Zone1 Why dont Jews believe Jesus is their messiah?

[luiza]

ALL are without excuse

Nobody here can think of one .
Four family and three employees .

 

[ding]

The Messianic age never came.
Christians like to say that he will do it in his return, but the messiah is supposed to human. Humans dont die, come back to life then ascend into the sky. Nor do they descend from the sky thousands of years later.
The tanach teaches that all prophecies must be filled before one is the messiah. Such as being in the tribe of judah. Jesus didnt have a human father, so how could that work? No temple. No worldwide peace. No universal knowledge of god.
Jesus supposedly did miraculous things according to the bible, but not one thing he did is recognized by the NoI for being the messiah.
So how was he the messiah? Did the jews get their own prophecies wrong?

Triggered much, TN?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I have asked that question on this forum and never gotten a serious reply (e.g., "we don't think about him"). Historically, he was real person who was born a Jew and who preached to Jewish people. He may not have conformed to the Jewish conception of a messiah, but was he also not a Jewish teacher, rabbi or prophet?

Is the claim that he was the Son of Man/God enough to oppose all of his teachings and/or deny his existence? What "conflicting data" do you have, and WHAT QUESTIONS ARE YOU ASKING?
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He challenges their traditions. Tradition triumps reality and reason

 

[Carl in Michigan]

. Jesus didnt have a human father, so how could that work?

Are you admitting He is the Son of God?

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus begs to differ:

Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

have you that written by their own hand - no you haven't because they had no reason to have said what it claims.

they taught self determination, liberation theology - not the lies of moses, their false commandments or abraham's hereditary idolatry, apartheid et al - judaism.

where is that written in their own hand they volunteered to have the jews crucify them ... 4th century christianity could not have those events any more dishonestly wrong than if they were to try even harder.

 

[The Irish Ram]

have you that written by their own hand - no you haven't because they had no reason to have said what it claims.

they taught self determination, liberation theology - not the lies of moses, their false commandments or abraham's hereditary idolatry, apartheid et al - judaism.

where is that written in their own hand they volunteered to have the jews crucify them ... 4th century christianity could not have those events any more dishonestly wrong than if they were to try even harder.

Do you have anything written by their own hand that says they volunteered to be crucified by Jews?? That Moses lied, or them being taught self-determination? Who taught them that? Do you have the specific lessons they were taught?

 

[BreezeWood]

Do you have anything written by their own hand that says they volunteered to be crucified by Jews?? That Moses lied, or them being taught self-determination? Who taught them that? Do you have the specific lessons they were taught?

are you nutz ...

“Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani"

provide the tablets claimed etched in the heavens by the liar moses with 10 commandments they destroyed themself before ever being read by anyone ...

passed down through the centuries the true events of the 1st century - self determination, liberation theology taught by jesus and those others that gave their lives for their beliefs is more compelling than the obvious forgeries and fallacies written in all three desert bibles ... as who are not sinners can barley weather the storm to read those distortions from within their bibles.

 

[EMH]

is the claim that he was the Son of Man/God enough to oppose all of his teachings and/or deny his existence? What "conflicting data" do you have, and WHAT QUESTIONS ARE YOU ASKING?

For the Jewish people, this guy was a seriously sick and evil con artist guilty of attempted mass murder by starvation.

He bilked people, stole their money, put them in huts where the weren't any different than slaves, and when he ran out of money, the "loaves and fishes" scene in the Bible, there is another chance to ask a question...

HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES ONE ANCIENT WICKER BASKET OF FISH FEED?

Answer 200 max...

he had 5k slaves... they were starving... and after the Roman/Judea govt rescued them and nailed Jesus to the cross, they were the ones cheering it, the "original Christians."


That's why Uzi Aron said by organizing Jewish youth in Israel for a mass Bible Burning that he was "purging evil."

 

[irosie91]

For the Jewish people, this guy was a seriously sick and evil con artist guilty of attempted mass murder by starvation.

He bilked people, stole their money, put them in huts where the weren't any different than slaves, and when he ran out of money, the "loaves and fishes" scene in the Bible, there is another chance to ask a question...

HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES ONE ANCIENT WICKER BASKET OF FISH FEED?

Answer 200 max...

he had 5k slaves... they were starving... and after the Roman/Judea govt rescued them and nailed Jesus to the cross, they were the ones cheering it, the "original Christians."


That's why Uzi Aron said by organizing Jewish youth in Israel for a mass Bible Burning that he was "purging evil."

