Why do some people get stimulus checks while others only pay for it?

[Lesh]

I wonder if poor ppl know the guy that hired them is closing soon lol

The Covid Relief Bill will keep those businesses OPEN

 

[pknopp]

but you didn't answer my question which in the end answers the question.

The bill allows prisoners and illegal aliens to get checks

Prisoners got checks under Trump also and you never did explain how illegals are going to get them.

 

[Mac-7]

I don't think Mac was being disengenuous. As the link said, some dems were for illegal aliens getting checks.

Thank you.

I found a link from the 6th that said all the amendments were voted down

but you link was from the 8th

anyway all the reporters were trained in the journalism schools and tend to be rather sloppy with their details

Dems Agree to Provide 'COVID Relief' Checks to Prisoners and Illegal Aliens

Geez.

townhall.com

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The US doesn't pay bills anymore. They have their own money printers, the feds, to dole out the goods. Have fun while you can because the party aint gonna last too much longer.

 

[Mac-7]

Prisoners got checks under Trump also

I didnt know that

as the “loyal opposition” libs should have raised a stink about that at the time

except that the left was all for the idea

or maybe it was an honest mistake under trump and repubs were trying to correct it the next time around

 

[AFrench2]

At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.

*Checks notes* the election is not for another 4 years. And the COVID spending was started by a Republican administration.

 

[Lesh]

It requires a valid social security number to get a check?

Or an invalid one

now if libs can assure us that prisoners are also barred my day will be complete

Since you asked: Should incarcerated people be receiving stimulus payments?

Some correctional authorities - responding to bad guidance from the IRS - are intercepting and returning stimulus checks for incarcerated people. We explain why people ...

www.prisonpolicy.org

Prisoners are often about to be released...into a devastated economy.

They also have to pay for many of the things you don't even consider and rely on family members who themselves are financially strapped.

And then there's the legal and moral issues of fairness

 

[Lesh]

Prisoners got checks under Trump also

I didnt know that

as the “loyal opposition” libs should have raised a stink about that at the time

except that the left was all for the idea

or maybe it was an honest mistake under trump and repubs were trying to correct it the next time around

So you only raise issues like this when Dems are in office?

I see...

 

[bendog]

I wonder if poor ppl know the guy that hired them is closing soon lol

The Covid Relief Bill will keep those businesses OPEN

Your post sort of ties into my question about the bill and being "progressive" as a reason for the gop to vote against it. Yeah the bill is a progressive bill: it sends more money to consumers/workers than employers/landlords .... but it actually sends more to mom and pops as opposed to large employers than did McConnell and Trump. And what fundametally is wrong with a progressive bill? A supply side tax cut would be at the best useless right now. If people can't afford to buy stuff, why produce it?

I just don't see what ideologically there is to be opposed. Child tax credit ... well, parents have had to stay home so ..... the tax credit makes some logical sense. Expanded healthcare support .... well, if you lost your job you lost healthcare unless you got on medicaid. Some of the $1400 checks no doubt go to people who didn't lose jobs or at least income. How many, I have no idea ... haven't seen it. But assuming you accept that direct cash stimulus is good thing at the present time, how else could it possibly be targeted to the people who were negatively affected AND who will spend it?

If the gop senators were honestly saying "there's enough already appropriated" I'd disagree on economic grounds, but I'd see their point. But instead it just seems to me that McConnell is again playing the partisan card to derail a president. I hope he retires soon.

 

[Funwithfacts]

I wonder if poor ppl know the guy that hired them is closing soon lol

The Covid Relief Bill will keep those businesses OPEN

Who pays there real estate taxes when it glows up in a couple of years? Or the inflation it will create?

 

[Mac-7]

And then there's the legal and moral issues of fairness

if its a question of fairness then the money should go to the victims instead of the convicts

 

[pknopp]

Prisoners got checks under Trump also

I didnt know that

as the “loyal opposition” libs should have raised a stink about that at the time

except that the left was all for the idea

or maybe it was an honest mistake under trump and repubs were trying to correct it the next time around

"The left, the left, the left.".

A simple "sorry, I didn't know that" would have sufficed.

It wasn't "the left" complaining. It was you.

 

[Mac-7]

I wonder if poor ppl know the guy that hired them is closing soon lol

The Covid Relief Bill will keep those businesses OPEN

Your post sort of ties into my question about the bill and being "progressive" as a reason for the gop to vote against it. Yeah the bill is a progressive bill: it sends more money to consumers/workers than employers/landlords .... but it actually sends more to mom and pops as opposed to large employers than did McConnell and Trump. And what fundametally is wrong with a progressive bill? A supply side tax cut would be at the best useless right now. If people can't afford to buy stuff, why produce it?

