Why Do They Like Illegal Immigration ?

[Porter Rockwell]

After careful consideration: Both American political parties are empty facades, they BOTH pander and if you vote for EITHER, might as well just twiddle your thumbs. Empty and meaningless. After all the political shenanigans...sanctuary cities, this weird unprecedented lock down over a virulent but overall harmless flu bug, WHO is ACTUALLY running this place?

I wouldn't call a virus that in a few months has killed twice as many Americans as died in the Vietnam War, "overall harmless". It's also not correct to equate both parties in supporting illegal immigration. Generally, it is a Democrat thing.

You are out of touch with reality on immigration. At the very very least, you should learn the terminology and some basic facts if you're going to come here and make an idiot of yourself.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

After careful consideration: Both American political parties are empty facades, they BOTH pander and if you vote for EITHER, might as well just twiddle your thumbs. Empty and meaningless. After all the political shenanigans...sanctuary cities, this weird unprecedented lock down over a virulent but overall harmless flu bug, WHO is ACTUALLY running this place?

Major corporations are running the country. The politicians have become mere figureheads. First one side is winning, then the people vote the opposite party is winning, but at the end of the day what we, the people want is the LAST thing either party is concerned with. They are telling you what you want to hear. Change is only going to come from the grass roots level by people dedicated to exhausting all of their nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress, including, but not limited to: passive resistance, boycotting the system and supporting those of like mind; exiting the system, getting off the grid; civil disobedience (refusing to obey unconstitutional laws.)

The more you beg the government to help you, the more they are going to screw you. Sometimes you will have to support laws that, in the short term do not favor your position, but over the long haul will give you what you want. It's all about strategies and thinking as if you are fighting a bigger opponent. You take on a bigger opponent with political judo. You don't duke it out with someone bigger than you. You use their momentum against them. Government is not your friend on this subject.

Major corporations

Oh so it is the EVIL corporations again. Who the fuck works in those corporations that you so despise? Egad man, you are the one who has fallen to the dark side.

Reagan pledges support for stalled immigration reform bill

It's President Reagan vs. House Speaker Thomas P. O'Neill Jr. on immigration control. ''This country has lost control of its own borders,'' Mr. Reagan told his press conference Wednesday night. ''No country can sustain that kind of position.''

There are critics of the bill in civil liberties groups. Dale Frederick Swartz of the National Immigration, Refugee, and Citizenship Forum says: ''Mr. O'Neill was right in saying there is not a strong constituency for the approach taken in the Simpson-Mazzoli bill. Sponsors tried to do too much in one bill, so the politics became extremely complicated and no major interests were sufficiently satisfied to give it strong or unequivocal support.''

Instead of President Trump asking the Communist left that is in Congress, he knew they would lie, so he used his executive privilege to build the wall this country so needs.

 

[Mr Natural]

Those crops are not going to pick themselves.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Those crops are not going to pick themselves.

Then get off your liberal lazy ass, and go pick those crops....

 

[Mr Natural]

Those crops are not going to pick themselves.

Then get off your liberal lazy ass, and go pick those crops....

Are you this stupid in real life or is it an internet thing with you?

 

[protectionist]

My curiosity is wondering why morons like yourself continue to believe that illegal aliens vote.

Liberal OMISSION media (CNN, MSNBC, PBS, NYT, WaPo, etc) has got information-deprived liberals so in the dark, that in 2020, after years of hundreds of research reports, NEVER even whispered on the liberal media, ignorant liberals still are clueless. Sad.

View attachment 340301

Here's a small fraction of the reports >>>

Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Report_Alien-Invasion-in-Virginia.pdf

Study supports Trump: 5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes

Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote

Texas Democrats ask noncitizens to register to vote

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Safe-Spaces_Final.pdf

Finally Proof of Illegal Alien Voting

Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections | Federation for American Immigration Reform

Illegal Aliens Really Do Vote – a Lot

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Philadelphia-Litigation-Report.pdf

Exclusive: Florida Investigating Potential Non-Citizen Voters

So I'll take that as a NO, you're not going to tell us what your VESTED INTEREST is.
10-4.

