Zone1 Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?

[sparky]

What do you have faith in? Yourself?

The almighty, not those trying to sell Him ding....~S~

 

[BULLDOG]

There’s your hard physical evidence. The universe popped into existence through paired particle production while violating paired particle production with the only structure of matter that could produce intelligence. It’s no accident.

Lot of coincidences. You should look into that.

 

[alang1216]

Life is unfair. Everyone should expect to make sacrifices. Given that you see no purpose to this, the best you can expect is to suffer without complaint. Whereas I embrace my sacrifices and find peace and joy. That’s a little bit more than optimism.

I don't embrace my suffering, I endeavor to minimize it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

they seem to hate even the idea of God. Many people don't like the idea of being accountable to anyone. And of course, acknowledging that God exists would mean eventually acknowledging that we are accountable for our actions

I believe this is the root. The other things you mentioned are just excuses to justify their choice. "I reject God because those who claim to follow Him are flawed and imperfect "

That ain't gonna hold up on Judgement Day

 

[ding]

That's a very worthy thing too, don't you think?

That all depends on the person. Do they see reality or do they see what they want to see.

 

[ding]

Examples?

An agnostic does not believe it is possible to know or not know of God’s existence.

Your main argument here is that you know the God of Abraham cannot be God. That disqualifies you as being agnostic.

 

[ding]

The almighty, not those trying to sell Him ding....~S~

Who would those people be and what is it that you have faith the almighty will do?

 

[Crepitus]

Atheism is not a monolith, so I'll acknowledge that before it even goes there.

Many though, in my opinion, behave just the way I'm describing. Atheism sometimes feels less like its own worldview and more like a reaction to religion; a counter-brand built against theology rather than something for itself. If faith brings peace and meaning to so many decent people, why disrupt that? Why try to hurt people with what you believe to be a devastating truth? Shouldn't the truth of its devastation trigger your empathy to restrain yourself? Is the pursuit of being right worth more than compassion? Can skepticism coexist with kindness, or does it always have to provoke conflict?

Could we maybe respect belief without surrendering critical thought? What do you think? Is there a middle ground, or is this a cultural war destined to rage forever?

The obsession to prove theists wrong isn’t bravery. It’s insecurity framed as enlightenment, and tribalism framed as skepticism. Why chain others with the burden of your disbelief? If your cause is truth, why inflict suffering in its name? Maybe some people need their faith to survive. Maybe your relentless assault only feeds their fear and resentment.

So what are you really fighting for?

It's not an "attack". Atheists tend to push back when someone pushes religion at them.

 

[ding]

Lot of coincidences. You should look into that.

I have. That’s how I arrived at my conclusion. You haven’t but have been told, so you are without excuse.

 

[ding]

It's not an "attack". Atheists tend to push back when someone pushes religion at them.

So you are shocked that people discuss God in a religious forum?

Nobody is pushing religion on you.

 

[ding]

I don't embrace my suffering, I endeavor to minimize it.

Then you don’t embrace making sacrifices for others. I do.

 

[Anomalism]

That all depends on the person. Do they see reality or do they see what they want to see.

Who decides what reality is in a mortal plane where God doesn't make themselves physically known?

 

[ding]

Who decides what reality is?

Reality

 

[Anomalism]

Reality

Yeah, but that's a concept beyond any of us if you take it to depth.

 

[ding]

Yeah, but that's a concept beyond any of us if you take it to depth.

Not really. God is reality and God provides reality to all places at all times. To see reality one must not have a preference for an outcome. Only then will they be devoid of bias and be able to be objective. You can’t see reality without being objective.

 

[Anomalism]

Not really. God is reality and God provides reality to all places at all times. To see reality one must not have a preference for an outcome. Only then will they be devoid of bias and be able to be objective. You can’t see reality without being objective.

You can never fully perceive reality as a human. Would you agree?

 

[ding]

You can never fully perceive reality as a human. Would you agree?

No. There are lots of things you can and have been objective about. In those instances you did indeed see reality.

 

[ding]

where God doesn't make themselves physically known?

But he has. He was born into this world to testify to the truth and suffer death to reconcile justice with mercy.

 

[Anomalism]

No. There are lots of things you can and have been objective about. In those instances you did indeed see reality.

Right.

We can do our best to be objective and map certain aspects of reality with relative certainly.

God isn't going to tell us what's what though. We have to take risks because of our lack of understanding. We get things wrong. We make mistakes. We're short-sighted sometimes, because we're human, and humans were never built to fully perceive reality. Only a God could do that.

 

[ding]

An important side note on objectivity is that being objective sometimes means facing uncomfortable truths about ourselves and others we care about. But progressing in Christian maturity requires us to face those uncomfortable truths and to make amends.