Why do some people get stimulus checks while others only pay for it?

[Papageorgio]

It requires a valid social security number to get a check?

Or an invalid one

now if libs can assure us that prisoners are also barred my day will be complete

Since you asked: Should incarcerated people be receiving stimulus payments?

Some correctional authorities - responding to bad guidance from the IRS - are intercepting and returning stimulus checks for incarcerated people. We explain why people ...

www.prisonpolicy.org

Prisoners are often about to be released...into a devastated economy.

They also have to pay for many of the things you don't even consider and rely on family members who themselves are financially strapped.

And then there's the legal and moral issues of fairness

Legal and moral issues of fairness? I wonder if the criminal worried about issues of fairness on their victims.

 

[bendog]

But I don't know how to end it now without harming kids

We could as a nation stop forgiving the sinful habits of these women who sleep around and get pregnant

or we would limit the welfare payment to one child only

Morality is not the business of the govt. If it were, a lot of rich people would have their estates "appropriated."

But we have created a system whereby unmarried women are actually encouraged to reproduce. And it's not morality so much as perverse social engineering. Generally the women we're talking about are NOT women with a couple or three kids who left a bad relationship. We need to help them ... more. But women who have no skills and want a child to love to gain some worth ... we just perpetuate a cycle of misery. We can try to give them an opportunity to stay in school and learn a trade/profession. But in places like the Mississippi Delta .... no one has an answer. BUT AGAIN THAT HAS NOTHIGN TO DO WITH THE OP. I'm not responding again to an OT post.

 

[Papageorgio]

But I don't know how to end it now without harming kids

We could as a nation stop forgiving the sinful habits of these women who sleep around and get pregnant

or we would limit the welfare payment to one child only

What about the men that will sleep with a girl and then as soon as they discover she is pregnant, take off and don't support their child?

 

[debbiedowner]

How and why do illegals qualify for Covid Relief?

Sen. Cruz tries to block $8 billion in stimulus payments to illegal immigrants - gets rejected as bill passes

Democrats blocked an attempt by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) to amend the relief package to prevent illegal aliens from receiving stimulus checks.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

Both Cruz and Durbin were off a tad. Legally authorized undocumented aliens who are here to work (authorized) to be here and with social security number's are suppose to get one. No TIN numbers will receive one.

 

[Mac-7]

Morality is not the business of the govt. If it were, a lot of rich people would have their estates "appropriated."

No, but the negative consequences of immorality are.

Anything-goes liberal culture creates a problem and then liberals demand massive government spending to deal with the mess they have created

 

[debbiedowner]

but you didn't answer my question which in the end answers the question.

The bill allows prisoners and illegal aliens to get checks

Senate approves barring illegal immigrants from getting stimulus checks | Fox Business

Wait...you mean Trump Humpers were lying about that?

It requires a valid social security number to get a check?

Ohhh

Yep, they are lying as usual.

 

[Mac-7]

What about the men that will sleep with a girl and then as soon as they discover she is pregnant, take off and don't support their child?

I dont know

do you want to send them a check too?

women have always been the gatekeepers of sexual morality

they know what to expect from men

if not from the first dude who got them pregnant then certainly by the second, third or fourth Mr Wunnerful

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

What was Trump doing while all this was going on. He had it in his power to do
something about it, yes? No meowing by you then, yes?

WRONG PROG, don't mistake me for a PROG. In the case of TDS, Trump had to go along with something or he's not re-elected, that's called life. You so easily forget Trump hammered the Demonicrats because their "relief bills" are always stacked with self-serving BS, and for entertaining fucked up PROG-ideologies, such as how to reverse your genitals and why it should be taught in school.

I am for:

A. Temporary small business assistance for only those impacted (INCOME analysis 2018-2020) by COVID, because many were shut down or slowed primarily because of PROGs. Truth of the matter is communists do not desire small business, just as they prefer poor & wealthy class.

B. Temporary person assist. with a cap (INCOME analysis 2018-2020). NONE of the examples in the OP can justify a COVID entitlement, which they or someone else will pay back 10 fold. PROGS are foolish. NOTE: Person A was supposed to read 2019 & 2020, not 2018-2019

C. Temporary large business assistance for only those impacted by COVID (INCOME analysis 2018-2020). Assistance can come in many forms. USA companies only, the rest can fuck off.

