Why do some people get stimulus checks while others only pay for it?

WTH_Progs?

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
 
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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.
And both are above the average. But 50% of the workers are well below the average and have been hard hit by Covid in their employment. You seem to leave out half of the population of the United States.
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
Did you have the same issue with the cares act, that was limited to people making less than $75,000?

What about the $2 trillion cost of Dotard's tax cuts?
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
Did you have the same issue with the cares act, that was limited to people making less than $75,000?

What about the $2 trillion cost of Dotard's tax cuts?
Economics is a man made construct... With that it comes with flaws...

We have deemed people's value to a community by the supply and demand of work. So a stock broker running out a building in 911 is worth 10 times the firefighter going into a building...

This is a man made system... Some people want to believe that it is flawless and that accumulation of individual wealth by hard work, luck or inheritance represents a persons's worth to a society.

This was tried for centuries and it was discovered that this doesn't benefit community at large as the rich have the access and influence to just make them more powerful.

Today the GOP are representing the powerful and if the rich due well there wealth with "trickle down"... There is no real place in history that shows this to be true...

Democrats (which would be center right party) have fought against this domination of a ruling class.


So we get to this... This bill is $1.2 trillion. A vast majority is to many people who make less than $75k a year... Trump's Tax Cut gave 83% of the money to the top 1%, annual income of at least $421,926.....
All the money is borrowed so could any reborn deficit hawks please stop it....

The question is which is better for the US people and the US economy? Where is it better for the US to put its money?
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
Not to mention all the businesses that got the 30000 dollar government handout and just spent it.
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
Because both parties have been trying to destroy the Middle Class for some time now.

Marx said it was necessary.
 

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There has to be some sort of cut off based on income.
 

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Why do some people get stimulus checks while others only pay for it?-WTH_Progs

Because we live in a society.
 

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We are $28 trillion in debt. People aren't paying. If we don't have to pay for war and corporate welfare why do we need to pay for stimulus anyway?
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
Did you have the same issue with the cares act, that was limited to people making less than $75,000?

What about the $2 trillion cost of Dotard's tax cuts?
Economics is a man made construct... With that it comes with flaws...

We have deemed people's value to a community by the supply and demand of work. So a stock broker running out a building in 911 is worth 10 times the firefighter going into a building...

This is a man made system... Some people want to believe that it is flawless and that accumulation of individual wealth by hard work, luck or inheritance represents a persons's worth to a society.

This was tried for centuries and it was discovered that this doesn't benefit community at large as the rich have the access and influence to just make them more powerful.

Today the GOP are representing the powerful and if the rich due well there wealth with "trickle down"... There is no real place in history that shows this to be true...

Democrats (which would be center right party) have fought against this domination of a ruling class.


So we get to this... This bill is $1.2 trillion. A vast majority is to many people who make less than $75k a year... Trump's Tax Cut gave 83% of the money to the top 1%, annual income of at least $421,926.....
All the money is borrowed so could any reborn deficit hawks please stop it....

The question is which is better for the US people and the US economy? Where is it better for the US to put its money?
Democrats are center right.....you're silly.
 
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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
No one, pays for it.....today. Not even the richest, it's borrowed.
 

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At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
"At this point"?
At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
And conditioning the public to demand a government handout
At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
Yeah, nothing like the CARES act passed last year, with a $500 billion corporate trust fund, set aside by Mnuchin to be distributed at his discretion, recipients to be revealed in 6 months, 6 months ago.....................crickets.
 

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We are $28 trillion in debt. People aren't paying. If we don't have to pay for war and corporate welfare why do we need to pay for stimulus anyway?
People are PAYING. Not all of us are welfare hos..........There is to much spending--or should I say redistributing money to useful idiots who think that people don't pay in and yes to funnel money around so the billionaires get richer...
 

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At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
"At this point"?
At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
And conditioning the public to demand a government handout
At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
Yeah, nothing like the CARES act passed last year, with a $500 billion corporate trust fund, set aside by Mnuchin to be distributed at his discretion, recipients to be revealed in 6 months, 6 months ago.....................crickets.
from Forbes:
  • Large corporations: $500 billion will be allotted to provide loans, loan guarantees, and other investments, these will be overseen by a Treasury Department inspector general. These loans will not exceed five years and cannot be forgiven. Airlines will receive $50 billion (of the $500 billion) for passenger air carriers, and $8 billion for cargo air carriers.
Blindly hating corporations is not the answer

I was against all covid relief

a better idea is to reopen the economy and put Americans back to work

the current relief bill as I understand it will give money to upillegal sliens and murderers and rapists in prison

this is totally insane
 

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We are $28 trillion in debt. People aren't paying. If we don't have to pay for war and corporate welfare why do we need to pay for stimulus anyway?
People are PAYING. Not all of us are welfare hos..........There is to much spending--or should I say redistributing money to useful idiots who think that people don't pay in and yes to funnel money around so the billionaires get richer...
Stop the welfare for the billionaires and I'll stop supporting it for all.

Think it will happen?
 

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At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
"At this point"?
At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
And conditioning the public to demand a government handout
At this point all covid spending is about buying votes.
Yeah, nothing like the CARES act passed last year, with a $500 billion corporate trust fund, set aside by Mnuchin to be distributed at his discretion, recipients to be revealed in 6 months, 6 months ago.....................crickets.
from Forbes:
  • Large corporations: $500 billion will be allotted to provide loans, loan guarantees, and other investments, these will be overseen by a Treasury Department inspector general. These loans will not exceed five years and cannot be forgiven. Airlines will receive $50 billion (of the $500 billion) for passenger air carriers, and $8 billion for cargo air carriers.
Blindly hating corporations is not the answer

I was against all covid relief

a better idea is to reopen the economy and put Americans back to work

the current relief bill as I understand it will give money to upillegal sliens and murderers and rapists in prison

this is totally insane
No, that is not how you understand it. It's how you simply made crap up.
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
What was Trump doing while all this was going on. He had it in his power to do
something about it, yes? No meowing by you then, yes?
 

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