Zone1 Why Do Right Wing Whites Have Problems Figuring Out the Solution to Racism?

[Failzero]

How do Marxist Whites convince Minorities that there is no Racism in a Communist World ?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why Do Right Wing Whites Have Problems Figuring Out the Solution to Racism?

Far too many on the racist right don’t believe racism exists.

Even more on the racist right don’t believe racism is a problem that needs to be addressed – opting to remain willfully ignorant of the problem.

Acknowledging the fact of racism runs counter to failed, wrongheaded conservative doctrine and dogma.

 

[Failzero]

Far too many on the racist right don’t believe racism exists.

Even more on the racist right don’t believe racism is a problem that needs to be addressed – opting to remain willfully ignorant of the problem.

Acknowledging the fact of racism runs counter to failed, wrongheaded conservative doctrine and dogma.

The Chinese exemplify Racism with their treatmement
Of the Uighur People

 

[JoeB131]

It all has to do with “equity.” If you can’t bring up the average of a certain group to the average of all Americans, you lower the standards. We have seen this will race-based Affirmative Action in college admissions.

Someone remarked it’s the same thing with socialism. You can’t bring the lower class uo to the middle class, so you bring the middle class down. As Biden said, “Americans have to lower their expectations.”

Works on the assumption that white means superior, which it doesn't.

You whine about Affirmative Action, but you are fine with the legacies and Dean's Interest and Family admissions that overwhelmingly favor white people. The entire Varsity Blues scandal shows what a farce college admissions are when some rich people could pay test proctors, admissions officials, to create fake qualifications for their kids.

No worry, though. the Actress who played Aunt Becky spent a whole 11 days in a Club Fed.
Meanwhile, the poor black woman who lied about her address to get her kid out of the school where kids were being shot got five years.

I‘ve done this in my own life as the Dems keep spending, thus increasing inflation and causing the stock market to drop. Whereas I used to go on luxury cruises populated by professionals, I now go on “mainstream” cruises with the working class, since my investments have dropped by a third and I am watching my outflow. More “equity.”

Oh, noes, Really? Funny thing, I'm making more money this year than I ever had in my life. True, I don't have time to go on luxury cruises, I'm too busy working. The horror, money is being shifted from the investor class to the working class, and you are horrified.

Some people might not. Know what you mean, but I do. And based on the anti-white racism sweeping the country, you might not be far off.

Funny, I'm about as pasty white as you get, and I really haven't seen any of this "anti-white" racism. True, I did miss out on an opportunity because of affirmative action hire, but I had so many other opportunities.

 

[JoeB131]

The Chinese exemplify Racism with their treatmement
Of the Uighur People

You mean the Muslim terrorists they've been fighting for hundreds of years?

 

[jc456]

We have had people asking blacks for solutions to racism but what was presented as problems were situations created by white racism. There are whites who know where the problem is and work to end the problem, however whites on the right denigrate and disrespect other members of their own race by calling them thngs like self hating and guilt riidden for trying to do their part to end racism. They do this because they believe that whites today are blamed for things they aren't doing. In their minds racism is over even as they practice the very racism they claim is over. Discussions about racism with the right turn into the slavery is over so what are you talking about load of disingenuous crap.

We aren't talking about slavery, we are talking about how racism is done now. Right now. Today, December 13, 2022 at 5:49 pm CST.

“In short, a large number of white Americans have become comfortable with as much racial inequality and segregation as a putatively nondiscriminatory polity and free market economy can produce. Hence, the reproduction and, on some dimensions, the worsening of racial inequalities. These circumstances are rendered culturally palatable by the new ideology of Laissez Faire Racism.” -Lawrence Bobo, James R. Kluegel, Ryan A. Smith - LAISSEZ FAIRE RACISM: The Crystallization of a ‘Kinder, Gentler’ Anti-Black Ideology
Rising out of the ashes of Jim Crow racism was an attitude of LaissezFaire racism. Laissez-Faire racism is sometimes described as the “kinder form of racism,” as if there is such a thing.

“Laissez-Faire Racism involves persistent negative stereotyping of African Americans, a tendency to blame blacks themselves for the black-white gap in socioeconomic standing, and resistance to meaningful policy efforts to ameliorate America’s racist social conditions and institutions.”
Lawrence Bobo, James R. Kluegel, and Ryan A, Smith, “Laissez-Faire Racism: The Crystallization of a ‘Kindler, Genter’ Anti-black Madison D BW 8 112922.qxp_Layout 1 11/28/22 4:13 PM Page 476 GET YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS: Essays on Race in America 477 Ideology” (Russell Sage Foundation: June 1996, Copyright 1996. EPN

So why is it that part of the white community understands the problem and it's root cause, but members of the white community who hold a right wing view have such a hard time figuring it out?