^^^BS as to "bible burning" ----the unfortunate reality is that christians, in Israel (and in other resistant lands to the machinations of the "LETS CONVERT THE KIDS" Like India---OVER ZEALOUS missionaries actually do force their propaganda on children----Muslims have the answer---try that BS and you get INCINERATED (PS---I learned that fact from actual christian kids (army kids) in muslim lands---I did not learn it as a matter of "synagogue propaganda-----I do attend---a bit---on holidays-----and have never heard ---therein--the word---christian, muslim, Jesus, Mohammad ---etc etc etc

 

[shockedcanadian]

This has been covered before. There are prerequisites which must be met including the rebuilding of the temple, worldwide peace and the following of Judaism via the Torah of all Jews among these requirements.

We obviously have not achieved this today and the temple itself wasn't even destroyed yet I don't believe when Jesus was alive. This is one of the reasons the "second coming" mantra has been promoted but it betrays the Old Testament.

 

[theHawk]

The tanach teaches that all prophecies must be filled before one is the messiah

Where does it teach that?

 

[theHawk]

Jesus didnt have a human father, so how could that work? No temple. No worldwide peace. No universal knowledge of god

Jesus had a human mother, from the tribe of Judah.

Who claimed worldwide peace and universal knowledge would come in this age? The Messiah will bring it in the next Age.

 

[irosie91]

Jesus had a human mother, from the tribe of Judah.

Who claimed worldwide peace and universal knowledge would come in this age? The Messiah will bring it in the next Age.

"the next age...." ? in the twilight zone? So how does that make
him a "messiah"----Isaiah made the same claim----very poetically

 

[theHawk]

Did the jews get their own prophecies wrong?

Many Jews did believe in Jesus, they become the first Christians.

If you’ve read the Bible, you’d know that majority of Israel breaks faith with God and failed to follow his commandments time and time again. Why would it be any different with the Messiah? During the time of Moses, they witnessed God and the Angel of God (the Son) perform great miracles to get them out of Egypt and afterwords as well. Yet they still grumbled against Moses and complained. They still made a false idol at the footsteps of Mt. Sinai.

Is it really that hard to believe most Jews would not know God or understand the prophecies?


Jews today totally disregard the Tanakh and make up excuses for the many passages that clearly point to Jesus.

 

[theHawk]

"the next age...." ? in the twilight zone? So how does that make
him a "messiah"----Isaiah made the same claim----very poetically

Yes, after the second coming.

Fake Jews seem to believe the messiah will bring an everlasting kingdom ruled by a mere human being. How can a mortal king bring about such a thing?

 

[theHawk]

You are the type of christian that jews dislike.

Jews for the most part dislike real Christians, they only “like” fake Christians/pagans because they know their religion is just as false as theirs.

 

[irosie91]

Many Jews did believe in Jesus, they become the first Christians.

If you’ve read the Bible, you’d know that majority of Israel breaks faith with God and failed to follow his commandments time and time again. Why would it be any different with the Messiah? During the time of Moses, they witnessed God and the Angel of God (the Son) perform great miracles to get them out of Egypt and afterwords as well. Yet they still grumbled against Moses and complained. They still made a false idol at the footsteps of Mt. Sinai.

Is it really that hard to believe most Jews would not know God or understand the prophecies?


Jews today totally disregard the Tanakh and make up excuses for the many passages that clearly point to Jesus.

so true---many jews reject the Commandments---but christians remain faithful to their noble religion----as is demonstrated by
the Divinity student Josef Stalin and the Baptized in the catholic church, artist Adolf Hitler. Excuses for "disregarding"<<< quite a joke.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, after the second coming.

Fake Jews seem to believe the messiah will bring an everlasting kingdom ruled by a mere human being. How can a mortal king bring about such a thing?

If ever in a court of law----NEVAH SAY "HE SEEEMS TO BELIEVE....." your testimony will be disregarded and you will
be known as an idiot

 

[theHawk]

This has been covered before. There are prerequisites which must be met including the rebuilding of the temple, worldwide peace and the following of Judaism via the Torah of all Jews among these requirements.

We obviously have not achieved this today and the temple itself wasn't even destroyed yet I don't believe when Jesus was alive. This is one of the reasons the "second coming" mantra has been promoted but it betrays the Old Testament.

The temple was rebuilt in three days. Once Jesus was resurrected he and the Church are the new temple. It isn’t a temple of stone, it is the mystical body of Christ.

 

[theHawk]

so true---many jews reject the Commandments---but christians remain faithful to their noble religion----as is demonstrated by
the Divinity student Josef Stalin and the Baptized in the catholic church, artist Adolf Hitler. Excuses for "disregarding"<<< quite a joke.

Just because someone is baptized, doesn’t mean they remain faithful to the religion.