Zone1 Why does anything matter?

We are speaking about all that is real: Body, mind, spirit. Leaving spirit out of existence is leaving out a large portion of reality. There is no reality in zombies, unicorns, or Pegasus. Look it up.
Mind and body I understand. What you mean by 'spirit' I'm not sure.

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noun

spir·it ˈspir-ət

Synonyms of spirit
1
: an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms

2
: a supernatural being or essence: such as
a
Spirit : holy spirit
b
: soul sense 2
c
: an often malevolent being that is bodiless but can become visible
specifically : ghost sense 2
d
: a malevolent being that enters and possesses a human being

3
: temper or disposition of mind or outlook especially when vigorous or animated
in high spirits


4
: the immaterial intelligent or sentient part of a person

5
a
: the activating or essential principle influencing a person
acted in a spirit of helpfulness

b
: an inclination, impulse, or tendency of a specified kind : mood

6
a
: a special attitude or frame of mind
… the money-making spirit was for a time driven back …—J. A. Froude

b
: the feeling, quality, or disposition characterizing something
undertaken in a spirit of fun


7
: a lively or brisk quality in a person or a person's actions

8
: a person having a character or disposition of a specified nature

9
: a mental disposition characterized by firmness or assertiveness
denied the charge with spirit
 


Aside from God, what does anything matter?

Go!!


I reckon because some of that shit will kill ya, bub. And besides that, there is no god/s. It is all manmade gobbledygook.

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Asking questions is great but seeking evidence is how you discover anything new.
Not if your mind is closed to it. My perception of God isn't as crazy as yours is but your mind is still closed to it. If I say the world is made of mind stuff you think that's crazy, but "it from bit" is essentially saying the same thing.
 
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What you mean by 'spirit' I'm not sure.
I can't help butting in.

Spirit and incorporeal are deeply related concepts where incorporeal describes the state of lacking a physical body, and spirit refers to the non-physical essence, soul, or being that possesses this incorporeal nature, forming a fundamental part of many beliefs about existence beyond the material world. Essentially, spirits are incorporeal, existing as immaterial entities, like ghosts, divine beings, or the non-physical part of humans, distinct from tangible matter but capable of presence and influence.

Key Connections:
  • Incorporeal: Means "not made of body," from Latin roots meaning "not" (in-) and "body" (corpus). It's a state of being bodiless or immaterial.
  • Spirit:Refers to that which is incorporeal, such as:
    • The Soul/Human Essence: The part of a person that survives death, existing as a conscious entity.
    • Divine Beings: God, angels, or other deities often described as incorporeal spirits.
    • Supernatural Entities: Ghosts, elementals, or other non-physical beings in fantasy and religion.
How They Work Together:
  • Defining Quality: Incorporeality is the characteristic (no body) that defines a spirit.
  • Dualistic Worlds: Many philosophies describe a dual cosmos: a physical (corporeal) world and a spiritual (incorporeal) world, with spirits inhabiting the latter.
  • Perception: We use physical senses for the corporeal world, but spirits in the incorporeal world are perceived through spiritual senses or influence rather than touch or sight.
In essence, a spirit is an incorporeal being, making "incorporeal" the descriptive term for the nature of "spirit".

Most of the things that give meaning to one's life are of the incorporeal and not the corporeal. It isn't the material aspect of your wife and children that you love. It's their spirit that you love. The "thing" that makes them who they are. You think that dies when their material bodies die. I think information lives on, but then again I think everything is information and we exist in the mind of God who is existence itself.
 
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Mind and body I understand. What you mean by 'spirit' I'm not sure.
Hebrew etymology is the only definition that matters when speaking of body, mind, spirit. In Hebrew, 'spirit' is connected to life force, and teaches that God breathed his spirit (life force) into mankind. In Hebrew, 'spirit' is an invisible moving force (analogy, wind) connected to the divine.
 
