Why Do People Celebrate the Confederacy?

[Augustine_]

When the southern states formed their own country and tried to defeat the U.S., they were not part of the U.S. anymore. Surely, that can't be too hard for you to grasp.

No, we were not part of the U.S. then. However, the Southern states unified in the Confederacy did NOT try to defeat the Yankees! Nothing was clearer on either side than that the Union was determined they were not to be allowed to leave: the Union formed an Army and marched on the South. It was indeed the War of Northern Aggression.

Yeah you slavers got whupped good.

 

[Augustine_]

The Vietnam War was lost, yet they still have a monument in Washington DC.

The soldiers in Vietnam fought for America, not against it.

The confederate soldiers fought for Mexico, right? Or was it France?

That's easy info to find. Look it up sometime.

See, that's your problem. You see the Northern states as America, but not the Southern states. YOU are the problem.

When the southern states formed their own country and tried to defeat the U.S., they were not part of the U.S. anymore. Surely, that can't be too hard for you to grasp.

Oh, no. I would call that restorative action. It was the U.S. that left the U.S.

Was the South pardoned and allowed to re-join the union or not?

Were the men who fought for their states honorable for doing their duty or not?

You're asking a guy who thinks reconstruction was a mistake and that Sherman should have been ordered to finish the job

 

[Circe]

Yeah you slavers got whupped good.

But not at Bull Run ---- spoiled your picnics!

 

[Oddball]

Confederate Memorial Day (called Confederate Heroes Day in Texas and Florida, and Confederate Decoration Day in Tennessee) is a cultural holiday observed in several Southern U.S. states on various dates since the end of the Civil War to remember the estimated 258,000 Confederate soldiers who died in military service.

It is an official state holiday in Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina; while it is commemorated in Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Tennessee.It was also formerly recognized in Georgia, Louisiana, and Virginia. For most states, the official date is or was April 26, when the last major Confederate field army surrendered at Bennett Place, North Carolina in 1865.

Confederate Memorial Day - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why do people remember this and celebrate it?

Confederate troops are officially recognized as United States veterans.

Why do you hate United States veterans?

 

[MisterBeale]

Yeah you slavers got whupped good.

But not at Bull Run ---- spoiled your picnics!

Agreed. The Union lost almost all of it's engagements except for that final campaigns.

Considering the superior Navy and production capabilities of the North? It is really embarrassing how long the war lasted, and how badly the North had it's ass handed to it.

The South fought for it's sovereignty and it dignity, the north for a war of conquest.

The average Southern soldier fought for his brother and his home, the average northern soldier never fought for lofty ideals. . . just a paycheck.

Northern moral was always lagging, that is why 4 out of 5 engagements, the North lost.

The US federal government solved that problem like it does every other problem, it just continued to throw money and men at it until the South was exhausted.

 

[MisterBeale]

Confederate Memorial Day (called Confederate Heroes Day in Texas and Florida, and Confederate Decoration Day in Tennessee) is a cultural holiday observed in several Southern U.S. states on various dates since the end of the Civil War to remember the estimated 258,000 Confederate soldiers who died in military service.

It is an official state holiday in Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina; while it is commemorated in Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Tennessee.It was also formerly recognized in Georgia, Louisiana, and Virginia. For most states, the official date is or was April 26, when the last major Confederate field army surrendered at Bennett Place, North Carolina in 1865.

Confederate Memorial Day - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why do people remember this and celebrate it?

Confederate troops are officially recognized as United States veterans.

Why do you hate United States veterans?

. . . and most folks realize that they were the elite troops of their day.

 

[Lysistrata]

Posting this thread in race relations? Is a primary reason why you do not get it.

Why don't you go back and study why folks argued, at the founding, between a strong central government, and letting those most affected by government control their own destinies.

Why don't you study why folks distrust and loath global institutions and corporations, versus small farms, small business, and local government.

The further business and government drift from the folks it serves, the more corruption and waste move into the system.

The war of northern aggression is no exception. The northern federal and global elites used the abolitionists and the slavery issues as an excuse to strip southern, and individual state sovereignty, and government schools have pushed that paradigm ever since.

If they had no, more than likely, within another few decades in the south, slavery would have become both financially and logistically untenable, and most states, more than likely, would have moved to integrate on their own. . . but who can say? No other industrialized part of the planet kept slavery, and all quit it peacefully.

