Why does evil exist?

[Ringtone]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

 

[Hollie]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

 

[Ringtone]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

Hollie

 

[Hollie]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

Hollie

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Yes. Spam the thread with the same cut and paste cartoons you littered in other threads. It's the fall-back position for angry, self-hating religious zealots.

I didn't expect you would be capable of stringing words into coherent sentences.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

What makes us different than animals is our freewill and conscience
But, control freaks without a conscience want to take away our freewill.

 

[ding]

What makes us different than animals is our freewill and conscience
But, control freaks without a conscience want to take away our freewill.

They want uniformity.

 

[Ringtone]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

Hollie

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Yes. Spam the thread with the same cut and paste cartoons you littered in other threads. It's the fall-back position for angry, self-hating religious zealots.

I didn't expect you would be capable of stringing words into coherent sentences.

Oh, the irony. LOL!

 

[Hollie]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

Hollie

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Yes. Spam the thread with the same cut and paste cartoons you littered in other threads. It's the fall-back position for angry, self-hating religious zealots.

I didn't expect you would be capable of stringing words into coherent sentences.

Oh, the irony. LOL!

Oh, the cowering. LOL!

 

[alang1216]

Why does god allow evil? because humans choose it.

I think the concepts of good and evil are too simplistic to be of use. I don't know anyone who was completely good or evil. Hitler loved the German people and did what he did for them. To his victims he was evil but if he had won the war Germany would have benefited greatly and he probably be viewed as a savior. I'm in no way defending what he did, just using him to explore the extremes. MLK is viewed as a great liberator of Blacks, a good thing, but the Southern Whites of his day viewed him as a destroyer of their way of life.

This world is not black and white, it is a rainbow.

So there's no moral absolute except the absolute that there's no moral absolute?! You unwittingly made an inherently contradictory, indeed, self-negating assertion, essentially proving that the opposite, i.e., that the positive, is true. Relativism is rank irrationality. The essence of evil—the essence of all sin— is irrationality.

I don't know of any place in the universe where the fundamental laws of physics don't apply. Those are absolutes. Morality is just the opposite as there are likely no two places where morality is exactly the same. Even in the US we have Red and Blue states.

You can construct your semantic Mobius Strip but that is just an example of irrationality.

 

[alang1216]

What makes us different than animals is our freewill and conscience
But, control freaks without a conscience want to take away our freewill.

Do we really have free will? How many behaviors do we see that run in families? Even in twins separated at birth? Free will is a simple concept but reality is not so simple.

 

[gipper]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

Evil exists because it is the default position of man. The religious will contest this point of view, by claiming how could God create evil? My answer is I don’t know, but it’s pretty obvious man is naturally evil.

 

[Anomalism]

Evil exists because it is the direct opposite of good. If God never told us, "thou shalt not kill", would we know that killing is evil?

It seems like God didn't make a lot of exceptions with this statement. Who are we to decide when it's okay to kill?

 

[harmonica]

Why does god allow evil? because humans choose it.

.... there is not total free will--they don't choose it--we've had threads on this
---if everyone has total free will, how came in 85% of murders, it is males that '''''choose''' to do it???? we know why, it's physiological......
..how come blacks ''''''choose''' to commit murder at four times the rate? rape at twice the rate?
..it's just humans being humans ---it's not evil or good

 

[harmonica]

Evil exists because it is the direct opposite of good. If God never told us, "thou shalt not kill", would we know that killing is evil? Without the law given to us by God, would we know what is right or wrong? Simply by giving us the law of what is good, the opposite then exists. By nature, there is opposition in all things. Once you define what is good, it then has its opposite. The principle of evil exists whenever goodness exists. Whether we choose to do good or evil is left up to us of our own free will. Without defining good, you would not have evil. Simply defining what is good has its opposite. God could never establish goodness without its opposite existing also. So, in principle, you cannot have goodness without its opposite also existing, at least in principle. Free will allows each of us to choose between good and evil. If everyone chose goodness over evil, there would be no evil in the world but the principle would still exist. God wants us all to know the difference between good and evil and wants us all to learn to choose the good over the evil. If man chooses good over evil of his own free will, then the man's character becomes good. He becomes a good being in and of himself. If a person is forced to become good, then is he/she really a good person in and of him/her self? No! For this reason are we given free will so that we can truly become good beings of our free will and choice. For this reason God places us in a temporary existence with free will to choose good or evil of our own personal desire. Free will is an eternal principle of heaven and earth. Evil only exists because it is the opposite of good and because some choose with their free will to follow evil instead of good. The only way to rid ourselves of the principle of evil is to destroy goodness itself. However, if mankind were to choose only good, then evil would have very little if any consequence even though the principle (opposite) still exists.

