Zone1 Why doesn't god just kill satan

[Meriweather]

That is a good practice for everybody.

Yes. In our physical world, it is a good practice for everyone, yet keep an eye out. There are many needs that get overlooked.

No religion required.

Sorry, I didn't realize you wanted something based in religion. For the spiritual aspect, I recommend prayer and a sacrifice (giving or volunteer work) offered to God specifically for the spiritual needs of the person. Don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

 

[Meriweather]

Of course that's what your religion says. Still makes no sense

In the vernacular: Any which way we look at it, God has our backs when it comes to spiritual welfare. He will pay the ultimate price in our stead, for us.

 

[Meriweather]

And that’s the beauty of religion: it doesn’t need to make sense; just mindless following with no questions asked.

Lots of questions asked! What's yours?

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes, we have all heard that since childhood. The taketh away part is hard to understand, especially for a god that is supposed to be so compassionate and loving.

If He is true, and what He says is true, our temporary and sometimes (or often) painful time here is nothing but a vapor. That's first.

Second, since our time here is vapor anyway, the God who created us has a right, and the ultimate authority, to preserve and "take" life as He chooses.

Blessed be the Name of the Lord.

 

[BULLDOG]

I think I understand where you are starting. It is with the expectation that God should be interfering with the physical part of our existence. Look back over your own life and experiences. Has God ever made a physical change in your life?

My faith begins with God created us with body, mind, and spirit. He gifted this life to us. It is my responsibility to take care of the body and mind portion of this life. God is on hand to help with the spiritual aspect. God is not a genii of our physical life/jurisdiction.

Who, specifically, built the circumstances that led to the death of this child? Is the short answer, "People"? Was it a physical act that lead to her death? If so, can people change what is physical to prevent the physical killing of yet more children? The physical world is our jurisdiction.

The tuna casserole was your idea, and when tuna casserole is the most you have to offer, then yes, give your most.

As I have often said, I was a devout Christian for most of my life. I was even a deacon in a small church for a few years. Upon retirement, In an effort to become a better Christian, I made a deeper study into the Bible. In time, with great sadness I slowly realized most of what I had been taught since childhood just didn't withstand questioning. When consulting who I considered to be authorities, it always came down to "pray harder" and believe stories that couldn't possibly be true. The omnipotent loving forgiving god who created everything didn't hesitate to order the murder of large groups of innocent children. So many stories used to demonstrate god's strength and mercy turned out to be the actions of a mean petty god not worthy of worship. I enjoyed great comfort believing in a personal relationship with God's son who loved and cared about me. I miss that, and wish I could enjoy it again, but after reading what the Bible actually says, I can't.

 

[BULLDOG]

If He is true, and what He says is true, our temporary and sometimes (or often) painful time here is nothing but a vapor. That's first.

Second, since our time here is vapor anyway, the God who created us has a right, and the ultimate authority, to preserve and "take" life as He chooses.

Blessed be the Name of the Lord.

Right. An all knowing and omnipotent god created people he knew would not meet his requirements. Makes me think of a kid with a magnifying glass and a bunch of ants.

 

[BULLDOG]

In the vernacular: Any which way we look at it, God has our backs when it comes to spiritual welfare. He will pay the ultimate price in our stead, for us.

Seems he forgot to pay the price for all those kids at passover

 

[onefour1]

Before the foundation of this earth, we were all born as the children of God into immortal spirit bodies. That immortality meant that we would live forever and ever and never die. Among the children of our Father in Heaven was his Firstborn Son Jesus Christ. Another of the children of God was Lucifer who would later rebel against the Father and lose his standing among God and be cast out of heaven. Also among all the sons and daughter of God were those who chose to follow Lucifer and all of us who are born into this mortal life who chose to side with God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ in the war in heaven. Because our immortal spirits are immortal and can never die, God cannot kill or annihilate Lucifer and his followers. However, he does prepare a place where they will reside for all eternity and it will not be among the righteous.

 

[SweetSue92]

As I have often said, I was a devout Christian for most of my life. I was even a deacon in a small church for a few years. Upon retirement, In an effort to become a better Christian, I made a deeper study into the Bible. In time, with great sadness I slowly realized most of what I had been taught since childhood just didn't withstand questioning. When consulting who I considered to be authorities, it always came down to "pray harder" and believe stories that couldn't possibly be true. The omnipotent loving forgiving god who created everything didn't hesitate to order the murder of large groups of innocent children. So many stories used to demonstrate god's strength and mercy turned out to be the actions of a mean petty god not worthy of worship. I enjoyed great comfort believing in a personal relationship with God's son who loved and cared about me. I miss that, and wish I could enjoy it again, but after reading what the Bible actually says, I can't.

I'm sorry, you weren't a "devout Christian" if you didn't study the Bible WHILE you were a Christian.

 

[SweetSue92]

Seems he forgot to pay the price for all those kids at passover

But you support abortion. Right? Up to when, and under what circumstances?

 

[Meriweather]

As I have often said, I was a devout Christian for most of my life. I was even a deacon in a small church for a few years. Upon retirement, In an effort to become a better Christian, I made a deeper study into the Bible. In time, with great sadness I slowly realized most of what I had been taught since childhood just didn't withstand questioning. When consulting who I considered to be authorities, it always came down to "pray harder" and believe stories that couldn't possibly be true. The omnipotent loving forgiving god who created everything didn't hesitate to order the murder of large groups of innocent children. So many stories used to demonstrate god's strength and mercy turned out to be the actions of a mean petty god not worthy of worship. I enjoyed great comfort believing in a personal relationship with God's son who loved and cared about me. I miss that, and wish I could enjoy it again, but after reading what the Bible actually says, I can't.