. . . but now? Not only is the black man mentally and financially in debt to the oligarchy of this nation, but all the poor of this nation are mental and financial debt slaves.

No one has control over their destiny or has freedom any longer.


Just as the elites of this nation betrayed the reason we went to war for freedom when the put down the whiskey rebellion, so too, they betrayed the spirit of '76 when the Feds' invaded the south.

Explain how people who were held as slaves had a right to control their own destiny. They couldn't just take their families, collect their back wages, and walk away, right?

If anyone has ancestors who fought for the confederacy, why not just visit their graves and throw a party to remember the late great-great uncle Frank.

People all over the world remember and honor their ancestors, but that is for the family to do, not the general public.

My ancestors came from Europe, but neither of my families had any involvement with the confederacy. There is no reason for my family to celebrate it, with a state holiday or anything else. I can't think that a black American would want to celebrate it.

I love how you just compare the experience we have living in today's society, and try to pigeon hole folks back then, and shoe horn them into the consciousness of folks today. . . like that has any meaning or relevance today.

Your only concern is that of your stake holders.

Only those with low IQ's take your propaganda seriously.

Next you will be telling us. . . to explain how folks that don't take vaccines have any rights. . . . Or that folks who don't believe the lies of politicians or billionaire own corporate media have any rights. . .



Natural Rights are natural rights. Exercising them? Well, that is a matter of courage and will power.

. . . but folks managed to use the underground rail, so. . . only the timid need governments and authority.

BUT, . . . . YOU would like folks to believe that they need authority, wouldn't you?

What in the hell are "natural rights"?

Are you trying to say that those who were held in bondage could just walk away?

If only the timid need governments and authority, why was the Fugitive Slave Act passed?

What do you think the "consciousness" was of folks who were enslaved at that time? There were many travelers on the Underground Railway, and there were people like Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass, all of whom gave clear indications of their thoughts.

 

[22lcidw]

Posting this thread in race relations? Is a primary reason why you do not get it.

Why don't you go back and study why folks argued, at the founding, between a strong central government, and letting those most affected by government control their own destinies.

Why don't you study why folks distrust and loath global institutions and corporations, versus small farms, small business, and local government.

The further business and government drift from the folks it serves, the more corruption and waste move into the system.

The war of northern aggression is no exception. The northern federal and global elites used the abolitionists and the slavery issues as an excuse to strip southern, and individual state sovereignty, and government schools have pushed that paradigm ever since.

If they had no, more than likely, within another few decades in the south, slavery would have become both financially and logistically untenable, and most states, more than likely, would have moved to integrate on their own. . . but who can say? No other industrialized part of the planet kept slavery, and all quit it peacefully.

. . . but now? Not only is the black man mentally and financially in debt to the oligarchy of this nation, but all the poor of this nation are mental and financial debt slaves.

No one has control over their destiny or has freedom any longer.


Just as the elites of this nation betrayed the reason we went to war for freedom when the put down the whiskey rebellion, so too, they betrayed the spirit of '76 when the Feds' invaded the south.

Explain how people who were held as slaves had a right to control their own destiny. They couldn't just take their families, collect their back wages, and walk away, right?

If anyone has ancestors who fought for the confederacy, why not just visit their graves and throw a party to remember the late great-great uncle Frank.

People all over the world remember and honor their ancestors, but that is for the family to do, not the general public.

My ancestors came from Europe, but neither of my families had any involvement with the confederacy. There is no reason for my family to celebrate it, with a state holiday or anything else. I can't think that a black American would want to celebrate it.

We seem to be demonizing people of the past no matter what. There is a difference between right and wrong and political agendas. Very few if any people living well in those political agendas of demonizing are giving it up.

 

[IM2]

Confederate Memorial Day (called Confederate Heroes Day in Texas and Florida, and Confederate Decoration Day in Tennessee) is a cultural holiday observed in several Southern U.S. states on various dates since the end of the Civil War to remember the estimated 258,000 Confederate soldiers who died in military service.

It is an official state holiday in Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina; while it is commemorated in Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Tennessee.It was also formerly recognized in Georgia, Louisiana, and Virginia. For most states, the official date is or was April 26, when the last major Confederate field army surrendered at Bennett Place, North Carolina in 1865.