Hebrew etymology is the only definition that matters when speaking of body, mind, spirit. In Hebrew, 'spirit' is connected to life force, and teaches that God breathed his spirit (life force) into mankind. In Hebrew, 'spirit' is an invisible moving force (analogy, wind) connected to the divine.
It's hard for me to accept that people who didn't know why it rained or what stars were could know more about the universe than I do. Color me unconvinced.
 
It's hard for me to accept that people who didn't know why it rained or what stars were could know more about the universe than I do. Color me unconvinced.
Yet ancient man knew how to build pyramids and we haven't a clue of how they did it. Toothpaste, which we still use today, was first created by ancient man, as were locks, keys, paper, pens, etc. Wisdom books, older than the Bible, came out of Sumeria, Egypt, India--and are still practical and enjoyed today. Has our own wisdom increased since those times?
 
Yet ancient man knew how to build pyramids and we haven't a clue of how they did it. Toothpaste, which we still use today, was first created by ancient man, as were locks, keys, paper, pens, etc. Wisdom books, older than the Bible, came out of Sumeria, Egypt, India--and are still practical and enjoyed today. Has our own wisdom increased since those times?
Knowledge has increased exponentially. Intelligence remains the same. Wisdom is the product of knowledge and intelligence, so yes, our own wisdom increased since those times.

While the construction of the Egyptian pyramids—specifically the Great Pyramid of Giza—is one of history's most enduring puzzles, it is inaccurate to say we have "no clue" how they were built. Modern archaeology, experimental archaeology, and recent discoveries have provided, if not a complete, step-by-step blueprint, a very strong, scientifically supported understanding of the techniques and logistics.
Here is what is currently known, according to archaeological and historical evidence:

1. The Workforce and Organization
  • Not Slaves: Evidence indicates the pyramids were built by a massive, well-organized workforce of skilled, paid laborers (not slaves) who camped near the construction site.
  • Seasonal Labor: Many were farmers who worked on the pyramids during the Nile’s annual flood, which made agricultural work impossible, and likely acted as a form of labor tax.
  • Infrastructure: Archaeological digs have uncovered worker villages complete with bakeries, breweries, and medical facilities, showing that the workers were well-nourished and cared for.

2. Transporting the Materials
  • The Nile River: The Nile was the primary, vital, and most efficient route for transporting limestone from Tura (for the casing) and granite from Aswan.
  • Canals: Recent radar technology discovered that a 64km-long, now-buried branch of the Nile (the Ahramat Branch) once ran directly alongside 31 pyramids, making transport easier than previously thought.
  • Sleds and Wet Sand: Workers moved the 2.5-ton blocks on wooden sledges. To reduce friction, they poured water (or oil) onto the sand in front of the sledges, making it significantly easier to pull.
3. Lifting the Stones
  • Ramp Systems: The most widely accepted theory is that ramps made of mud-brick, rubble, and limestone debris were used to haul the stones. These may have been straight, zig-zagging, or spiral, built up as the structure grew.
  • Internal Ramps: A more recent theory suggests that while outer ramps were used for the lower levels, an internal ramp system may have been used to reach the highest points.
  • Levering and Counterweights: As the pyramid grew higher, laborers likely used wooden levers, shadoof-style lifts (a type of counterweight system), and rollers to maneuver the blocks.
  • Recent Discoveries: In 2018, a 4,500-year-old ramp system with a very steep slope was found at an alabaster quarry, providing evidence that Egyptians were capable of using steep, engineered ramps for lifting.
4. Precision and Surveying
  • Alignment: The pyramids are oriented almost perfectly north-south. This was likely achieved by studying the motion of stars, using tools like the merkhet (a "tool of knowing") and the bay (a sighting tool).
  • Leveling: To create a perfectly level base, they likely used water-filled trenches to map a grid, or used wooden A-shaped plumb levels to check for horizontal accuracy.
  • Copper Tools: They used copper chisels, drills, and saws, often with abrasive sand, to cut the relatively soft limestone.
Why the "Mystery" Persists
The reason this is often considered a "mystery" is because the Egyptians intentionally left no written records of the construction process, likely to protect the secrets of their "god-kings."
However, the "no clue" narrative is usually promoted by pseudoscientific theories (like "ancient aliens"). In reality, archaeologists have successfully replicated many of these techniques using only tools available at the time.
 
