Zone1 Why doesn't god just kill satan

[ding]

Reality provides evidence that dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms to spook their friends, etc.

That's why it was a really big deal when Jesus did it and why the first Christians worshipped him as God.

 

[ding]

So you don't believe in what scripture teaches even though you profess to believe in what scripture teaches.

Got it!

I don't believe in what you think it teaches. Your only use for it is to disingenuously twist it into weapons to attack Christians. Because that's what religious nutjobs do.

 

[Donald H]

That's not what I said. What I said is the only way that the eyewitness accounts of seeing Jesus after his death could possibly be true is if they were eyewitness accounts of what was seen and heard in dreams, dreams and visions, altered states, being the medium through which God communicates with people. Seeing Jesus in dreams is what convinced the disciples that Jesus survived death and in the realm of God. The reward of the righteous.

Reality provides evidence that dead people do not pop into and out of locked rooms to spook their friends, etc.

See the link I posted in #355. Penrose even had their Vatican agreeing with him on the universe before Ding's BB.

He's going to have to deal with his Christian fantasies getting up his ass and going off with a miniature BB!

 

[toobfreak]

It means you have been weighed, measured and shown yourself to be lacking.

You know Ding, I like you. In the past, I've generally agreed with most everything you said and supported it. But I've also seen you time and again get stuck in these long arguments with people over trivial things, now I understand why. I used to think you were the one being picked on, but now I realize you just have an unmet need to always think you are right about everything and need to get the last word in every argument no matter how banal.

 

[ding]

You know Ding, I like you. In the past, I've generally agreed with most everything you said and supported it. But I've also seen you time and again get stuck in these long arguments with people over trivial things, now I understand why. I used to think you were the one being picked on, but now I realize you just have an unmet need to always think you are right about everything and to get the last word in every argument no matter how banal.

It's just science. It's not about me. I backed up everything I wrote with high quality links. You scoffed at the University of Oregon's webpage on the Big Bang. Which quite honestly shocked me as it's the most comprehensive and concise explanation I have found.

 

[Donald H]

You know Ding, I like you. In the past, I've generally agreed with most everything you said and supported it. But I've also seen you time and again get stuck in these long arguments with people over trivial things, now I understand why. I used to think you were the one being picked on, but now I realize you just have an unmet need to always think you are right about everything and need to get the last word in every argument no matter how banal.

Mr. Ding is about to change his attitude.

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That which he held as his last 'literally true' belief is being blown up in his face.

Wiser and less careless Christians can now hold their fire and wait for the official C.C. version of their beliefs, instead of acting like fools by trying to invent their own!

Even buttercup safely escapes ridicule if she chooses wisely!

 

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Mr. Ding is about to change his attitude.

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That which he held as his last 'literally true' belief is being blown up in his face.

Wiser and less careless Christians can now hold their fire and wait for the official C.C. version of their beliefs, instead of acting like fools by trying to invent their own!

Even buttercup safely escapes ridicule if she chooses wisely!

You're tilting at windmills, Don.

 

[toobfreak]

It's just science.

Science theory.

I backed up everything I wrote with high quality links.

I guess it is all relative.

You scoffed at the University of Oregon's webpage on the Big Bang. Which quite honestly shocked me as it's the most comprehensive and concise explanation I have found.

Back in the 1980s, I used to buy hard-copies of the annual Einstein Symposiums on GUTs. They discussed in detail the latest thinking on things like quantum chromodynamics and quark confinement theories.

I didn't scoff at anything, I have just never heard anyone hold up Oregon as a center for great scientific thinking and advancement before. But the fact remains that in the early universe, pressure and temperature were way too great to allow the formation of composite elemental particles or the free radiation of energy like light, etc., and your chart shows that.

 

[hobelim]

I don't believe in what you think it teaches.

So you don't believe that Jesus raised the spiritually dead by teaching them with WORDS the only right way to understand and comply with Divine Law that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the realm of God here and now on earth, but instead think Jesus raised the physically dead with a few WORDS?

Okey dokey. How's that working out for you?


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

 

[ding]

Science theory.


I guess it is all relative.


Back in the 1980s, I used to buy hard-copies of the annual Einstein Symposiums on GUTs. They discussed in detail the latest thinking on things like quantum chromodynamics and quark confinement theories.

I didn't scoff at anything, I have just never heard anyone hold up Oregon as a center for great scientific thinking and advancement before. But the fact remains that in the early universe, pressure and temperature were way too great to allow the formation of composite elemental particles or the free radiation of energy like light, etc., and your chart shows that.

Like I said before, when you can come up with an explanation for the universe popping into existence some other way than paired particle production and can explain the massive amount of radiation left behind, I'm all ears.

 

[ding]

So you don't believe that Jesus raised the spiritually dead by teaching them with WORDS the only right way to understand and comply with Divine Law that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the realm of God here and now on earth, but instead think Jesus raised the physically dead with a few WORDS?

Okey dokey. How's that working out for you?


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."

