Zone1 Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?

[Anomalism]

Theists argue desperately from ignorance (logical fallacy) to shift the burden of proof to atheists. Nonetheless, it falls squarely upon those who assert "God exists" (or anything supernatural for that matter, ghosts, spirits..) while supplying zero empirical evidence.

Atheists (and agnostics) assert no such beliefs. They never simply "say no God exists." They assert only their "lack of faith" in such belief systems. Go fish with that BS.

"Don't believe your lying eyes."

A rhetorical sleight of hand. Intellectual posturing where you hide assertion behind denial, then claim the high ground of “neutrality” while still clearly advancing a worldview. “I don’t believe in God” is not a neutral statement if it's immediately followed by “Anyone who does is committing a logical fallacy without providing physical, empirical evidence.” That’s no longer a passive lack of belief. That’s an active rejection and critique of belief. A worldview with its own assumptions. When you say “I assert nothing” but then follow it up like that, you're not being logically consistent or intellectually honest.

You're projecting non-assertion while asserting.

When someone says "You believe something I don’t. Prove it or you're wrong.” That’s not honest skepticism. That’s lazy antagonism framed as philosophy, or put differently, intellectual masturbation. You're accusing them of shifting burden while you dodge your own. You're pretending neutrality while asserting superiority and dismissing their inquiry as flawed without offering substance of your own. That’s not a debate; that’s ego maintenance. If your position needs to hide behind no claim while dismissing others, maybe it’s not the strength of your logic, but the weakness of your faith in it that you’re defending.

 

[Anomalism]

Let's have some numbers. What proportion of atheists behave in just the way you're describing?

I don't know. I've seen quite a number of them, particularly online. Maybe those types are just loud and make themselves seem more numerous than they actually are. Either way, those are the types I'm speaking to.

 

[Anomalism]

Most atheists rarely talk about their lack of faith

Maybe that's true, but I've encountered this type of atheist many times.

And the real truth?

I used to be one myself, until I realized I was being a hypocrite.

 

[Mashmont]

Please present some of your verifiable evidence.

The Catholic Church has legion of canonized Saints, that is, people universally recognized for the good they did. Atheists have no such counterpart. Can anybody think of any atheists who fits that description?

 

[BULLDOG]

The Catholic Church has legion of canonized Saints, that is, people universally recognized for the good they did. Atheists have no such counterpart. Can anybody think of any atheists who fits that description?

You think only Catholics do good? You have to be dead to be canonized, Does that mean there are no good living Catholics?

 

[GLASNOST]

Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?​

They don't attack anyone.

So what are you really fighting for?

If you stop provoking them and trying to convert them and their children they'll just ignore you. So, the question is what are you really fighting for? That's a rhetorical question because the answer is clear: You know that the Bible is a fear-mongering bed-time story and your battle is between you and your conscience. Atheists don't care what you believe. It is you who is frustrated over the fact that Atheists and Agnostics disagree with you and they enjoy more of life. They also don't murder as many people as Theists do.

 

[GLASNOST]

The Catholic Church has legion of canonized Saints, that is, people universally recognized for the good they did.

They elect themselves, including Nazis and pedophiles.

Atheists have no such counterpart. Can anybody think of any atheists who fits that description?

Kevin Bacon
Brad Pitt
James Randii
Cahterine Hepburn
Stephen Hawking
Christopher Hitchens
Richard Dawkins
Bill Maher
Bertrand Russell
George Carlin
Ricky Gervias
Jodie Foster
Morgan Freeman
Angelina Jole
... and many more ....

 

[Mashmont]

You think only Catholics do good? You have to be dead to be canonized, Does that mean there are no good living Catholics?

So again, who are the great atheists well known for the good they did for their fellow man? You can't think of any?

 

[GLASNOST]

There seems to be a level of arrogance among most Atheists I have met. It's almost like the "settled science" crowd that is aghast if anyone holds a differing opinion.

Atheists don't stand on street corners with a megaphone or come knocking on doors intruding people's private homes. THAT is what I call "arrogance".

 

[Mashmont]

They elect themselves, including Nazis and pedophiles.