I looked at the links. Most are pure right wing garbage that you trot out in a lame attempt to prove something. The ones that are not garbage report very little actual illegal voting is taking place. Being on the voter rolls doesn't mean that one is voting. The estimate--estimate---is 528,000 votes were cast out of something like 140 million. As the piece states (fairus.org), the true numbers are not known.

Again, morons like yourself are just conspiracy nuts.

That being said, I see absolutely nothing wrong with having a national voter ID card that you must present when you cast a ballot in person.

Anything that stands in opposition to your leftist lunacy, you moronically call "pure right wing garbage", in just further confirmation of your deranged state of mind. Where would you think these links would be, in the New York Times ? The Nation ?

INVALIDATION is hard-wired into liberals.

These links are a small fraction of the total evidence reports of illegal voting. Obviously, one is not going to post hundreds of reports in a USMB post, but your attempt at disparaging these proofs falls short. In your original comment, you claimed that illegal aliens don't vote (as if none of them did) - when in fact, millions of them do, as you absurdly refuse to accept, because you know it is illegal and wrong, and you support it, because you know it goes to the left.

A "national voter ID card" minus proof of CITIZENSHIP, is meaningless, and does nothing more than stop people from voting more than once. Doesn't do a thing to stop illegal aliens from voting.

Would you support a national voter ID card that you must present when you cast a ballot in person, that includes PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP ?...(thereby excluding illegal aliens from voting) Answer that.

 

[protectionist]

Are you this stupid in real life or is it an internet thing with you?

Any reason why you CAN'T pick those crops yourself, or HIRE AMERICAN CITIZENS to do it ?

 

[Jitss617]

Latinos are easy to control. Exactly what democrats want.

 

[Mr Natural]

Are you this stupid in real life or is it an internet thing with you?

Any reason why you CAN'T pick those crops yourself, or HIRE AMERICAN CITIZENS to do it ?

I'm not the one with the immigrant problem, you are. So if anybody should be picking crops, it's your kind. After all, don't you want to do your country a service by eliminating at least one illegal by replacing him in the field?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

After careful consideration: Both American political parties are empty facades, they BOTH pander and if you vote for EITHER, might as well just twiddle your thumbs. Empty and meaningless. After all the political shenanigans...sanctuary cities, this weird unprecedented lock down over a virulent but overall harmless flu bug, WHO is ACTUALLY running this place?

Major corporations are running the country. The politicians have become mere figureheads. First one side is winning, then the people vote the opposite party is winning, but at the end of the day what we, the people want is the LAST thing either party is concerned with. They are telling you what you want to hear. Change is only going to come from the grass roots level by people dedicated to exhausting all of their nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress, including, but not limited to: passive resistance, boycotting the system and supporting those of like mind; exiting the system, getting off the grid; civil disobedience (refusing to obey unconstitutional laws.)

The more you beg the government to help you, the more they are going to screw you. Sometimes you will have to support laws that, in the short term do not favor your position, but over the long haul will give you what you want. It's all about strategies and thinking as if you are fighting a bigger opponent. You take on a bigger opponent with political judo. You don't duke it out with someone bigger than you. You use their momentum against them. Government is not your friend on this subject.

Major corporations

Oh so it is the EVIL corporations again. Who the fuck works in those corporations that you so despise? Egad man, you are the one who has fallen to the dark side.

Reagan pledges support for stalled immigration reform bill

It's President Reagan vs. House Speaker Thomas P. O'Neill Jr. on immigration control. ''This country has lost control of its own borders,'' Mr. Reagan told his press conference Wednesday night. ''No country can sustain that kind of position.''

There are critics of the bill in civil liberties groups. Dale Frederick Swartz of the National Immigration, Refugee, and Citizenship Forum says: ''Mr. O'Neill was right in saying there is not a strong constituency for the approach taken in the Simpson-Mazzoli bill. Sponsors tried to do too much in one bill, so the politics became extremely complicated and no major interests were sufficiently satisfied to give it strong or unequivocal support.''