Rabbis advise that the Bible is to be studied, not read. I was fortunate to have a man (atheist Jew) whose first language was Hebrew. This original language of the Bible (which introduced me to etymology) presents a different perspective than does the English.

Catholic Bible study introduced me to two more perspectives: Bible study as a group, and learning to read/study scripture, not from our point of view, but from God's point of view. As you have already put a lot of effort into reading and understanding the Bible, you may be through with trying it again. But if ever think you it might be interesting to try again, I recommend (online) Ascension Presents Bible in a Year with Father Mike Schmitz. Each day he spends less than a half hour reading the passage and then offering commentary.

I forget which early Church Father commented on the passage regarding the murder of children. He said all the Bible needed to be read through the lens of the final book of the Bible. Reading through the lens of Revelation, he pointed out God was nor ordering the murder of children. He was telling the people that one cannot keep a bit of sin in their lives just to play around with. (i.e., What is a little lie, a little cheating, a little adultery, missing worship/prayer every so often.) The lesson in the story is not to do away with children, but to do away with those small, seemingly "innocent" sins that we allow to enter and stay in our lives.

 

[Meriweather]

Right. An all knowing and omnipotent god created people he knew would not meet his requirements. Makes me think of a kid with a magnifying glass and a bunch of ants.

It was His people who wanted to know more, to know both good and evil. God wasn't in favor of this, but when mankind insisted, it was permitted--along with His promise He would help guide them through the choice that was made. Some call this God's Permissive Will, as opposed to God Ordained Will.

We believe that our life is not the beginning of the story of mankind, and with our death, it is not the end of our story. This life contains chapters, but our life continues after this, our physical, existence.

 

[citygator]

Duh. Because then Vance would be president.

I am here all week. Two shows on Mondays.

 

[Meriweather]

Seems he forgot to pay the price for all those kids at passover

Ah, the first born....Ever contemplate that the king (always the first born) was still alive after Passover? Then what was the author's intent for saying "first born"? Ever wonder about that?

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm sorry, you weren't a "devout Christian" if you didn't study the Bible WHILE you were a Christian.

But I did. I faithfully looked up all the scriptures that supported what the standard stories said and easily accepted the dogma as presented. Only after retirement, when time allowed, did I delve deeper into the wider stories of what was taught from the pulpit.

 

[BULLDOG]

Rabbis advise that the Bible is to be studied, not read. I was fortunate to have a man (atheist Jew) whose first language was Hebrew. This original language of the Bible (which introduced me to etymology) presents a different perspective than does the English.

Catholic Bible study introduced me to two more perspectives: Bible study as a group, and learning to read/study scripture, not from our point of view, but from God's point of view. As you have already put a lot of effort into reading and understanding the Bible, you may be through with trying it again. But if ever think you it might be interesting to try again, I recommend (online) Ascension Presents Bible in a Year with Father Mike Schmitz. Each day he spends less than a half hour reading the passage and then offering commentary.

I forget which early Church Father commented on the passage regarding the murder of children. He said all the Bible needed to be read through the lens of the final book of the Bible. Reading through the lens of Revelation, he pointed out God was nor ordering the murder of children. He was telling the people that one cannot keep a bit of sin in their lives just to play around with. (i.e., What is a little lie, a little cheating, a little adultery, missing worship/prayer every so often.) The lesson in the story is not to do away with children, but to do away with those small, seemingly "innocent" sins that we allow to enter and stay in our lives.

Nope. It was the kids that were killed.

 

[BULLDOG]

It was His people who wanted to know more, to know both good and evil. God wasn't in favor of this, but when mankind insisted, it was permitted--along with His promise He would help guide them through the choice that was made. Some call this God's Permissive Will, as opposed to God Ordained Will.

We believe that our life is not the beginning of the story of mankind, and with our death, it is not the end of our story. This life contains chapters, but our life continues after this, our physical, existence.

So is god omnipotent or not? If he is, he knew some would not live up to his demands, so he created people destined to suffer. That's not loving or forgiving. If he is not omnipotent, he's not really god anyway.

 

[BULLDOG]

Ah, the first born....Ever contemplate that the king (always the first born) was still alive after Passover? Then what was the author's intent for saying "first born"? Ever wonder about that?

Nope. The curse was the death of the first born, and that's who died. You'll note that the dead kids were too young to have understood any of it any way. Are we back to believing the parts we like, and saying the rest is just symbolism?

 

[GLASNOST]

Why doesn't god just kill satan​

For the same reason that Pokémon doesn't kill Sponge Bob.

 

[Meriweather]

So is god omnipotent or not? If he is, he knew some would not live up to his demands, so he created people destined to suffer. That's not loving or forgiving. If he is not omnipotent, he's not really god anyway.

Definition of Omnipotent: Knowing all there is to know when it is available to know.

And rather than suffering, it is preferable to be wrapped in cotton batting and placed safely on a shelf? Or....How about God being with us through our suffering? Which would you choose?