Why Do You Trump Lovers Hate NATO So Much?

[bendog]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Well, it ties into the belief that we are carrying water for the rest of the world, and that's not an irrational belief.

However, Trump's motives may be different, and withdrawing from Syria while Isis remains a threat is .... inexplicable.

NATO stepped into Iraq - anyone hear 43 bitch ?

Fuck you asshole. Nato isn't paying 2%, hear that bitch?

where ?

I've never attacked you. Fuck off if that's your game.

 

[DustyInfinity]

NATO is outdated and unreliable.....why Bush allowed Turkey in is still unexplained.....We can not rely on NATO if they happen to disagree with us on an issue because that nation is doing business with our adversary.....Europe places more importance on profit than they did after WW11....

Putin loves people like you

The only problem with that is the Democrat youth are the ones running around with hammer and scycle T-shirts. Always have been. It is kind of sad that by making Democrats blue on media maps and accusing a Republican President of being a Russiian that you guys think you can convince people you are not authoritarian collectivists. We the People, not we the corrupt state who buys Bernie houses and is immune to the law. You're not fooling anybody, and it makes you look pathetic.

 

[Lesh]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Well, it ties into the belief that we are carrying water for the rest of the world, and that's not an irrational belief.

However, Trump's motives may be different, and withdrawing from Syria while Isis remains a threat is .... inexplicable.

NATO stepped into Iraq - anyone hear 43 bitch ?

Fuck you asshole. Nato isn't paying 2%, hear that bitch?

Hear that bitch?

Wow ain't YOU the internet tough guy.

Newsflash dickhead...they are on track to meet that commitment as negotiated

8 NATO countries to hit defense spending target

On track because of Trump, fuck

Bullshit. They HAVE been on track right along. (You seem to have changed your story some huh?)

The sun came up today. Gonna credit Trump with that too?

 

[Siete]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Well, it ties into the belief that we are carrying water for the rest of the world, and that's not an irrational belief.

However, Trump's motives may be different, and withdrawing from Syria while Isis remains a threat is .... inexplicable.

NATO stepped into Iraq - anyone hear 43 bitch ?

Fuck you asshole. Nato isn't paying 2%, hear that bitch?

where ?

I've never attacked you. Fuck off if that's your game.

since you quoted ME then cussed, who knew

 

[jc456]

Trump Is Training His Base to Hate NATO and Like Putin

So Trump lovers got their panties all moist this week when they heard news of Trump seriously considering pulling out of NATO -- their general consensus was, "Fuck yea!! let's save that money and give it away in corporate tax cuts or directly to defense contractors!! #MAGA"

Is NATO really that much of a problem in the world? Or is pulling out of NATO more of a way to just feel like you are "owning the libs" on something? It seems that much of whatever Trump lovers support is mainly based on the fact they think it makes "libs" angry -- which is pathetic in itself.

As Trump himself said (from the article) "Sometimes our worst enemies are our so-called friends or allies, right?” At a subsequent rally in Montana last week, the president declared, “Our allies in many cases were worse than our enemies.” He then went on to say about his boo-thang Putin: "Putin is KGB.” (Putin did in fact work in the KGB.) “You know what,” he said, “Putin’s fine. He’s fine. We are all fine, we’re all people.”

Trump claims his opposition to NATO is based on money; but that is not how NATO works. It is not a protection scheme where the allies pay the United States. It is a collective defense organization in which members agree that an attack on one is an attack on all. NATO is the most successful peace-keeping franchise in world history; let's not forget that the norm for Europe before then was wars, wars, and more wars....It was only 20 yrs that separated WW1 from WW2; since NATO -- no more wars breaking out all across Europe; how is that a failure?

Well put. Leaving NATO will save NO money...but WILL embolden Putin

Let me reiterate...there are no DUES for NATO

NONE

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

 

[Lesh]

The only problem with that is the Democrat youth are the ones running around with hammer and scycle T-shirts.

A. As you assholes note...the Soviet Union is long gone. The current threat is the Russian Federation. YOUR buddies'

B. I have never seen these kids with hammer and sickle t shirts. Have you actually seen that ?

 

[debbiedowner]

I neither love Trump or NATO. I don’t see the point of continuing an alliance of defense against a nation that ceased to exist nearly 30 years ago.

Especially when we expand it to include radical nations like Turkey. Does anyone really want to go to war if Turkey is attacker’s by someone?

Again Turkey has been in NATO since 1952.

Do you have any idea what functions NATO plays? I do I worked with them in 1969 for a little while. So do some research.

 

[Lesh]

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

 

[jc456]

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

you said they didn't pay, if they don't pay, we leave. It is really quite simple. ahhhhh I see it was simple. to easy for you. they don't pay for the service we leave.

 

[Lesh]

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

you said they didn't pay, if they don't pay, we leave. It is really quite simple. ahhhhh I see it was simple. to easy for you. they don't pay for the service we leave.

Doubling down on stupid assertions doesn't make them any less stupid

I never said "they "don't pay" in fact just the opposite

And it ain't fucking DUES you cretin

 

[McRocket]

The EU does NOT need America to defend itself from Russia AT ALL. Russia is a shadow of it's former might (conventionally). And is ZERO threat to conventionally invade Europe.

He IS however a threat to invade all of his neighbor states and steal THEIR wealth. WIth each takeover he becomes stronger militarily and economically with the goal of becoming equal to or greater than the old Soviet Union.