Knowledge has increased exponentially. Intelligence remains the same. Wisdom is the product of knowledge and intelligence, so yes, our own wisdom increased since those times.

While the construction of the Egyptian pyramids—specifically the Great Pyramid of Giza—is one of history's most enduring puzzles, it is inaccurate to say we have "no clue" how they were built. Modern archaeology, experimental archaeology, and recent discoveries have provided, if not a complete, step-by-step blueprint, a very strong, scientifically supported understanding of the techniques and logistics.
Here is what is currently known, according to archaeological and historical evidence:

1. The Workforce and Organization
  • Not Slaves: Evidence indicates the pyramids were built by a massive, well-organized workforce of skilled, paid laborers (not slaves) who camped near the construction site.
  • Seasonal Labor: Many were farmers who worked on the pyramids during the Nile’s annual flood, which made agricultural work impossible, and likely acted as a form of labor tax.
  • Infrastructure: Archaeological digs have uncovered worker villages complete with bakeries, breweries, and medical facilities, showing that the workers were well-nourished and cared for.

2. Transporting the Materials
  • The Nile River: The Nile was the primary, vital, and most efficient route for transporting limestone from Tura (for the casing) and granite from Aswan.
  • Canals: Recent radar technology discovered that a 64km-long, now-buried branch of the Nile (the Ahramat Branch) once ran directly alongside 31 pyramids, making transport easier than previously thought.
  • Sleds and Wet Sand: Workers moved the 2.5-ton blocks on wooden sledges. To reduce friction, they poured water (or oil) onto the sand in front of the sledges, making it significantly easier to pull.
3. Lifting the Stones
  • Ramp Systems: The most widely accepted theory is that ramps made of mud-brick, rubble, and limestone debris were used to haul the stones. These may have been straight, zig-zagging, or spiral, built up as the structure grew.
  • Internal Ramps: A more recent theory suggests that while outer ramps were used for the lower levels, an internal ramp system may have been used to reach the highest points.
  • Levering and Counterweights: As the pyramid grew higher, laborers likely used wooden levers, shadoof-style lifts (a type of counterweight system), and rollers to maneuver the blocks.
  • Recent Discoveries: In 2018, a 4,500-year-old ramp system with a very steep slope was found at an alabaster quarry, providing evidence that Egyptians were capable of using steep, engineered ramps for lifting.
4. Precision and Surveying
  • Alignment: The pyramids are oriented almost perfectly north-south. This was likely achieved by studying the motion of stars, using tools like the merkhet (a "tool of knowing") and the bay (a sighting tool).
  • Leveling: To create a perfectly level base, they likely used water-filled trenches to map a grid, or used wooden A-shaped plumb levels to check for horizontal accuracy.
  • Copper Tools: They used copper chisels, drills, and saws, often with abrasive sand, to cut the relatively soft limestone.
Why the "Mystery" Persists
The reason this is often considered a "mystery" is because the Egyptians intentionally left no written records of the construction process, likely to protect the secrets of their "god-kings."
However, the "no clue" narrative is usually promoted by pseudoscientific theories (like "ancient aliens"). In reality, archaeologists have successfully replicated many of these techniques using only tools available at the time.

Wisdom is the level of understanding between emotion and rational thought.

Yes, IQ scores have significantly increased over the 20th century, a trend known as the "Flynn effect," with gains of about 3 points per decade due to factors like better nutrition, education, and abstract thinking demands, though recent studies suggest a potential slowing or even reversal in some cognitive areas in developed nations.