I just don't see what ideologically there is to be opposed. Child tax credit ... well, parents have had to stay home so ..... the tax credit makes some logical sense. Expanded healthcare support .... well, if you lost your job you lost healthcare unless you got on medicaid. Some of the $1400 checks no doubt go to people who didn't lose jobs or at least income. How many, I have no idea ... haven't seen it. But assuming you accept that direct cash stimulus is good thing at the present time, how else could it possibly be targeted to the people who were negatively affected AND who will spend it?

If the gop senators were honestly saying "there's enough already appropriated" I'd disagree on economic grounds, but I'd see their point. But instead it just seems to me that McConnell is again playing the partisan card to derail a president. I hope he retires soon.

Do the mom’s (often single) get paid for every child they produce?

 

[Mac-7]

So you only raise issues like this when Dems are in office?

I didnt know that convicts got checks

And you dont expect the repubs to make a big deal about such a screwup do you?

that is why we have a “ loyal” opposition and why driving one side out of the public square is such a bad idea

but dems apparent arent ashamed of rewarding murderers and rapists

 

[Papageorgio]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

No one, pays for it.....today. Not even the richest, it's borrowed.

This country will pay later and we better hope our grandchildren, great grandchildren aren't too much in poverty.

 

[bendog]

I wonder if poor ppl know the guy that hired them is closing soon lol

The Covid Relief Bill will keep those businesses OPEN

Your post sort of ties into my question about the bill and being "progressive" as a reason for the gop to vote against it. Yeah the bill is a progressive bill: it sends more money to consumers/workers than employers/landlords .... but it actually sends more to mom and pops as opposed to large employers than did McConnell and Trump. And what fundametally is wrong with a progressive bill? A supply side tax cut would be at the best useless right now. If people can't afford to buy stuff, why produce it?

I just don't see what ideologically there is to be opposed. Child tax credit ... well, parents have had to stay home so ..... the tax credit makes some logical sense. Expanded healthcare support .... well, if you lost your job you lost healthcare unless you got on medicaid. Some of the $1400 checks no doubt go to people who didn't lose jobs or at least income. How many, I have no idea ... haven't seen it. But assuming you accept that direct cash stimulus is good thing at the present time, how else could it possibly be targeted to the people who were negatively affected AND who will spend it?

If the gop senators were honestly saying "there's enough already appropriated" I'd disagree on economic grounds, but I'd see their point. But instead it just seems to me that McConnell is again playing the partisan card to derail a president. I hope he retires soon.

Do the mom’s (often single) get paid for every child they produce?

Well yeah, if they're poor enough. It was part of the great society failure. But I don't know how to end it now without harming kids, and I don't see what it has to do with the stimulus bill ... unless you're referring to families with an illegal immigrant parent getting aid tied to a child who is a US citizen

 

[Votto]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

Did you have the same issue with the cares act, that was limited to people making less than $75,000?

What about the $2 trillion cost of Dotard's tax cuts?

Economics is a man made construct... With that it comes with flaws...

We have deemed people's value to a community by the supply and demand of work. So a stock broker running out a building in 911 is worth 10 times the firefighter going into a building...

This is a man made system... Some people want to believe that it is flawless and that accumulation of individual wealth by hard work, luck or inheritance represents a persons's worth to a society.

This was tried for centuries and it was discovered that this doesn't benefit community at large as the rich have the access and influence to just make them more powerful.

Today the GOP are representing the powerful and if the rich due well there wealth with "trickle down"... There is no real place in history that shows this to be true...

Democrats (which would be center right party) have fought against this domination of a ruling class.


So we get to this... This bill is $1.2 trillion. A vast majority is to many people who make less than $75k a year... Trump's Tax Cut gave 83% of the money to the top 1%, annual income of at least $421,926.....
All the money is borrowed so could any reborn deficit hawks please stop it....

The question is which is better for the US people and the US economy? Where is it better for the US to put its money?

Democrats are center right.....you're silly.

Of what, Marx?

LMAO!

 

[Mac-7]

But I don't know how to end it now without harming kids

We could as a nation stop forgiving the sinful habits of these women who sleep around and get pregnant

or we would limit the welfare payment to one child only

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

And both are above the average. But 50% of the workers are well below the average and have been hard hit by Covid in their employment. You seem to leave out half of the population of the United States.

Both?

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?

Did you have the same issue with the cares act, that was limited to people making less than $75,000?

What about the $2 trillion cost of Dotard's tax cuts?

I see, point your finger at the other

There has to be some sort of cut off based on income.

No, there doesn't.