That is correct. I do not believe Jesus just did that. He did much much more. You are leaving out pretty much everything Jesus did.

 

[toobfreak]

Like I said before, when you can come up with an explanation for the universe popping into existence some other way than paired particle production and can explain the massive amount of radiation left behind, I'm all ears.

Paired particles or not, either way, explaining what triggered/drove the Big Bang into creating our universe is one of the great, unanswered questions sought in the history of mankind.

 

[ding]

Paired particles or not, either way, explaining what triggered/drove the Big Bang into creating our universe is one of the great, unanswered questions sought in the history of mankind.

Sure, and the answer to that question is in realm of philosophy. The best science can tell us is that the creation of the universe was according to the law of conservation and quantum mechanics.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

Sure, and the answer to that question is in realm of philosophy. The best science can tell us is that the creation of the universe was according to the law of conservation and quantum mechanics.

It is really what is more answerable with use of logic, but that is getting dismissed by many who do not want any answer acknowledged. There is necessary existence, that must be, and this is why there is any existence at all, the necessary existence bringing any other existence into being, the necessary existence always existing and existing everywhere and having no limit, being necessary, which necessary existence is. If this were not so, nothing would exist. Particles and anti-particles coming into existence which is offered as an explanation is not from nothing, something that can have that would be existing then, not being nothing. And necessary existence would be greater than that. There is more that can be said about necessary existence, but the logic would leave those behind that cannot follow it this far.

 

[forkintheroad7]

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It doesn't make sense to me. Just seems like a way to instill fear.

I've actually asked God this kind of question.

I think he uses the devil to test people, to see if they really, really believe Jesus' Words.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Once again, the age-old question of why God allows continued suffering.

That is the real question here.

Jesus suffered and according to Padre Pio (who was not a protestant so you probably won't listen to this) He still suffers and will continue to do so until the end of the world. It's hard to believe but a scripture says

"If we suffer with Him, we will reign with Him"

Most people don't think we will suffer with Him (as this scripture says) because He is not suffering anymore. But He appeared to Padre Pio and told him the above, that his sufferings didn't end at the Resurrection. Pio also said something to the effect that there is no getting to Heaven w/o suffering.

Do I fully understand WHY?

Absolutely not. But we cannot argue with God... We can but it won't do us any good

 

[forkintheroad7]

Maybe God doesn't kill Satan because Christians don't normally pray for that?

 

[JGalt]

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It doesn't make sense to me. Just seems like a way to instill fear.

Maybe He's amused by Satan. Or more likely, God is using the Devil to show what a magnificent God he is.

Whatever the case, Satan and those 1/3 of the angels who followed him in the war against heaven, are going to wish they could die, when Judgement Day comes. I've heard tell there are worse things than death.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Maybe He's amused by Satan. Or more likely, God is using the Devil to show what a magnificent God he is.

Whatever the case, Satan and those 1/3 of the angels who followed him in the war against heaven, are going to wish they could die, when Judgement Day comes. I've heard tell there are worse things than death.

That's exactly it. . worse things than death.

I have no idea why God puts up with that arch fiend other than maybe since He (in Jesus) suffered so much (continues to suffer, I've heard) we should suffer also? I don't know..

I get the thought:

If we could understand God, he wouldn't be God..
The Book of Job addresses this issue. Job was "upright" and the devil said to God "Is Job upright for no reason? You have blessed him. But take away theblessings and he will curse you to Your face"

And God actually listened to that malicious stuff and allowed Satan to attack him, take things from him, even his children.

And in the end, all God did was ask Job "Where were you when I [created the world, etc]?" In other words: Don't question Me (?)

There's really no other "explanation" givenby God.. so I guess it's supposed to remain a mystery. Then again, maybe Job had hidden sins he wasn't aware of and God wanted him to become aware that he wasn't as upright as he thought? God knows..

 

[onefour1]

Before the foundation of this earth, we were all born as the children of God into immortal spirit bodies. That immortality meant that we would live forever and ever and never die. Among the children of our Father in Heaven was his Firstborn Son Jesus Christ. Another of the children of God was Lucifer who would later rebel against the Father and lose his standing among God and be cast out of heaven. Also among all the sons and daughter of God were those who chose to follow Lucifer and all of us who are born into this mortal life who chose to side with God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ in the war in heaven. Because our immortal spirits are immortal and can never die, God cannot kill or annihilate Lucifer and his followers. However, he does prepare a place where they will reside for all eternity and it will not be among the righteous.

Not to mention that our intelligences are self-existing and were not created or made and neither indeed can be.

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

In the beginning God took the intelligences of mankind and through the process of procreation gave birth to our spirits which are a combination of our intelligence and a more fine degree of element or matter.

Doctrine and Covenants 131:7-8
7 There is no such thing as immaterial matter. All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure, and can only be discerned by purer eyes;
8 We cannot see it; but when our bodies are purified we shall see that it is all matter.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

So Satan and his minions have a self-existing intelligence as well that was not created or made and neither indeed can be. Thus they have always existed the same as you and I and all the children of God the Father.