Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?

[Robert W]

Yet, when I point out the socialism of WWII when FDR took over all production you claim that is not socialism

You are correct that is socialism. I agree with you in this instance.

 

[rightwinger]

The Luftwaffe never had aerial superiority. They rarely had aerial parity. With Radar, the British could concentrate their fighters to meet raids.

They had air superiority at Dunkirk and let it slip away

 

[meaner gene]

They did destroy the luftwaffe over England otherwise the Germans would have continued but they couldn't sustain the level of losses, give your head a shake.

This is where math is fundamental.
The Luftwaffe lost ten times as many planes in the battle on the eastern front, than in the battle of Britain.

 

[westwall]

They did destroy the luftwaffe over England otherwise the Germans would have continued but they couldn't sustain the level of losses, give your head a shake.

No, they pulled the Luftwaffe out because they were launching Barbarossa.

 

[rightwinger]

No, they pulled the Luftwaffe out because they were launching Barbarossa.

They went more to V1 and V2 rockets

 

[westwall]

Allowed for reorganization of government agencies and corporations as needed for wartime efficiency.

The government could "reorganize" corporations.

That's telling corporations what to do.

Like telling Fords automobile division to stop making cars, and instead start making planes.,
To tell Singer to stop making sewing machines, and start making guns.

The government turned the means of production into puppets, doing the will of the government.

GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. Ford did what they did because of MONEY.

About the only socialist thing the US did was rationing, which was found to be a useless nuisance.

 

[rightwinger]

GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. Ford did what they did because of MONEY.

About the only socialist thing the US did was rationing, which was found to be a useless nuisance.

Ford was not given the option of airplanes or passenger cars
They would not get any of the raw materials to build cars even if they wanted to

 

[meaner gene]

GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. Ford did what they did because of MONEY.

About the only socialist thing the US did was rationing, which was found to be a useless nuisance.

Government Order L-98

: In June 1942, the U.S. government issued order L-98, which halted the production of non-essential items like family sewing machines.


The government told American corporations what they could or could not manufacture.

In essence, controlling the means of production.

Let that definition and reality sink in.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They had air superiority at Dunkirk and let it slip away

For primarily the same reason the RAF had it over England. Both the Bf-109 and Spitfire were short ranged interceptors and operating at the very limit of their endurance over enemy shores.

 

[AZrailwhale]

They went more to V1 and V2 rockets

Because bombers couldn't survive over England. Before the V-1 was designed the Germans were making what the British called "tip and run" raids, a pair or section of fighter bombers making a high-speed, low-level attack then fleeing over the channel to safety before RAF fighter could be vectored onto them by Chain Home. The V-2s cost more to produce and operate than the cost of the damage they did to the British.

 

[westwall]

Government Order L-98

: In June 1942, the U.S. government issued order L-98, which halted the production of non-essential items like family sewing machines.


The government told American corporations what they could or could not manufacture.

In essence, controlling the means of production.

Let that definition and reality sink in.

But it allowed the continuing manufacture of parts to keep existing radios and sewing machines operational. So only partially controlled. They never completely halted the production of anything.

The direction of essential materials to war making operations certainly made things difficult, and there were no new radios being made because they were making military radios.

The typewriter companies were making machine guns, the sewing machine companies were making parts for machine guns.

It was simply far more profitable to be engaged in war work, than civilian work.

 

[westwall]

They went more to V1 and V2 rockets

Not for four more years. June of 1944 was the first V1 launch.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That is the way it works today

In WWII, the government told companies what they could produce for the war effort. Consumer goods were not allowed.
You couldn’t call it total socialism
But it was far from Capitalism

BS! Provide a link.

 

[AZrailwhale]

BS! Provide a link.

The War Production Board probably exercised more control than was desirable. Yes it optimized production of proven weapons and equipment but it stifled necessary improvements like the P-38K powered by Merlin engines and instigated the emasculated version of the M-1 76mm gun which could have been as good as the 17 pounders if they hadn't cut feet off the barrel rather than modify the balance weights in the turret. It kept proven weapons in production long after they should have been replaced.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The War Production Board probably exercised more control than was desirable. Yes it optimized production of proven weapons and equipment but it stifled necessary improvements like the P-38K powered by Merlin engines and instigated the emasculated version of the M-1 76mm gun which could have been as good as the 17 pounders if they hadn't cut feet off the barrel rather than modify the balance weights in the turret. It kept proven weapons in production long after they should have been replaced.

That has to be most amatuerish attempt to back up your ridiculous claim. First, you didn't include a link to the information and second, modifying weapons is standard procedure for government contracts. I think you should know, if you didn't already, you are arguing with a person with a degree in hisory and served in the military. I was also a defense contractor.

 

[Deadstick]

This is where math is fundamental.
The Luftwaffe lost ten times as many planes in the battle on the eastern front, than in the battle of Britain.

My particular point was specifically about the Battle of Britain, maybe i should have made it clearer.
Some people are also unaware of the SAS and Long range Desert Group in North Africa which destroyed 367 German aircraft on the ground, one famous raid was the attack on the German Sidi Haneish airfield where they destroyed 37 aircraft in one night and supplies like fuel etc, the base was about 235 miles South West of Cairo in Egypt, in that particular operation they used Jeeps armed with twin Vickers Machine guns usually used of British fighter aircraft like the Spitfire.

 

[rightwinger]

BS! Provide a link.

Sorry Skipper

But I can’t believe you are that naive
Hard to believe you claim to be a teacher

Scary

 

[Robert W]

Sorry Skipper

But I can’t believe you are that naive
Hard to believe you claim to be a teacher

Scary

We find him far more accurate than your simple posts are.

 

[Deadstick]

I just noticed the image of the SAS in Jeeps the guy in the first Jeep is carrying a Sykes Fairbairn Commando Knife they were not for peeling spuds.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sorry Skipper

But I can’t believe you are that naive
Hard to believe you claim to be a teacher

Scary

I was, and I have studied WWII all my life because my father was in it. You can't back up your shit because it is your fantasy view of what actually happened from your leftist beliefs. Now, prove me wrong with a source other than your own rectum!