..there is no god--we've been over this a million times
see post # 33

 

[Blues Man]

Why does god allow evil? because humans choose it.

Evil is an adjective not a noun.

 

[Ringtone]

As definitions of good / evil, right / wrong vary with time and cultures, it suggests that the various gods need to unionize so we mere humans can have a consistent policy.

And yet you follow a moral code. Go figure.

Precisely! Zoom Right over their heads.

As usual, the hyper-religious are utterly befuddled. Morals and ethics touted by the hyper-religious xtians are said to be the result of the xtian gods (an utterly untrue assertion with reams of evidence against it), which is then touted as the wondrous panacea that solves all the world's ills and makes all those who believe people deserving of eternal paradise. What they want to avoid is the undercurrent of fear and arrogance used to justify their appalling behavior. There is no more evil villain in all of literature than the gods xtianity from the Hebrews.

The hyper-religious should consider that before making any case that their stolen xtian gods proscribed any morals to humanity, they might want to first make a rational case for the existence of their gods.

Morality is both transitory and fully natural in its source. Take gods away tomorrow and humans would behave pretty much like they do with their various gods in place. We are a mixture of selfishness and cooperation and it serves us pretty well. Most people do behave morally, often in spite of the teachings of their gods.

Evil exists because it is the default position of man. The religious will contest this point of view, by claiming how could God create evil? My answer is I don’t know, but it’s pretty obvious man is naturally evil.

Evil existed before man chose evil, i.e., chose disobedience over God. From that moment on it became "the default position of man", the essence of his fallen nature. God did not create evil; rather, he created beings of free will capable of choosing disobedience.

 

[Ringtone]

Why does god allow evil? because humans choose it.

I think the concepts of good and evil are too simplistic to be of use. I don't know anyone who was completely good or evil. Hitler loved the German people and did what he did for them. To his victims he was evil but if he had won the war Germany would have benefited greatly and he probably be viewed as a savior. I'm in no way defending what he did, just using him to explore the extremes. MLK is viewed as a great liberator of Blacks, a good thing, but the Southern Whites of his day viewed him as a destroyer of their way of life.

This world is not black and white, it is a rainbow.

So there's no moral absolute except the absolute that there's no moral absolute?! You unwittingly made an inherently contradictory, indeed, self-negating assertion, essentially proving that the opposite, i.e., that the positive, is true. Relativism is rank irrationality. The essence of evil—the essence of all sin— is irrationality.

I don't know of any place in the universe where the fundamental laws of physics don't apply. Those are absolutes. Morality is just the opposite as there are likely no two places where morality is exactly the same. Even in the US we have Red and Blue states.

You can construct your semantic Mobius Strip but that is just an example of irrationality.

Nonsense. The imperatives of logic and, therefore, natural law, i.e., the imperatives of the Golden Rule, are universally understood. Your prattle is the stuff of rank irrationality and sociopathology, but, then, even the sociopath understands the principle of fight or flee.

 

[Ringtone]

Evil exists because it is the direct opposite of good. If God never told us, "thou shalt not kill", would we know that killing is evil? Without the law given to us by God, would we know what is right or wrong? Simply by giving us the law of what is good, the opposite then exists. By nature, there is opposition in all things. Once you define what is good, it then has its opposite. The principle of evil exists whenever goodness exists. Whether we choose to do good or evil is left up to us of our own free will. Without defining good, you would not have evil. Simply defining what is good has its opposite. God could never establish goodness without its opposite existing also. So, in principle, you cannot have goodness without its opposite also existing, at least in principle. Free will allows each of us to choose between good and evil. If everyone chose goodness over evil, there would be no evil in the world but the principle would still exist. God wants us all to know the difference between good and evil and wants us all to learn to choose the good over the evil. If man chooses good over evil of his own free will, then the man's character becomes good. He becomes a good being in and of himself. If a person is forced to become good, then is he/she really a good person in and of him/her self? No! For this reason are we given free will so that we can truly become good beings of our free will and choice. For this reason God places us in a temporary existence with free will to choose good or evil of our own personal desire. Free will is an eternal principle of heaven and earth. Evil only exists because it is the opposite of good and because some choose with their free will to follow evil instead of good. The only way to rid ourselves of the principle of evil is to destroy goodness itself. However, if mankind were to choose only good, then evil would have very little if any consequence even though the principle (opposite) still exists.