What solutions do right wing whites have to solve their inability to do the work necessary to end white racism?

It actually boils down to one thing, are the people of today responsible for people hundreds of years ago?

 

[jc456]

Some people might not. Know what you mean, but I do. And based on the anti-white racism sweeping the country, you might not be far off.

The best question, imo, is asking someone for an id racist? Then the follow up if yes would be why?

Only then will the true racists expose themselves

 

[Failzero]

You mean the Muslim terrorists they've been fighting for hundreds of years?

The way Americans have been fighting Communism for 100 years ?

 

[jc456]

How do Marxist Whites convince Minorities that there is no Racism in a Communist World ?

That and planned parenthood is meant to make blacks extinct

 

[JoeB131]

The way Americans have been fighting Communism for 100 years ?

Um, except we haven't... We fought Communists in Korea and Vietnam, but not for 100 years.

Try again.

Here, let me give you some insight.

We go on about the Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan because we put them in terms of "human rights".

For China, these are issues of national sovereignty.

 

[jc456]

Um, except we haven't... We fought Communists in Korea and Vietnam, but not for 100 years.

Try again.

Here, let me give you some insight.

We go on about the Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan because we put them in terms of "human rights".

For China, these are issues of national sovereignty.

Where was WW1?

 

[Failzero]

Um, except we haven't... We fought Communists in Korea and Vietnam, but not for 100 years.

Try again.

Here, let me give you some insight.

We go on about the Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan because we put them in terms of "human rights".

For China, these are issues of national sovereignty.

We fought Marxists in the Streets long prior to WW2 in Chicago , New York , Los Angeles ...

 

[DGS49]

Which "white" people believe that there is no racism? None that I know. Racism is just one more manifestation of the natural human tendency to scorn people who are perceived to be different. An acclaimed novel that's making the rounds these days ("Pachinko") revolves around the scorn with which Koreans are treated in Japan over many generations - and they are racially identical.

The issue is, how are Blacks harmed by "white" racism, and that's where there is a disconnect. We "white" people see hordes of Black people who are ruining their own lives with no outside help whatsoever. For every Black who it turned down for a job or a place in a selective school, or a promotion at work, there is a company or an agency or a school that is whoring itself out to the false gods of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.

Do you want Exhibit A? Harvard has just selected a Black woman (Claudine Gay) as its next President. This position, possibly the highest profile academician in America, is being filled by a woman with an impressive background (she is not African American, as that term is commonly understood - Haitian immigrant family), but no white man with her credentials would have even gotten a second interview.

 

[Lisa558]

Which "white" people believe that there is no racism? None that I know. Racism is just one more manifestation of the natural human tendency to scorn people who are perceived to be different. An acclaimed novel that's making the rounds these days ("Pachinko") revolves around the scorn with which Koreans are treated in Japan over many generations - and they are racially identical.

The issue is, how are Blacks harmed by "white" racism, and that's where there is a disconnect. We "white" people see hordes of Black people who are ruining their own lives with no outside help whatsoever. For every Black who it turned down for a job or a place in a selective school, or a promotion at work, there is a company or an agency or a school that is whoring itself out to the false gods of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.

Do you want Exhibit A? Harvard has just selected a Black woman (Claudine Gay) as its next President. This position, possibly the highest profile academician in America, is being filled by a woman with an impressive background (she is not African American, as that term is commonly understood - Haitian immigrant family), but no white man with her credentials would have even gotten a second interview.

Black females have it made in this country. Just consider how many prestigious jobs are decided, before even taking applications, that they will got to a black female.

Harvard is just the latest example. We had Biden decide that ONLY a black female would be considered for the Vice Presidency. He announced that ONLY a black female will be nominated for the SCOTUS vacancy. And on and on and on.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Um, except we haven't... We fought Communists in Korea and Vietnam, but not for 100 years.

Try again.

Here, let me give you some insight.

We go on about the Uyghurs, Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan because we put them in terms of "human rights".

For China, these are issues of national sovereignty.

The US had troops in Russia in 1918 fighting the Communist forces and supporting the White Russians (and no, "WHITE RUSSIANS"
weren't a racial description) they stayed for nearly nine months before being relieved by British troops.

 

[IM2]

Wow! I’m agreeing wit chew and you be calling me racist?!!

Sheet!

I’m Audi

Bye! Adios

He told his publisher he was “born in Kenya”

Wrong. Obama did not tell anybody he was born in Kenya and don't try showing that doctored piece of crap.