Instead of President Trump asking the Communist left that is in Congress, he knew they would lie, so he used his executive privilege to build the wall this country so needs.

You are overly simplistic in your straw man arguments and absolutely ignorant beyond any rational belief in your proposed "solution." The president never has an Executive privilege to circumvent the legislature. There used to be an old saying that it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." Well, the MAGA supporters are ignorant people that never understood that. They believe that you just "win." You have a threefold problem with what you advocate:

1) We have three separate branches of government in this country and each of them are limited by the Constitution as to what their powers are. The United States Supreme Court claims that they are superior branch of government (see Marbury v. Madison.) So, they interpret and the reinterpret the law - aka legislating from the bench. We were taught in school that if the laws needed to be changed, that was the job of Congress. Then you advocate making Trump some kind of demigod. If Congress don't give me what I want, I'll rule by Executive Fiat the Democrat Disinformation Artist rails. Ah, but one day, the principle will not favor you - and I can guarantee you will not like the results

2) You cannot criminalize Liberty

3) As long as America remains the drug user capital of the world with more of its people in prison than any nation on the planet, foreigners will come here. A silly ass wall isn't going to stop them. Besides, most undocumented foreigners come here without papers come in via a proper process and overstay their visa. The wall is a panacea for people whose shoe size is bigger than their IQ.

If trying to ridicule me with straw man arguments is your thing, have at it. But, your side consistently loses the argument as can be measured by what the people in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption believe - and in this case what the legislative branch believes and which direction they are going in today.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

After careful consideration: Both American political parties are empty facades, they BOTH pander and if you vote for EITHER, might as well just twiddle your thumbs. Empty and meaningless. After all the political shenanigans...sanctuary cities, this weird unprecedented lock down over a virulent but overall harmless flu bug, WHO is ACTUALLY running this place?

Major corporations are running the country. The politicians have become mere figureheads. First one side is winning, then the people vote the opposite party is winning, but at the end of the day what we, the people want is the LAST thing either party is concerned with. They are telling you what you want to hear. Change is only going to come from the grass roots level by people dedicated to exhausting all of their nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress, including, but not limited to: passive resistance, boycotting the system and supporting those of like mind; exiting the system, getting off the grid; civil disobedience (refusing to obey unconstitutional laws.)

The more you beg the government to help you, the more they are going to screw you. Sometimes you will have to support laws that, in the short term do not favor your position, but over the long haul will give you what you want. It's all about strategies and thinking as if you are fighting a bigger opponent. You take on a bigger opponent with political judo. You don't duke it out with someone bigger than you. You use their momentum against them. Government is not your friend on this subject.

Major corporations

Oh so it is the EVIL corporations again. Who the fuck works in those corporations that you so despise? Egad man, you are the one who has fallen to the dark side.

Reagan pledges support for stalled immigration reform bill

It's President Reagan vs. House Speaker Thomas P. O'Neill Jr. on immigration control. ''This country has lost control of its own borders,'' Mr. Reagan told his press conference Wednesday night. ''No country can sustain that kind of position.''

There are critics of the bill in civil liberties groups. Dale Frederick Swartz of the National Immigration, Refugee, and Citizenship Forum says: ''Mr. O'Neill was right in saying there is not a strong constituency for the approach taken in the Simpson-Mazzoli bill. Sponsors tried to do too much in one bill, so the politics became extremely complicated and no major interests were sufficiently satisfied to give it strong or unequivocal support.''

Instead of President Trump asking the Communist left that is in Congress, he knew they would lie, so he used his executive privilege to build the wall this country so needs.

