Why do some people get stimulus checks while others only pay for it?

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I'm against DACA too. I'm ok with the guys who came here as kids staying, but not as citizens, and imo a federal law should deny them ANY eligibility for college assistance. But if anyone is here legally, then they should be eligible for stimulus checks.

I realize this is about stimulus, and not immigration law or judgments about right and wrong. I just think anything we do, should discourage illegal immigration as much as possible. jmo. If illegal immigrants have suckier lives without stimulus benefits .... the harm to the econ is worth the benefit, imo.
 

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Fairness relates to both. You don't lose all rights (legal or moral) when you commit a crime.
I dont think criminals deserve fairness equal to the people they murdered or the women they raped
 

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It requires a valid social security number to get a check?
Or an invalid one

now if libs can assure us that prisoners are also barred my day will be complete

Prisoners are often about to be released...into a devastated economy.

They also have to pay for many of the things you don't even consider and rely on family members who themselves are financially strapped.

And then there's the legal and moral issues of fairness
And prisoners have to apply. Most of them don't.
 

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Fairness relates to both. You don't lose all rights (legal or moral) when you commit a crime.
I dont think criminals deserve fairness equal to the people they murdered or the women they raped
This is a states issue, not a Federal one. And no Bill,Law or EO should stand that addresses this one way or another from the Federal Government.
 

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Few if any that is correct. 95% of illegals don't pay federal taxes. They fly under the radar. If they don't file, they won't get a check.
Reportedly the senate nixed checks for illegal aliens

if we know who they are illegals sould get a free ride to their nation of origin
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
A correction. It is 75,000 in adjusted gross not 70. And then it phases down to zero for those making a hundred grand.

In the $1.9 trillion relief package under debate, the federal government is set to pay out $1,400 to individual Americans making less than $75,000 and $2,800 to couples earning less than $150,000 in adjusted gross income (AGI). In the House version of the legislation passed on Saturday, stimulus payments would begin to phase out after those thresholds, stopping completely for individuals making $100,000 or more and couples earning $200,000 or more.​


As for your other scenarios, if a guy is making 50 bucks an hour and they have a choice, it is nearly impossible to believe they would choose to work only part time. And almost NOBODY makes more on unemployment then they would working even at only $7.25 an hour. That would be $290 per week compared to the $151 they'd be making on unemployment. This right wing talking point that people are lazy and don't want to work is not true all or even most of the time as they suggest.

So EVERY Republicans voted against this bill, even though 3 out of 4 Americans support it. That makes no sense. Democrats can make serious hay of this stupidity considering Donnie's tax cut for Paris Hilton was 400 Billion more expensive and received 100% support from Republicans. Doesn't square.
I actually know people who got laid off prior to August last year who did make more off of state and the federal "bonus" UI than they did working. I'm not complaining. Those folks who got "bonus time" will probably never see the job being the same, or it'll take at least a year, even if it comes back.
 

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Few if any that is correct. 95% of illegals don't pay federal taxes. They fly under the radar. If they don't file, they won't get a check.
Reportedly the senate nixed checks for illegal aliens

if we know who they are illegals sould get a free ride to their nation of origin
We know where they are. Business needs them there though.
 

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This is a states issue, not a Federal one. And no Bill,Law or EO should stand that addresses this one way or another from the Federal Government.
The checks are coming from the federal government
 

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We know where they are. Business needs them there though.
Liberals travel en mass but speak with forked tongues

sometimes you blame employers for hiring illegals then turn around and claim they need the illegals

which is it?
 

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Few if any that is correct. 95% of illegals don't pay federal taxes. They fly under the radar. If they don't file, they won't get a check.
Reportedly the senate nixed checks for illegal aliens

if we know who they are illegals sould get a free ride to their nation of origin
I think my link was partially incorrect. IF a person actually filed and paid tax, they get the stimulus. Even if they are illegally here. I'm not sure how or why anyone not legally here should get any tax refund or stimulus. I subscribe to the whack a mole view. If they popup, whack em. Ship em out, or give them some legal status that still keeps them from getting as many benefits as possible while they pay taxes.