 

[IM2]

RIGHT!!! He was half black and half white. His father was Kenyan and not even an American Black. Barak went to a prestigious school in Hawaii while living with his grand parents. He was a decent student as I understand it in high school and then went on to college and eventually went to Harvard Law School.

So we understand, Barack went to high school and graduated. Went to college, then went and got a law degree from Harvard. Barack did what many people are telling the black community to go and DO. But the black community will respond, education and higher education is systemic racism and the path that white's created, therefore, we should be successful without needing to be a part of this systemically racist socioeconomic path. But continue to praise your "First Black President" who really wasn't black, nor really doesn't represent the Black American as presented today.

This is stupid. I'm black and college educated as are millions of other blacks. And Obama is black. He'd be black if you saw him on a most wanted poster so he's black. He says he's black whites don't get to define him. You are ignorant.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wrong. Obama did not tell anybody he was born in Kenya and don't try showing that doctored piece of crap.

So the publisher decided on her own to embellish Obama's biography. Why did she pick Obama's? Why didn't she have him proofread before publishing. I mean he was President of Law Review, right?

 

[IM2]

You're making terrible assumption that the problem exists with "Right Wing Whites" only. That's no difference in a white person saying that all Blacks are lazy gov't munching slugs. You do understand that your premise, from the get go, is incorrect and illogical, right?

But you also feel your observations justify your opinion, yet, do you grant the same grace when other point out their observations. Nope, you call them racists white right wingers.

From my observations, the ones stopping this colorblind nirvana are the ones that continue to find racism behind every door and under every rock. When you have a Rutgers professor who claims that racism is preventing her from losing weight due to physiological effects of racism, then we will NEVER have a true color blind state. And when there is NO backlash from the black community for its own racism and the double standards that exist today (Like RGIII using a derogatory term on live national TV and a mere apology is all that is needed), we will never be able to walk hand in hand in racial harmony.

My assessment is correct. Now the people stopping racism ae ignoraant whites who haven't studied the holistic effects of racism but want to run their mouths on what racism can't do.

Like you.

Right wingers are a subset of whites who believe a certain way. All whites do not believe that way so me limiting white racism to this subgroup is not the same as a white person saying that all Blacks are lazy gov't munching slugs. And I'm not going to grant right wingers observations that are based in old racist stereotypes that have been long debunked.

Besides, whites have been given the most by the government and that continues now.

Now take notes:

“Bryant-Davis and Ocampo (2005) noted similar courses of psychopathology between rape victims and victims of racism. Both events are an assault on the personhood and integrity of the victim. Similar to rape victims, race-related trauma victims may respond with disbelief, shock, or dissociation, which can prevent them from responding to the incident in a healthy manner. The victim may then feel shame and self-blame because they were unable to respond or defend themselves, which may lead to low selfconcept and self-destructive behaviors. In the same study, a parallel was drawn between race-related trauma victims and victims of domestic violence. Both survivors are made to feel shame over allowing themselves to be victimized. For instance, someone who may have experienced a racist incident may be told that if they are polite, work hard, and/or dress in a certain way, they will not encounter racism. When these rules are followed yet racism persists, powerlessness, hyper vigilance, and other symptoms associated with PTSD may develop or worsen.”

Ryan C.T. DeLapp, MA, and Monnica T. Williams, Ph.D., “Proactively Coping With Racism, Getting back to our lives in the aftermath of racial violence in the media.”, July 18, 2016, www.psychologytoday,com

“On occasion, the emotional weight of racism can lead African Americans to engage in maladaptive coping, such as remaining in denial, engaging in substance use, aggression, self-blame – even in extreme cases suicide (i.e., Black Lives Matter activist Marshawn McCarrel) and terrorism (i.e., Dallas shooter Micah Xavier Johnson). These responses are harmful and lead to negative, long-term consequences.”

Ryan C.T. DeLapp, MA, and Monnica T. Williams, Ph.D., “Proactively Coping With Racism, Getting back to our lives in the aftermath of racial violence in the media.”, July 18, 2016, www.psychologytoday,com

Findings from large-scale national studies indicate that, while African Americans have a lower risk for many anxiety disorders, they have a 9.1% prevalence rate for PTSD, compared to 6.8% in Whites. That means that almost one in ten Black people becomes traumatized, and I think these rates may actually be higher since diagnosticians are usually not considering the role of racism in causing trauma.