Confederate Memorial Day - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why do people remember this and celebrate it?

Confederate troops are officially recognized as United States veterans.

Why do you hate United States veterans?

The Confederacy was not America. Confederate soldiers were not U.S. vets.

 

[IM2]

Posting this thread in race relations? Is a primary reason why you do not get it.

Why don't you go back and study why folks argued, at the founding, between a strong central government, and letting those most affected by government control their own destinies.

Why don't you study why folks distrust and loath global institutions and corporations, versus small farms, small business, and local government.

The further business and government drift from the folks it serves, the more corruption and waste move into the system.

The war of northern aggression is no exception. The northern federal and global elites used the abolitionists and the slavery issues as an excuse to strip southern, and individual state sovereignty, and government schools have pushed that paradigm ever since.

If they had no, more than likely, within another few decades in the south, slavery would have become both financially and logistically untenable, and most states, more than likely, would have moved to integrate on their own. . . but who can say? No other industrialized part of the planet kept slavery, and all quit it peacefully.

. . . but now? Not only is the black man mentally and financially in debt to the oligarchy of this nation, but all the poor of this nation are mental and financial debt slaves.

No one has control over their destiny or has freedom any longer.


Just as the elites of this nation betrayed the reason we went to war for freedom when the put down the whiskey rebellion, so too, they betrayed the spirit of '76 when the Feds' invaded the south.

Explain how people who were held as slaves had a right to control their own destiny. They couldn't just take their families, collect their back wages, and walk away, right?

If anyone has ancestors who fought for the confederacy, why not just visit their graves and throw a party to remember the late great-great uncle Frank.

People all over the world remember and honor their ancestors, but that is for the family to do, not the general public.

My ancestors came from Europe, but neither of my families had any involvement with the confederacy. There is no reason for my family to celebrate it, with a state holiday or anything else. I can't think that a black American would want to celebrate it.

We seem to be demonizing people of the past no matter what. There is a difference between right and wrong and political agendas. Very few if any people living well in those political agendas of demonizing are giving it up.

We are holding our past to account and demanding accurate history.

 

[IM2]

I find it funny how some things in the past must be remembered only when it comes to glorifying whites. But anything critical of whites must be suppressed and shut down. That is fascism.

 

[22lcidw]

Yeah you slavers got whupped good.

But not at Bull Run ---- spoiled your picnics!

Agreed. The Union lost almost all of it's engagements except for that final campaigns.

Considering the superior Navy and production capabilities of the North? It is really embarrassing how long the war lasted, and how badly the North had it's ass handed to it.

The South fought for it's sovereignty and it dignity, the north for a war of conquest.

The average Southern soldier fought for his brother and his home, the average northern soldier never fought for lofty ideals. . . just a paycheck.

Northern moral was always lagging, that is why 4 out of 5 engagements, the North lost.

The US federal government solved that problem like it does every other problem, it just continued to throw money and men at it until the South was exhausted.

There is an alternate history. International elites wanted to get a fiat currency into the most powerful area of the Western Hemisphere. Dividing the nation and attempting to get one side to enact the fiat currency laws was their reasons. Slavery was used as the reason for the war however there was a belief that the pressure was so great to end it that it would not last another decade if there was no war. Outside forces in anything are powerful. We do it today.

 

[IM2]

Confederate Memorial Day (called Confederate Heroes Day in Texas and Florida, and Confederate Decoration Day in Tennessee) is a cultural holiday observed in several Southern U.S. states on various dates since the end of the Civil War to remember the estimated 258,000 Confederate soldiers who died in military service.

It is an official state holiday in Alabama, Mississippi, and South Carolina; while it is commemorated in Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Tennessee.It was also formerly recognized in Georgia, Louisiana, and Virginia. For most states, the official date is or was April 26, when the last major Confederate field army surrendered at Bennett Place, North Carolina in 1865.

Confederate Memorial Day - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why do people remember this and celebrate it?

Most likely because their ancestors fought for the Confederacy and they have pride in their ancestors. (My ancestors in this nation all lived in New York State and Pennsylvania and if they were here during the Civil War they might have fought for the North.)

I know a lady who right now is flying an American Stars and Bars flag in her front yard and a Confederate flag in her back yard.