You are overly simplistic in your straw man arguments and absolutely ignorant beyond any rational belief in your proposed "solution." The president never has an Executive privilege to circumvent the legislature. There used to be an old saying that it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." Well, the MAGA supporters are ignorant people that never understood that. They believe that you just "win." You have a threefold problem with what you advocate:

1) We have three separate branches of government in this country and each of them are limited by the Constitution as to what their powers are. The United States Supreme Court claims that they are superior branch of government (see Marbury v. Madison.) So, they interpret and the reinterpret the law - aka legislating from the bench. We were taught in school that if the laws needed to be changed, that was the job of Congress. Then you advocate making Trump some kind of demigod. If Congress don't give me what I want, I'll rule by Executive Fiat the Democrat Disinformation Artist rails. Ah, but one day, the principle will not favor you - and I can guarantee you will not like the results

2) You cannot criminalize Liberty

3) As long as America remains the drug user capital of the world with more of its people in prison than any nation on the planet, foreigners will come here. A silly ass wall isn't going to stop them. Besides, most undocumented foreigners come here without papers come in via a proper process and overstay their visa. The wall is a panacea for people whose shoe size is bigger than their IQ.

If trying to ridicule me with straw man arguments is your thing, have at it. But, your side consistently loses the argument as can be measured by what the people in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption believe - and in this case what the legislative branch believes and which direction they are going in today.

You are overly simplistic in your straw man arguments

And you are a typical liberal.

 

[candycorn]

My curiosity is wondering why morons like yourself continue to believe that illegal aliens vote.

Liberal OMISSION media (CNN, MSNBC, PBS, NYT, WaPo, etc) has got information-deprived liberals so in the dark, that in 2020, after years of hundreds of research reports, NEVER even whispered on the liberal media, ignorant liberals still are clueless. Sad.

View attachment 340301

Here's a small fraction of the reports >>>

Poll: 13% of Illegal Aliens ADMIT They Vote - California Political Review

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Report_Alien-Invasion-in-Virginia.pdf

Study supports Trump: 5.7 million noncitizens may have cast illegal votes

Nevada Sec. State: DMV Instructed Employees To Register Non-Citizens To Vote

Texas Democrats ask noncitizens to register to vote

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Safe-Spaces_Final.pdf

Finally Proof of Illegal Alien Voting

Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections | Federation for American Immigration Reform

Illegal Aliens Really Do Vote – a Lot

https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Philadelphia-Litigation-Report.pdf

Exclusive: Florida Investigating Potential Non-Citizen Voters

So I'll take that as a NO, you're not going to tell us what your VESTED INTEREST is.
10-4.

I looked at the links. Most are pure right wing garbage that you trot out in a lame attempt to prove something. The ones that are not garbage report very little actual illegal voting is taking place. Being on the voter rolls doesn't mean that one is voting. The estimate--estimate---is 528,000 votes were cast out of something like 140 million. As the piece states (fairus.org), the true numbers are not known.

Again, morons like yourself are just conspiracy nuts.

That being said, I see absolutely nothing wrong with having a national voter ID card that you must present when you cast a ballot in person.

Anything that stands in opposition to your leftist lunacy, you moronically call "pure right wing garbage", in just further confirmation of your deranged state of mind. Where would you think these links would be, in the New York Times ? The Nation ?

INVALIDATION is hard-wired into liberals.

These links are a small fraction of the total evidence reports of illegal voting. Obviously, one is not going to post hundreds of reports in a USMB post, but your attempt at disparaging these proofs falls short. In your original comment, you claimed that illegal aliens don't vote (as if none of them did) - when in fact, millions of them do, as you absurdly refuse to accept, because you know it is illegal and wrong, and you support it, because you know it goes to the left.

A "national voter ID card" minus proof of CITIZENSHIP, is meaningless, and does nothing more than stop people from voting more than once. Doesn't do a thing to stop illegal aliens from voting.

Would you support a national voter ID card that you must present when you cast a ballot in person, that includes PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP ?...(thereby excluding illegal aliens from voting) Answer that.

The links (like you) are trash. It’s just another conspiracy theory you guys cook up. The VIDC is based on proof shit brains.

 

[protectionist]

I'm not the one with the immigrant problem, you are. So if anybody should be picking crops, it's your kind. After all, don't you want to do your country a service by eliminating at least one illegal by replacing him in the field?