D. Temporary $ for playing the COVID game for medicine & vaccines. Temporary kick to Medicaid & Medicare.

E. Temporary added tax on big business & investors profiting highly because of COVID, hello Netflix (OBAMA) & Amazon.

There's your fucking relief package, so fuck off with the other BS, such as research into why you have balls in a foreign country the Xiden people have investments in.

Or we could just open the fuck up, a little temporary assistance and then fuck off already.

 

[Lesh]

if its a question of fairness then the money should go to the victims instead of the convicts

Fairness relates to both. You don't lose all rights (legal or moral) when you commit a crime.

And you dont expect the repubs to make a big deal about such a screwup do you?

But you are now. Partisan much?

 

[Vrenn]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

And both are above the average. But 50% of the workers are well below the average and have been hard hit by Covid in their employment. You seem to leave out half of the population of the United States.

Both?

Do the math on that one. The AVERAGE income for the United States is just over 68K. The Medium Income is just over 64K. What that means is that 50% of the money made are below figure. What it doesn't take into account is, the higher income earners skew those figures because there are fewer of them and make a surprising amount per person.

I have a 39K income. One bunch says it's lower middle class (the rich) while the rest say it's a low income class. I don't have frills and thrills and do okay. I pay cash for almost everything. In 2 months, I will be completely out of debt. And I will have some disposable income. But MOST of the people that live around here make less than that, have car payments, and more. They have zero disposable income.

What seems surprising is, we don't look at those that are the true Conservatives like me and others. We go for the ones that borrow out their asses and spend more than they make. Yes, they do make more but the spend a lot more and are in debt a lot more. And can be purchased a lot more. We need to get some of the lower middle class and lower income bracket people into public service and then remove the temptation from them.

Do things like, if we send a person to Washington for the House or the Senate, provide state paid housing. I don't think it's right for a Congressman to have to live in his office until he can graft enough to afford a decent DC housing. If it were a Corporation that sent a representative, that Corporation would pay for the expenses for the Employee (Congress Critter). Remove the temptation.

Some of the suggested bill is right down that alley. Other parts, not so much. But guess what, the parts that are to remove the "Temptation" will be the first things stripped from it by both parties.

 

[bendog]

So lemme see if I get this right? If a person here illegally is working and paying taxes, he/she can get a stimulus check? I'm against that, but then imo if a person is illegally here and working, they should get fired and deported, OR if they have dependents whom they support, they should get some legal status to keep working, but they shouldn't get citizenship ever, an if there was a way to deny them soc sec and medicare, we should deny them.

 

[pknopp]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

What was Trump doing while all this was going on. He had it in his power to do
something about it, yes? No meowing by you then, yes?

WRONG PROG, don't mistake me for a PROG. In the case of TDS, Trump had to go along with something or he's not re-elected, that's called life.

He lost anyway (and yes he lost) but even then your argument boils down to "winning is more important than what you actually do".

 

[pknopp]

So lemme see if I get this right? If a person here illegally is working and paying taxes, he/she can get a stimulus check? I'm against that, but then imo if a person is illegally here and working, they should get fired and deported, OR if they have dependents whom they support, they should get some legal status to keep working, but they shouldn't get citizenship ever, an if there was a way to deny them soc sec and medicare, we should deny them.

Tell me how this works? How does someone working here illegally get a check? (not the first time I asked)

 

[Vrenn]

So lemme see if I get this right? If a person here illegally is working and paying taxes, he/she can get a stimulus check? I'm against that, but then imo if a person is illegally here and working, they should get fired and deported, OR if they have dependents whom they support, they should get some legal status to keep working, but they shouldn't get citizenship ever, an if there was a way to deny them soc sec and medicare, we should deny them.

You just summed up the legalities. The law won't allow the illegal to work legally and won't allow him to file for citizenship without going home for a 5 year period. But there are some exceptions to that rule and that is what DACA is all about. The adults that made the choice to jump the border and hide should NEVER get citizenship nor have any of the Benefits of the US Citizens or Legal Workers. And they don't. And the employers that employ them needs to be busted, either fined until they are out of business or sent to prison AND the illegals needs to be deported after they are documented.

 

[DrLove]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

A correction. It is 75,000 in adjusted gross not 70. And then it phases down to zero for those making a hundred grand.