Not surprisingly her favorite novel of all time is ‘Gone With the Wind.’

Their ancestors were traitors who declared war on the United States.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why do people remember this and celebrate it?

Why do conservatives remember this and celebrate it – ignorance and stupidity, mostly.

There was nothing honorable or worthy of commemoration about slavery, treason, and war crimes.

 

[IM2]

IOW, one could make the reasoned argument, that. . . in the long run? The folks that were most hurt by the civil war, were going to be the very folks it claimed to help.

If you are saying blacks are better off being slaves, prolly not ---- it's true they never progressed much, but it's still better to be free even if you don't want to be very prosperous. I figured that out reading about sugar slavery in the Caribbean --- the maroons that ran off never prospered, but when the sugar plantations paid wages eventually after slavery was abolished, they could never get anyone to do the work. (So the Caribbean Islands don't do sugar now. And are solid black. Was this really a GOOD idea? To lose the whole Caribbean to them?) The ex-slaves were okay with a subsistence lifestyle, just like they still are in Africa. They aren't into prosperity. But they don't want to be slaves, either.

We have prospered greatly against continuing white racism.

 

[IM2]

The Vietnam War was lost, yet they still have a monument in Washington DC.

The soldiers in Vietnam fought for America, not against it.

The confederate soldiers fought for Mexico, right? Or was it France?

That's easy info to find. Look it up sometime.

See, that's your problem. You see the Northern states as America, but not the Southern states. YOU are the problem.

When the southern states formed their own country and tried to defeat the U.S., they were not part of the U.S. anymore. Surely, that can't be too hard for you to grasp.

Oh, no. I would call that restorative action. It was the U.S. that left the U.S.

Was the South pardoned and allowed to re-join the union or not?

Were the men who fought for their states honorable for doing their duty or not?

No, they were not honorable.

 

[IM2]

The Vietnam War was lost, yet they still have a monument in Washington DC.

The soldiers in Vietnam fought for America, not against it.

The confederate soldiers fought for Mexico, right? Or was it France?

That's easy info to find. Look it up sometime.

See, that's your problem. You see the Northern states as America, but not the Southern states. YOU are the problem.

The southern states seceded and formed their own country. So they were not the United States.

 

[IM2]

States are canceling the 1619 project but we must always remember the confederacy. The 1619 Project is called divisive, but what about the confeeracy? They represented the literal definition of division. So it seems that the feelings of tax paying citizens who are black don't matter and that a belief that continuing a idea that was based on white supremacy is something white republicans believe is unifying.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Vietnam War was lost, yet they still have a monument in Washington DC.

The soldiers in Vietnam fought for America, not against it.

The confederate soldiers fought for Mexico, right? Or was it France?

That's easy info to find. Look it up sometime.

See, that's your problem. You see the Northern states as America, but not the Southern states. YOU are the problem.

When the southern states formed their own country and tried to defeat the U.S., they were not part of the U.S. anymore. Surely, that can't be too hard for you to grasp.

Oh, no. I would call that restorative action. It was the U.S. that left the U.S.

Was the South pardoned and allowed to re-join the union or not?

Were the men who fought for their states honorable for doing their duty or not?

No, they were not honorable.

Why? You're saying my no-slave-owning ancestor who was conscripted into the Louisiana Cavalry and did his duty as his state commanded was not honorable?

FUCK YOU!!!

 

[IM2]

The Vietnam War was lost, yet they still have a monument in Washington DC.

The soldiers in Vietnam fought for America, not against it.

The confederate soldiers fought for Mexico, right? Or was it France?

That's easy info to find. Look it up sometime.

See, that's your problem. You see the Northern states as America, but not the Southern states. YOU are the problem.

When the southern states formed their own country and tried to defeat the U.S., they were not part of the U.S. anymore. Surely, that can't be too hard for you to grasp.

Oh, no. I would call that restorative action. It was the U.S. that left the U.S.

Was the South pardoned and allowed to re-join the union or not?

Were the men who fought for their states honorable for doing their duty or not?

No, they were not honorable.

Why? You're saying my no-slave-owning ancestor who was conscripted into the Louisiana Cavalry and did his duty as his state commanded was not honorable?

FUCK YOU!!!

Your no slave owning ancestor participated in Jim Crow. And his service to the Confederacy was not honorable.