..there is no god--we've been over this a million times
see post # 33

And yet you unwitting claim to be God, to know all things. Zoom The inherent contradiction, the inherent negation of your contention and the ramifications thereof, fly right over your head. It is not possible to rationally deny God's existence flatout.

 

[harmonica]

Evil exists because it is the direct opposite of good. If God never told us, "thou shalt not kill", would we know that killing is evil? Without the law given to us by God, would we know what is right or wrong? Simply by giving us the law of what is good, the opposite then exists. By nature, there is opposition in all things. Once you define what is good, it then has its opposite. The principle of evil exists whenever goodness exists. Whether we choose to do good or evil is left up to us of our own free will. Without defining good, you would not have evil. Simply defining what is good has its opposite. God could never establish goodness without its opposite existing also. So, in principle, you cannot have goodness without its opposite also existing, at least in principle. Free will allows each of us to choose between good and evil. If everyone chose goodness over evil, there would be no evil in the world but the principle would still exist. God wants us all to know the difference between good and evil and wants us all to learn to choose the good over the evil. If man chooses good over evil of his own free will, then the man's character becomes good. He becomes a good being in and of himself. If a person is forced to become good, then is he/she really a good person in and of him/her self? No! For this reason are we given free will so that we can truly become good beings of our free will and choice. For this reason God places us in a temporary existence with free will to choose good or evil of our own personal desire. Free will is an eternal principle of heaven and earth. Evil only exists because it is the opposite of good and because some choose with their free will to follow evil instead of good. The only way to rid ourselves of the principle of evil is to destroy goodness itself. However, if mankind were to choose only good, then evil would have very little if any consequence even though the principle (opposite) still exists.

..there is no god--we've been over this a million times
see post # 33

And yet you unwitting claim to be God, to know all things. Zoom The inherent contradiction, the inherent negation of your contention and the ramifications thereof, fly right over your head. It is not possible to rationally deny God's existence flatout.

1. pure double talk babble from you
2.your post is not proof of god--which adds proof to my post

 

[harmonica]

Evil exists because it is the direct opposite of good. If God never told us, "thou shalt not kill", would we know that killing is evil? Without the law given to us by God, would we know what is right or wrong? Simply by giving us the law of what is good, the opposite then exists. By nature, there is opposition in all things. Once you define what is good, it then has its opposite. The principle of evil exists whenever goodness exists. Whether we choose to do good or evil is left up to us of our own free will. Without defining good, you would not have evil. Simply defining what is good has its opposite. God could never establish goodness without its opposite existing also. So, in principle, you cannot have goodness without its opposite also existing, at least in principle. Free will allows each of us to choose between good and evil. If everyone chose goodness over evil, there would be no evil in the world but the principle would still exist. God wants us all to know the difference between good and evil and wants us all to learn to choose the good over the evil. If man chooses good over evil of his own free will, then the man's character becomes good. He becomes a good being in and of himself. If a person is forced to become good, then is he/she really a good person in and of him/her self? No! For this reason are we given free will so that we can truly become good beings of our free will and choice. For this reason God places us in a temporary existence with free will to choose good or evil of our own personal desire. Free will is an eternal principle of heaven and earth. Evil only exists because it is the opposite of good and because some choose with their free will to follow evil instead of good. The only way to rid ourselves of the principle of evil is to destroy goodness itself. However, if mankind were to choose only good, then evil would have very little if any consequence even though the principle (opposite) still exists.

..there is no god--we've been over this a million times
see post # 33

And yet you unwitting claim to be God, to know all things. Zoom The inherent contradiction, the inherent negation of your contention and the ramifications thereof, fly right over your head. It is not possible to rationally deny God's existence flatout.

you people claim there is a god --but can't prove it...so you believe in something that can't be proved --THAT'S irrational and ridiculous