An aggressive Communist Soviet Russia was bad enough...a mafia style Russian dictatorship could be even worse

Even worse? Who has Russia 'taken over' against their will?

Both the Crimea and the Donbass regions voted over 90% to join Russia. Nothing wrong there.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
2014 Donbass status referendums - Wikipedia

So who are you referring to?


Additionally, The EU does not need America to defend itself from Russia. Not by a long shot.

Defense Spending by Country

 

[jc456]

then trump should pull all of our troops out and NATO doesn't need us.

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

you said they didn't pay, if they don't pay, we leave. It is really quite simple. ahhhhh I see it was simple. to easy for you. they don't pay for the service we leave.

Doubling down on stupid assertions doesn't make them any less stupid

then you shouldn't have said they didn't pay. no pay for the service, no service.

 

[Lesh]

then you shouldn't have said they didn't pay. no pay for the service, no service.

I didn't. Learn to read ...moron

 

[Rambunctious]

NATO is outdated and unreliable.....why Bush allowed Turkey in is still unexplained.....We can not rely on NATO if they happen to disagree with us on an issue because that nation is doing business with our adversary.....Europe places more importance on profit than they did after WW11....

Was Bush President in 1951 and 1952 when Turkey joined NATO?

I meant to say Truman....my mistake...

 

[Lesh]

The EU does NOT need America to defend itself from Russia AT ALL. Russia is a shadow of it's former might (conventionally). And is ZERO threat to conventionally invade Europe.

He IS however a threat to invade all of his neighbor states and steal THEIR wealth. WIth each takeover he becomes stronger militarily and economically with the goal of becoming equal to or greater than the old Soviet Union.

An aggressive Communist Soviet Russia was bad enough...a mafia style Russian dictatorship could be even worse

Even worse? Who has Russia 'taken over' against their will?

Both the Crimea and the Donbass regions voted over 90% to join Russia. Nothing wrong there.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
2014 Donbass status referendums - Wikipedia

So who are you referring to?


Additionally, The EU does not need America to defend itself from Russia. Not by a long shot.

Defense Spending by Country

Elections that were as legit as Putin's own re-election...

Are you PAID by Putin for that kinda crap?

 

[Rambunctious]

The EU does NOT need America to defend itself from Russia AT ALL. Russia is a shadow of it's former might (conventionally). And is ZERO threat to conventionally invade Europe.

He IS however a threat to invade all of his neighbor states and steal THEIR wealth. WIth each takeover he becomes stronger militarily and economically with the goal of becoming equal to or greater than the old Soviet Union.

An aggressive Communist Soviet Russia was bad enough...a mafia style Russian dictatorship could be even worse

Even worse? Who has Russia 'taken over' against their will?

Both the Crimea and the Donbass regions voted over 90% to join Russia. Nothing wrong there.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
2014 Donbass status referendums - Wikipedia

So who are you referring to?


Additionally, The EU does not need America to defend itself from Russia. Not by a long shot.

Defense Spending by Country

Elections that were as legit as Putin's own re-election...

Are you PAID by Putin for that kinda crap?

You are funny....ignorant but funny at the same time.....

 

[Lesh]

Good example of circular logic.

"They haven't been paying enough...we should pull out"

"Oh they have been paying enough? Then they don't need us and we should pull out"

Circular logic is NO logic at all

 

[Lesh]

The EU does NOT need America to defend itself from Russia AT ALL. Russia is a shadow of it's former might (conventionally). And is ZERO threat to conventionally invade Europe.

He IS however a threat to invade all of his neighbor states and steal THEIR wealth. WIth each takeover he becomes stronger militarily and economically with the goal of becoming equal to or greater than the old Soviet Union.

An aggressive Communist Soviet Russia was bad enough...a mafia style Russian dictatorship could be even worse

Even worse? Who has Russia 'taken over' against their will?

Both the Crimea and the Donbass regions voted over 90% to join Russia. Nothing wrong there.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
2014 Donbass status referendums - Wikipedia

So who are you referring to?


Additionally, The EU does not need America to defend itself from Russia. Not by a long shot.

Defense Spending by Country

Elections that were as legit as Putin's own re-election...

Are you PAID by Putin for that kinda crap?

You are funny....ignorant but funny at the same time.....

I don't find people like you spouting Russian propaganda at ALL funny

 

[jc456]

then you shouldn't have said they didn't pay. no pay for the service, no service.

I didn't. Learn to read ...moron

post #6 regurgitater.

"Let me reiterate...there are no DUES for NATO"

 

[jc456]

The EU does NOT need America to defend itself from Russia AT ALL. Russia is a shadow of it's former might (conventionally). And is ZERO threat to conventionally invade Europe.

He IS however a threat to invade all of his neighbor states and steal THEIR wealth. WIth each takeover he becomes stronger militarily and economically with the goal of becoming equal to or greater than the old Soviet Union.

An aggressive Communist Soviet Russia was bad enough...a mafia style Russian dictatorship could be even worse

Even worse? Who has Russia 'taken over' against their will?

Both the Crimea and the Donbass regions voted over 90% to join Russia. Nothing wrong there.

2014 Crimean status referendum - Wikipedia
2014 Donbass status referendums - Wikipedia

So who are you referring to?


Additionally, The EU does not need America to defend itself from Russia. Not by a long shot.

Defense Spending by Country

Elections that were as legit as Putin's own re-election...

Are you PAID by Putin for that kinda crap?

you have no honor.

If you wish to debate, you should go learn. calling people names isn't debating.