Zone1 Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?

[JanetTheGreat]

That's because you're being honest with yourself.

I hold the view that the organized systems of this world, Government, Religion, and Academia are mostly based in lies and abuse of power. All the justifications, ideological BS they throw into the mix is merely to distract and throw shade at the fact that all sides, all angles are lead by narcissistic jerks who only care for themselves and their personal power.

 

[ding]

In my opinion, Atheism is a reaction to the abuses and gaslighting that has come out of organized religion.

Not only is that a cop out it implies they have no control to do otherwise which I reject.

Blaming others for one’s choices is a textbook example of an external locus of control.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Not only is that a cop out it implies they have no control to do otherwise which I reject.

Blaming others for one’s choices is a textbook example of an external locus of control.

For people who constantly feel the need to prove themselves correct, like a lot of the militant Christians and Athiests - that is saying they do not feel occupied with themselves, and their immediate surroundings, so they project onto things they cannot touch, or have any chance in controlling.

 

[ding]

He can't be measured though, and science requires measurement and mapping. That means God does not exist inside the realm of science. That's not the same as saying God doesn't exist though.

And doesn’t mean he can’t be known through the study of what he created. If you created something and I didn’t know you created it I could still use what you created as evidence to know things about you.

 

[toobfreak]

Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?​

Obvious. Atheism is but a different form of faith-based system--- many people have faith in God--- on faith alone, atheists believe the universe doesn't need a God, so they attack religion because it is a threat to their own ideology.

 

[alang1216]

Atheists are not judging the evidence available when they say no God exists. They are judging lack of evidence.

Yes and no. I've always said I'm an agnostic and an atheist. Since I don't know how the universe was created, I'm agnostic on that. Since I believe I understand how and why man created the gods, I'm an atheist on that.

 

[Anomalism]

And doesn’t mean he can’t be known through the study of what he created. If you created something and I didn’t know you created it I could still use what you created as evidence to know things about you.

It doesn't make God any less real to say he doesn't exist inside science. We are humans. God is God. Our inability to measure him is our problem.

 

[Anomalism]

Yes and no. I've always said I'm an agnostic and an atheist. Since I don't know how the universe was created, I'm agnostic on that. Since I believe I understand how and why man created the gods, I'm an atheist on that.

What if you remove the architecture of Abrahamic belief and consider the possibility that God is a lot more abstract than that?

 

[Unkotare]

"Why do so many atheists seem to want to attack religion?"

The same reason broke lazy bums who can't be bothered to look for a job resent the wealthy.

 

[Votto]

He can't be measured though, and science requires measurement and mapping. That means God does not exist inside the realm of science. That's not the same as saying God doesn't exist though.

Science only concerns itself with the material universe, something God is not confined to.

God is like gravity. There are no particles to measure. In fact, the invisible matrix upon which large massive objects draws other objects into is through empty space. How does that work exactly? Hmm?

All we can do though is observe the effects of the work of gravity as well as that of God.

 

[ding]

so they project onto things they cannot touch, or have any chance in controlling.

I’m not sure I am following you. Can you provide an example so I can better understand what you are saying?

 

[buttercup]

Atheism is not a monolith, so I'll acknowledge that before it even goes there.

Many though, in my opinion, behave just the way I'm describing. Atheism sometimes feels less like its own worldview and more like a reaction to religion; a counter-brand built against theology rather than something for itself. If faith brings peace and meaning to so many decent people, why disrupt that? Why try to hurt people with what you believe to be a devastating truth? Shouldn't the truth of its devastation trigger your empathy to restrain yourself? Is the pursuit of being right worth more than compassion? Can skepticism coexist with kindness, or does it always have to provoke conflict?

Could we maybe respect belief without surrendering critical thought? What do you think? Is there a middle ground, or is this a cultural war destined to rage forever?

The obsession to prove theists wrong isn’t bravery. It’s insecurity framed as enlightenment, and tribalism framed as skepticism. Why chain others with the burden of your disbelief? If your cause is truth, why inflict suffering in its name? Maybe some people need their faith to survive. Maybe your relentless assault only feeds their fear and resentment.

So what are you really fighting for?

Good question. The New Testament says that to unbelievers, the Gospel is "foolishness" (1 Cor 1:18, 1 Cor 2:14) so I think that's one of the reasons atheists attack it.

But I think there are other reasons as well. Some atheists seem to have a lot of anger, and they seem to hate even the idea of God. Many people don't like the idea of being accountable to anyone. And of course, acknowledging that God exists would mean eventually acknowledging that we are accountable for our actions. But also, as someone else mentioned, maybe some of them had a bad experience with organized religion (which is not the same thing as God) or they only look at "religion" and the bad things that certain corrupt churches or individuals have done in the name of religion... which causes them to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There's probably a number of reasons.

 

[Anomalism]

Science only concerns itself with the material universe, something God is not confined to.

Absolutely.

God is like gravity. There are no particles to measure. In fact, the invisible matrix upon which large massive objects draws other objects into is through empty space. How does that work exactly? Hmm?

All we can do though is observe the effects of it's work.

Even gravity can be measured. God is even more abstract than that.

 

[ding]

It doesn't make God any less real to say he doesn't exist inside science. We are humans. God is God. Our inability to measure him is our problem.

I know. My point is that we are without excuse for not knowing God.

 

[Votto]

Absolutely.

Even gravity can be measured. God is even more abstract than that.

You measure the effects of gravity, but not gravity itself. It's like the concept of darkness. There is no such thing as darkness because it does not exist. What does exist though is light which has particles. Darkness is simply a way to describe the absence of those particles. You might even say that the force of gravity is also an absence of what really is.

I in no way mean disrespect to the Almighty by the comparison. Obviously, God is far more.

 

[Anomalism]

The same reason broke lazy bums who can't be bothered to look for a job resent the wealthy.

They're hurt and aren't brave enough to hold themselves accountable?

 

[JanetTheGreat]

I’m not sure I am following you. Can you provide an example so I can better understand what you are saying?

Zealots and Militant Atheists feel the need to "Convert" other people to their side as a way of distracting themselves from their immediate circumstances in life, as they are not occupied with their surroundings.

 

[ding]

Continue

There’s your hard physical evidence. The universe popped into existence through paired particle production while violating paired particle production with the only structure of matter that could produce intelligence. It’s no accident.

 

[Anomalism]

You measure the effects of gravity, but not gravity itself.

If we couldn't measure gravity we never would have put a rover on Mars, or landed a probe on an object flying through space at 34 thousand miles an hour.

We can measure gravity in ways we cannot measure God.

 

[alang1216]

What if you remove the architecture of Abrahamic belief and consider the possibility that God is a lot more abstract than that?

That would be my agnosticism but it only means to me that we know nothing about any such creator of the universe.