Dennis R. Upkins, Denying Racism And Other Forms Of Gaslighting, Aug 24, 2016, Mental Health Matters, derived from: Coming Soon

“Racism is part of the fabric of life for African Americans and is among the causes of enduring negative health outcomes. There is really nothing new or startling in the assertion that social circumstances encountered as part of day-to-day experience influence physical health. At the turn of the last century, W. E. B. Du Bois (1906) and Kelly Miller (1897) proposed in separate manuscripts that oppressive social conditions encroaching on the lives of African Americans contributed to poor health and premature death. Fifty years later, Frantz Fanon’s classic studies (1967, 1968) examined the effects of oppression and included a recognition of “psychosomatic”—that is physical—consequences. Currently, social epidemiologists, health psychologists, and medical sociologists have extended the insights of these important early scholars by showing how racism generates systems and practices that contribute to persistent disparities in health outcomes. Estimates indicate that the failure to erase these disparities costs tens of thousands of African American lives each year. As long as the rates of the leading causes of death differ along racial lines, the specter of racism will haunt the United States. The persistence of racial health disparities and of Madison racism in any form calls scholars, therapists, activists, and political leaders to vigorous action.”

Camara Jules P. Harrell, Tanisha I. Burford, Brandi N. Cage, Travette McNair Nelson, Sheronda Shearon, Adrian Thompson, and Steven Green, Multiple Pathways Linking Racism to Health Outcomes, US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

“Racism and associated trauma and violence contribute to mental health disorders, particularly depression, anxiety and PTSD, and chronic health conditions such as cardiovascular disease, hypertension, diabetes, maternal mortality/infant mortality and morbidity in African Americans. Racism is considered a fundamental cause of adverse health outcomes for racial/ethnic minorities and racial/ethnic inequities in health. The primary domains of racism - structural/institutional racism, cultural racism, and individual-level discrimination— are linked to mental and physical health outcomes. Racism and violence targeting a specific community is increasingly Madison associated with complex trauma and intergenerational trauma, all of which have physical and behavioral health consequences.”

Trauma, Racism, Chronic Stress and the Health of Black Americans, Compilation by the SAMHSA Office of Behavioral Health Equity, June 3, 2020, https://www.mhanational.org/sites/ default/files/AfricanAmericansRaceViolenceandHealth%20SAM HSA%20OBHE%20%206.3.20.pdf

Studies show that consistent exposure to adversity and marginalization causes early health declines in black Americans. Racism is a stressor that triggers the body into allostasis or better understood, racism forces the body to adapt to stress. Allostasis is the process that helps us adapt to stress. Allostatic load is compiled damage to the body due to constant pressure. Such stress leads to allostatic overload, which is the point when the overall amount of stress causes health problems or deat

Geronimus, A. T., Hicken, M., Keene, D., & Bound, J. (2006). “Weathering” and age patterns of allostatic load scores among blacks and whites in the United States. American journal of public health, 96(5), 826–833. The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

“This study demonstrates adverse effects of structural racism— specifically state-level racial disparities disadvantaging Blacks in political representation, employment, and incarceration —on past 12-month myocardial infarction. These adverse effects, however, were specific to Blacks, and among Whites, indicators of structural racism appear to have a benign or even beneficial effect on cardiac health. It is important to note that individuallevel risk factors including age, sex, education, income, and medical insurance do not account for these findings. Furthermore, lending support to the construct validity of our measures of structural racism, the effects persist above and beyond those of state-level racial disparities in poverty.

Measures of structural racism pertaining to job status did not follow the expected pattern of association, and were inversely associated with myocardial infarction among Blacks. While this finding was unexpected, it is in line with results from previous studies that have documented that Black Americans in high status positions report greater exposure to interpersonal discrimination. This increased exposure, coupled with potential pressures to assimilate and to defy negative racist stereotypes, may in turn place high status Blacks at greater risk for adverse health outcomes. Our results similarly suggest that Black Americans in states with greater representation of Blacks in high status positions are at higher risk for heart attack.

Lukachko, Alicia & Hatzenbuehler, Mark & Keyes, Katherine. (2014). Structural racism and myocardial infarction in the United States. Social science & medicine (1982). 103. 42-50. 10.1016/j.socscimed.2013.07.021.

Now the usual suspects will disagree with these peer reviewed findings.

Whites such as you commenting on black issues is like the liquor store owner telling the alcoholic that alcohol is not the root cause of his problem, or like the NRA telling people that guns don't kill people, people kill people. You say ---- that you think makes sense but its really a bunch of clueless stump stupid drivel.

 

[IM2]

So the publisher decided on her own to embellish Obama's biography. Why did she pick Obama's? Why didn't she have him proofread before publishing. I mean he was President of Law Review, right?

The publisher said what you claim is not so.