In the $1.9 trillion relief package under debate, the federal government is set to pay out $1,400 to individual Americans making less than $75,000 and $2,800 to couples earning less than $150,000 in adjusted gross income (AGI). In the House version of the legislation passed on Saturday, stimulus payments would begin to phase out after those thresholds, stopping completely for individuals making $100,000 or more and couples earning $200,000 or more.​

Senate Democratsâ plan to curb eligibility for third stimulus check cuts off 12 million adults

Some Senate Democrats have proposed curbing eligibility for a third stimulus check. But that means about 12 million American adults will lose out.

www.cnbc.com

As for your other scenarios, if a guy is making 50 bucks an hour and they have a choice, it is nearly impossible to believe they would choose to work only part time. And almost NOBODY makes more on unemployment then they would working even at only $7.25 an hour. That would be $290 per week compared to the $151 they'd be making on unemployment. This right wing talking point that people are lazy and don't want to work is not true all or even most of the time as they suggest.

So EVERY Republicans voted against this bill, even though 3 out of 4 Americans support it. That makes no sense. Democrats can make serious hay of this stupidity considering Donnie's tax cut for Paris Hilton was 400 Billion more expensive and received 100% support from Republicans. Doesn't square.

 

[AntonToo]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism

Fess up, did such thoughts ever enter your head when Trump was stamping his name on the last 2 rounds of direct transfer payments?

 

[Rye Catcher]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

Your biases are noted, the facts are much different than your fantasies.

Here's how much the average American earns at every age

The average full-time American worker earns an annual salary of $44,720, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. But age and skills set American workers apart — young workers make far less than the national average. Salaries increase roughly 80% during the first two decades in the workforce.

www.businessinsider.com

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A profile of the working poor, 2018 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

This report summarizes data on the working poor. The working poor are people who spent at least 27 weeks in the labor force(thatis, working or looking for work) but whose incomes still fell below the official poverty level.

www.bls.gov

It's people like you, the ignorant and biased, those who pollute social media with foolish claims; they're are too lazy to research what you and they have been told what to believe and echo the Propaganda on Fox and the charlatans' on AM Radio.

 

[Lesh]

Do the math on that one. The AVERAGE income for the United States is just over 68K. The Medium Income is just over 64K.

That's per FAMILY not per worker

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

And both are above the average. But 50% of the workers are well below the average and have been hard hit by Covid in their employment. You seem to leave out half of the population of the United States.

Both?

Do the math on that one. The AVERAGE income for the United States is just over 68K. The Medium Income is just over 64K. What that means is that 50% of the money made are below figure. What it doesn't take into account is, the higher income earners skew those figures because there are fewer of them and make a surprising amount per person.

I have a 39K income. One bunch says it's lower middle class (the rich) while the rest say it's a low income class. I don't have frills and thrills and do okay. I pay cash for almost everything. In 2 months, I will be completely out of debt. And I will have some disposable income. But MOST of the people that live around here make less than that, have car payments, and more. They have zero disposable income.

What seems surprising is, we don't look at those that are the true Conservatives like me and others. We go for the ones that borrow out their asses and spend more than they make. Yes, they do make more but the spend a lot more and are in debt a lot more. And can be purchased a lot more. We need to get some of the lower middle class and lower income bracket people into public service and then remove the temptation from them.

Do things like, if we send a person to Washington for the House or the Senate, provide state paid housing. I don't think it's right for a Congressman to have to live in his office until he can graft enough to afford a decent DC housing. If it were a Corporation that sent a representative, that Corporation would pay for the expenses for the Employee (Congress Critter). Remove the temptation.

Some of the suggested bill is right down that alley. Other parts, not so much. But guess what, the parts that are to remove the "Temptation" will be the first things stripped from it by both parties.

That's key, I mean staying on top of debt and get rid of it, permanent. Ideally try to find property if you don't already. First thing I did out of the gate and I never looked back. I don't earn much income on paper, never did. No State Income tax yet, surely the left is trying to change that. Income is just one piece, 39K gets you a one bedroom apt. with five roommates in San Francisco, perhaps buys you a house at some point in Memphis, Tennessee.

I don't understand your point about Congress, don't feel sorry for any of them. They receive per Diem for example, people rent their homes and such to them, they have no gripes. That said, I'd be thrilled to see the PRIVATE SECTOR build those fuckers a moderate apartment complex smack in the middle the shitty city they've built, and cut per diem to ZERO. Park that fucker next to a tent city for DC's homeless and illegals.

 

[DrLove]

No, that is not how you understand it. It's how you simply made crap up.

So no illegal aliens or persons in prison will get the checks?

Few if any that is correct. 95% of illegals don't pay federal taxes. They fly under the radar. If they don't file, they won't get a check.