The Flynn Effect
  • What it is: The consistent rise in average IQ scores across generations in industrialized nations, first identified by researcher James Flynn.
  • Rate of Increase:Roughly 3 IQ points per decade, meaning someone scoring 100 today would score around 85 on a test from 60 years ago

    Reasons for the Increase
  • Improved Nutrition & Health: Better childhood nutrition and fewer infectious diseases support brain development.
  • Increased Education: More formal schooling and exposure to mentally stimulating environments.
  • Cognitive Demands: Modern life, with its technology, puzzles, and complex problem-solving, encourages abstract thinking.
 
Knowledge has increased exponentially. Intelligence remains the same. Wisdom is the product of knowledge and intelligence, so yes, our own wisdom increased since those times.
Yet you submitted as an argument that belief/knowledge of God came from an ignorant people and therefore, as a people today we should move forward with atheism, while admitting ancestral intelligence remains the same.

I suggest that while all all persons did not have the awareness to make paper, lock, keys, pyramids, etc. in those days, the same is true of people today. I would be willing to bet that in the same way, not all of our ancestors had this awareness of God. Like most others things, the knowledge is there, but not all possess that knowledge--nor want it.
 
Yet you submitted as an argument that belief/knowledge of God came from an ignorant people and therefore, as a people today we should move forward with atheism, while admitting ancestral intelligence remains the same.

I suggest that while all all persons did not have the awareness to make paper, lock, keys, pyramids, etc. in those days, the same is true of people today. I would be willing to bet that in the same way, not all of our ancestors had this awareness of God. Like most others things, the knowledge is there, but not all possess that knowledge--nor want it.
The human brain is hardwired for spiritual thinking.
Atheism isn't a sign of greater intelligence. It creates a reality thats limited small concrete and easy to understand. Its driven by emotion not intelligence.
 
The human brain is hardwired for spiritual thinking.
Atheism isn't a sign of greater intelligence. It creates a reality thats limited small concrete and easy to understand. Its driven by emotion not intelligence.

really,

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is that the desert dwellers are motivated by intelligence ...

- spiritualism is the antithesis of thinking.
 
Yet you submitted as an argument that belief/knowledge of God came from an ignorant people and therefore, as a people today we should move forward with atheism, while admitting ancestral intelligence remains the same.

I suggest that while all all persons did not have the awareness to make paper, lock, keys, pyramids, etc. in those days, the same is true of people today. I would be willing to bet that in the same way, not all of our ancestors had this awareness of God. Like most others things, the knowledge is there, but not all possess that knowledge--nor want it.
Look at how all the different 'awareness' of God manifested itself in every culture. It was naturalism, paganism, monotheism, and henotheism.
 
Look at how all the different 'awareness' of God manifested itself in every culture. It was naturalism, paganism, monotheism, and henotheism.
Look at how different knowledge manifests itself in cultures, in ages, in abilities. There are still people who believe in a flat earth, no moon landing, etc. It all stems from the willingness and enthusiasm one has to learn about any topic--and that includes God. Simply because you have no willingness and/or enthusiasm, does not mean no one else should either.
 
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The human brain is hardwired for spiritual thinking.
Atheism isn't a sign of greater intelligence. It creates a reality thats limited small concrete and easy to understand. Its driven by emotion not intelligence.
I agree.
 
Look at how different knowledge manifests itself in cultures, in ages, in abilities. There are still people who believe in a flat earth, no moon landing, etc. It all stems from the willingness and enthusiasm one has to learn about any topic--and that includes God. Simply because you have no willingness and/or enthusiasm, does not mean no one else should either.
I feel I have made a long and hard search for the truth and it lead me to where I am today. I think everyone should make their own journey, whether it leads them to where I am or not is fine by me.
 
I feel I have made a long and hard search for the truth and it lead me to where I am today. I think everyone should make their own journey, whether it leads them to where I am or not is fine by me.
Could it be (since you are here) that you are still searching, believing there is something you have yet to discover?
 

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