I found this link
Fact check: Stimulus checks bill aids some undocumented immigrants (usatoday.com)

It's wrong to cut off body parts, and for some reason we can't put them in stocks for days at a time to suffer physically and mentally. IF they have kids they don't support, then we should air drop them back
 

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We know where they are. Business needs them there though.
Liberals travel en mass but speak with forked tongues

sometimes you blame employers for hiring illegals then turn around and claim they need the illegals

which is it?
You understand. You are simply unable to address it.
 

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This is a states issue, not a Federal one. And no Bill,Law or EO should stand that addresses this one way or another from the Federal Government.
The checks are coming from the federal government
So what? What does that have to do whether a convicted felon that has paid his time should get one or not. That's up to the State whether all rights have been return to the felon. If all rights have been returned to the felon by the state, he should receive everything everyone else gets.
 

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Couldn't you make the point this is worse than Welfare? How about socialism by leveling the playing fields affecting the poor and middle class only? That is unless you're dumb enough to believe the very wealthy pay for something. They sure as fuck don't, only the middle class and poor do. Consider this:

Person A earned 30K in 2018. They rec'd a big raise in 2019, and earned 50K. What an improvement and the future looks bright, and they're also eligible for a COVID entitlement just cuz.

Person B earned 70K in 2019, so they're not eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person C earns more on unemployment than they did working, and received $3K more income for the year 2019. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

Person D
only likes to work part-time @ $50 an hour. Eligible for a COVID entitlement.

All will pay principle & interest & more (e.g., inflation & higher taxes) for "entitlements" of which only three receive benefit.

Also, which of those four scenarios deserves a COVID entitlement and why?
Because both parties have been trying to destroy the Middle Class for some time now.

Marx said it was necessary.
I agree that Marx said destruction of Middle Class was necessary. Many Socialist models subscribe to the same notion. But, if, as you say, BOTH parties are trying to destroy the Middle Class, I would say Democrat policies do so on a comparatively larger scale. Under Democrat tax plans, the Middle Class keeps LESS of its paycheck; paying more in taxes despite Democrat promises that Middle Class earners won't pay more in taxes. Look at Obama-Biden promise of 2008 that anyone making less than $250,000, would not pay more in taxes? Didn't happen. Contrast that with the Trump tax reform that yielded an outcome of Middle Class keeping more of its paycheck. How about healthcare policies of Democrats? The Middle Class pays more. Energy policies? Democrats' push for elimination of fossil fuels in the absence of viable alternatives to at least sustain the economy of fossil fuels results in the Middle Class paying more in gasoline prices. Egregious regulation and taxes aimed at Small Business definitely hurts the Middle Class as nearly most small business owners and all small business employees are Middle Class.

Comparatively, how is the Republican Party hurting the Middle Class?
 

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It's wrong to cut off body parts, and for some reason we can't put them in stocks for days at a time to suffer physically and mentally. IF they have kids they don't support, then we should air drop them back
We could deport them

in fact thats what we should do to every mole we discover
 

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So what? What does that have to do whether a convicted felon that has paid his time should get one or not.
If he is still on prison he has not paid his time

he is entitled to nothing

and after he gets out any helicopter money from the feds should go as restitution to his victims
 

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You understand. You are simply unable to address it.
I understand your duplicity on the issues

when we argue for a border wall and, same-day deportations, ect you blather about the evil employers who hire illegals


but when the suggestion is deporting illegals already here you tell how much the dear old employers need the illegal workers
 

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But I don't know how to end it now without harming kids
We could as a nation stop forgiving the sinful habits of these women who sleep around and get pregnant

or we would limit the welfare payment to one child only
Dude... what century do you think this is?
 

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You understand. You are simply unable to address it.
I understand your duplicity on the issues

when we argue for a border wall and, same-day deportations, ect you blather about the evil employers who hire illegals


but when the suggestion is deporting illegals already here you tell how much the dear old employers need the illegal workers
Nobody is deporting the work force. Suggest it all day, it's not going to happen.
 

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Our household income was above the cutoff amount for the last two "stimulus" and will be for the one they are considering now.

So once again we are paying for all you welfare queen weenies.
WE?

How fucking rich are you?

The cutoff is really not very high.
That puts you in what? The top 5% of income earners?

And you're bitching about helping out nearly the entire nation?

Whatrya a conservative or something?

Fuck you welfare queens. You little greedy shitheads think that other people should work to pay your bills.

How about paying your own bills?
 

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