Kevin Bacon
Brad Pitt
James Randii
Cahterine Hepburn
Stephen Hawking
Christopher Hitchens
Richard Dawkins
Bill Maher
Bertrand Russell
George Carlin
Ricky Gervias
Jodie Foster
Morgan Freeman
Angelina Jole
... and many more ....

This list is a laugh. I'm talking about genuine acts of kindness, generosity, and service to their fellow man, led by an exemplary moral life. Not one is on your list. Not one.

 

[GLASNOST]

So again, who are the great atheists well known for the good they did for their fellow man? You can't think of any?

Atheists recognize "the good done" in anyone deserving it. Christians give recognision only to other Christians.

 

[Mashmont]

They don't attack anyone.

If you stop provoking them and trying to convert them and their children they'll just ignore you. So, the question is what are you really fighting for? That's a rhetorical question because the answer is clear: You know that the Bible is a fear-mongering bed-time story and your battle is between you and your conscience. Atheists don't care what you believe. It is you who is frustrated over the fact that Atheists and Agnostics disagree with you and they enjoy more of life. They also don't murder as many people as Theists do.

I don't know of any atheist who appears happy with their life. They're all angry.

 

[Anomalism]

They don't attack anyone.

If you stop provoking them and trying to convert them and their children they'll just ignore you. So, the question is what are you really fighting for? That's a rhetorical question because the answer is clear: You know that the Bible is a fear-mongering bed-time story and your battle is between you and your conscience. Atheists don't care what you believe. It is you who is frustrated over the fact that Atheists and Agnostics disagree with you and they enjoy more of life. They also don't murder as many people as Theists do.

I'm not religious.

I'll play anyway though.

You've mischaracterized reality. Sure, some religious people are pushy, but to pretend that all the hostility and pushiness only flows in one direction is claiming an undeserved victim status, and I’m not buying it.

Also, if you were truly passive, you wouldn’t be tossing out lines like “atheists enjoy more of life” or “theists murder more.” That’s not neutrality. That’s bias pretending not to be.

 

[Mashmont]

Atheists recognize "the good done" in anyone deserving it. Christians give recognision only to other Christians.

Total nonsense.

 

[GLASNOST]

Catholics elect themselves, including Nazis and pedophiles.

This list is a laugh.

A laugh? Why do so many Catholics seem to want to attack Atheists and Agnostics? Because their conscience is telling them they must eradicate all non-Catholics. It's a sort of Holocaust. ​

 

[GLASNOST]

I'm not religious.

That's not my business. It's your life so it's up to you.

 

[Anomalism]

That's not my business. It's your life so it's up to you.

Oh, thanks.

I only said that because you framed your argument on that assumption.

 

[GLASNOST]

Atheists recognize "the good done" in anyone deserving it. Christians give recognision only to other Christians.

Total nonsense.

You prove my point. Atheists are willing to discuss or even debate if you are capable. But you ......... your response is "total nonsense" without any motivated support. You wrote (above):

"The Catholic Church has legion of canonized Saints, that is, people universally recognized for the good they did."

And who makes up this "universal recognition"? Can you answer that question or are you going to run and hide now?

 

[GLASNOST]

I'm not religious.

That's not my business. It's your life so it's up to you.

Oh, thanks.

Don't thank me. It is my assumption that you are comforatable with your decision. That's a good thing, isn't it?

I only said that because you framed your argument on that assumption.

I have made no assumption. I don't know if you are speaking on your own behalf, on what you think my behalf might be, or anyone else's behalf. It's all good.

 

[Mashmont]

You prove my point. Atheists are willing to discuss or even debate if you are capable. But you ......... your response is "total nonsense" without any motivated support. You wrote (above):

"The Catholic Church has legion of canonized Saints, that is, people universally recognized for the good they did."

And who makes up this "universal recognition"? Can you answer that question or are you going to run and hide now?

lol. It’s nonsense to say Christians only help other Christians. St Mother Teresa helped Indian populations that were almost totally non Christian.
Universal recognition is wide acknowledgement worldwide that someone loved an exemplary moral life and did great humanitarian things to help others. Saying that druggie alkie George Carlin fits that description is laughable. He led more souls to hell than most.

Few agree with the idiocy that some of these Saints were Nazis or pedophiles.