Absolutely. That's exactly what needs to happen, but on a much larger scale. ALL the illegal aliens should be replaced by Americans, doing whatever work they are doing.

As I said in the post you quoted >> HIRE AMERICAN CITIZENS,

PS - you may not think you have an immigrant problem, and if you watch CNN/MSNBC, you may never be aware, but ALL Americans DO have an immigrant problem, as this list illustrates in outline form >>

Harms of immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).
2. Wage reduction.
3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).
4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($148 Billion/year). Remittance flows worldwide in 2017
5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.
6. Increased crime.
7. Increased traffic congestion.
8. Increased pollution.
9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.
10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.
11. Overcrowding in government offices.
12. Overcrowding in schools.
13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.
14. Cultural erosion.
15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)
16. Introduction of foreign diseases
17. Influx of terrorists.
18. Wildfires
19. Litter
20. Housing saturation.
21. Excessively high housing costs.

 

[protectionist]

The links (like you) are trash. It’s just another conspiracy theory you guys cook up. The VIDC is based on proof shit brains.

The word "conspiracy" has been so overused, that one can't help but bust out laughing every time we see/hear it. Sure, leftist loons. Everything you don't like, must be a conspiracy theory. Sorry, the results of illegal alien voting has added up into the hundreds of reports, by well studied researchers. Your little boy who cried wolf "Conspiracy theory" holler, lost its luster about 3 years ago. Played out.

Liberals think they can brush away evidence just by claiming it to be invalid. Problem for them is they have to show that they actually READ THE REPORTS, which they claim to be invalid, otherwise how could they know ?

So here's what we do. I'll give Kandy Kook a QUIZ on the reports. Yes, if she wants to have the luxury of dismissing the CONTENT of these reports, she will have to EARN that, by demonstrating full knowledge of them. LOL. My guess is she hasn't read a single one. One QUIZ coming up, ... SOON, and questions will be from ALL of the links.. Study hard, bed wetter.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

After careful consideration: Both American political parties are empty facades, they BOTH pander and if you vote for EITHER, might as well just twiddle your thumbs. Empty and meaningless. After all the political shenanigans...sanctuary cities, this weird unprecedented lock down over a virulent but overall harmless flu bug, WHO is ACTUALLY running this place?

Major corporations are running the country. The politicians have become mere figureheads. First one side is winning, then the people vote the opposite party is winning, but at the end of the day what we, the people want is the LAST thing either party is concerned with. They are telling you what you want to hear. Change is only going to come from the grass roots level by people dedicated to exhausting all of their nonviolent legal and political avenues of redress, including, but not limited to: passive resistance, boycotting the system and supporting those of like mind; exiting the system, getting off the grid; civil disobedience (refusing to obey unconstitutional laws.)

The more you beg the government to help you, the more they are going to screw you. Sometimes you will have to support laws that, in the short term do not favor your position, but over the long haul will give you what you want. It's all about strategies and thinking as if you are fighting a bigger opponent. You take on a bigger opponent with political judo. You don't duke it out with someone bigger than you. You use their momentum against them. Government is not your friend on this subject.

Major corporations

Oh so it is the EVIL corporations again. Who the fuck works in those corporations that you so despise? Egad man, you are the one who has fallen to the dark side.

Reagan pledges support for stalled immigration reform bill

It's President Reagan vs. House Speaker Thomas P. O'Neill Jr. on immigration control. ''This country has lost control of its own borders,'' Mr. Reagan told his press conference Wednesday night. ''No country can sustain that kind of position.''

There are critics of the bill in civil liberties groups. Dale Frederick Swartz of the National Immigration, Refugee, and Citizenship Forum says: ''Mr. O'Neill was right in saying there is not a strong constituency for the approach taken in the Simpson-Mazzoli bill. Sponsors tried to do too much in one bill, so the politics became extremely complicated and no major interests were sufficiently satisfied to give it strong or unequivocal support.''

