Zone1 Why Does God Allow Us to Suffer?

[Hellbilly]

Then your belief is that no one is born with the capacity to error, we are all born perfect human beings who will never make a mistake?

My opinion is you are not a sinner if you haven't actually sinned.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No person is without sin.

We all fall into that category.

There is no such thing as sin. It's a childish, magical concept we invented in a more primitive time.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How can a baby be born with sin if they have literally never done anything?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

We suffer because we are human and this isn't heaven. If we did not know suffering would would not experience joy or pleasure.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We suffer because we are human and this isn't heaven. If we did not know suffering would would not experience joy or pleasure.

Gross.

 

[Meriweather]

My opinion is you are not a sinner if you haven't actually sinned.

So what's wrong with that?

 

[Hellbilly]

So what's wrong with that?

If you have never sinned, you are not a sinner but we are expected to believe everyone is born a sinner. How does that make sense?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Gross.

Actually, if human beings did not have real suffering, minor disappointments would become suffering.

 

[Meriweather]

If you have never sinned, you are not a sinner but we are expected to believe everyone is born a sinner. How does that make sense?

How does it make sense a baby is born with the standard human nature? I'll call it years of observation.

We had 25 years of parakeets with some new hatchlings over this time. While none could fly the day they were born, it wasn't surprising that in several days they all managed to sprout feathers and fly.

I've had even more than that amount of time with newborns maturing. All of them reached the day where they did things they knew they were not supposed to be doing.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Actually, if human beings did not have real suffering, minor disappointments would become suffering.

First world problems. Most of us have life so good we create our own problems

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

First world problems. Most of us have life so good we create our own problems

Like trannies in bathrooms and other people getting abortions.

 

[1miseryindex]

If you have never sinned, you are not a sinner but we are expected to believe everyone is born a sinner. How does that make sense?

Jesus said if you say you are not a sinner, you are a liar

 

[ABikerSailor]

Jesus said if you say you are not a sinner, you are a liar

Can you quote the verse that specifically says that?

 

[Hellbilly]

Jesus said if you say you are not a sinner, you are a liar

Can you or white jesus tell me 1 sin a newborn baby has committed? Just 1.

 

[Meriweather]

Can you or white jesus tell me 1 sin a newborn baby has committed? Just 1.

You seem to think a newborn has. Why? What sin are you saying they committed? And, no, the back labor my eldest caused me was not a sin on her part. No matter how much it hurt me.

 

[Hellbilly]

You seem to think a newborn has. Why? What sin are you saying they committed? And, no, the back labor my eldest caused me was not a sin on her part. No matter how much it hurt me.

I don't. Newborn babies cant commit sin.

Except for Jesus Christ. He was the only person born without sin.

She does.

 

[Meriweather]

I don't. Newborn babies cant commit sin.

As far as I know, no one argues that babies sin. That would be personal sin. A personal sin is when one knows what they are about to do is wrong, and makes the decision to do wrong with full consent of his/her will.

Are you wondering about what is known as Original Sin, or the Fall of Man, in choosing disobedience over obedience, and choosing to know both good and evil? We are all born with that desire, to do what we want over what is the greater good.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You seem to think a newborn has.

No he doesn't. He clearly thinks a newborn has not committed sin.

You should try to be more honest.

 

[Meriweather]

No he doesn't. He clearly thinks a newborn has not committed sin.

He is arguing against such a thing, which indicates he thinks that it's even possible. Think about it. Do you argue against not being able to tear toilet paper? I thought you had the ability to make that leap in logic?