Instead of President Trump asking the Communist left that is in Congress, he knew they would lie, so he used his executive privilege to build the wall this country so needs.

You are overly simplistic in your straw man arguments and absolutely ignorant beyond any rational belief in your proposed "solution." The president never has an Executive privilege to circumvent the legislature. There used to be an old saying that it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game." Well, the MAGA supporters are ignorant people that never understood that. They believe that you just "win." You have a threefold problem with what you advocate:

1) We have three separate branches of government in this country and each of them are limited by the Constitution as to what their powers are. The United States Supreme Court claims that they are superior branch of government (see Marbury v. Madison.) So, they interpret and the reinterpret the law - aka legislating from the bench. We were taught in school that if the laws needed to be changed, that was the job of Congress. Then you advocate making Trump some kind of demigod. If Congress don't give me what I want, I'll rule by Executive Fiat the Democrat Disinformation Artist rails. Ah, but one day, the principle will not favor you - and I can guarantee you will not like the results

2) You cannot criminalize Liberty

3) As long as America remains the drug user capital of the world with more of its people in prison than any nation on the planet, foreigners will come here. A silly ass wall isn't going to stop them. Besides, most undocumented foreigners come here without papers come in via a proper process and overstay their visa. The wall is a panacea for people whose shoe size is bigger than their IQ.

If trying to ridicule me with straw man arguments is your thing, have at it. But, your side consistently loses the argument as can be measured by what the people in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption believe - and in this case what the legislative branch believes and which direction they are going in today.

You are overly simplistic in your straw man arguments

And you are a typical liberal.

View attachment 340343

You are a fucking idiot. I don't vote for liberals or Democrats and unlike your dumb ass, I have manned the border as civilian militia. There is nothing "typical" about me. Posting a picture of how you live your life while making such an idiotic statement toward me is ironic and pathetic.

 

[Mr Natural]

Those tables are not going to bus themselves.

 

[protectionist]

Those tables are not going to bus themselves.

Plenty of AMERICANS to bus them.

 

[protectionist]

Some Democrats are perfectly open about their desire to have illegal aliens voting (for them). Among these are CAP (Center for American Progress).

The Center For American Progress (CAP) Action Fund circulated a memo a couple of years ago, calling illegal aliens brought here at a young age — so-called “Dreamers” — a “critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success.”

The memo, co-authored by former Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri, was sent around to allies, calling on Democrats to “refuse to offer any votes for Republican spending bills that do not offer a fix for Dreamers.."

CAP Action’s memo says protecting DACA is not only a “moral imperative” for Democrats, it also key to getting votes.

“If Democrats don’t try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats’ electoral chances in 2018 and beyond,” reads the memo. “In short, the next few weeks will tell us a lot about the Democratic Party and its long-term electoral prospects.”

LEAKED MEMO: DREAMers Are ‘Critical’ To Dems ‘Future Electoral Success’

The Center For American Progress Action Fund circulated a memo calling

dailycaller.com

Here's a comment from the Hill article by SkipBreakfast, who nailed it spot on >>

"It just confirms everyones suspicion that Democrats are pro-illegal immigration for the sole purpose of building their voter base.
They do not care what-so-ever about the repercussions of the policy regarding security, crime, strains on welfare, increasing debt, damage to the economy, housing issues, etc... they don't give a damn about America, Americans or their constituency.
They really are a threat to all of us (including themselves)."

 

[MaryL]

Unokatre is a contrarian pretending to fight racism, that's his entire shtick in a nutshell. Facts? Yeah, he always seems to have a poll or statistics to overstep your personal observations, he goes into denial mode and calls personal observation "anecdotal" (this isn't a scientific paper, but I digress)...and it goes on and on. He is a typical brainwashed liberal Californian. "Facts" are the last thing he wants, his agenda is clear.

 

[Unkotare]

...Yeah, he always seems to have a poll or statistics ....

It is noted that you find FACTS so troubling to your prejudice and ONE THOUGHT EVER.