I agree with Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley on reasons for the Civil War

[candycorn]

That doesn't mean that as a separate nation from the North, the South might not have been able to develop enough industry to be successful.

I moved to Florida in the 1960s and the county I moved from was highly industrial at the time. Today it is part of the Yankee Rust Belt.

Florida and Texas are both successful today and both operate without a state income tax. In fact people from the big blue cities such as New York are moving to Florida and Texas today. Florida even has a nice budget surplus. Florida and Texas are home to some high tech industries today such as the aerospace industry.

When I was in the service in the 1960s, I lived in Mississippi. It was a backward state then and may still be.

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LOL...
The only 2 red states that matter...matter because of globalization; the think the average redneck despises. They're too dumb to recognize this. And they believe exporters pay tariffs and some bearded guy on a cloud decides what happens on earth.

 

[Batcat]

LOL...
The only 2 red states that matter...matter because of globalization; the think the average redneck despises. They're too dumb to recognize this. And they believe exporters pay tariffs and some bearded guy on a cloud decides what happens on earth.

Then explain why people are fleeing your wonderful BIG Blue Yankee Cities and moving to states in the south like the Free State of Florida.

No surprise, people are moving to Florida and Texas

States like New York, California and Illinois saw the largest migration loss of residents in 2022. Florida and Texas saw population gains.

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You might find this Newsweek article on globalization interesting. Perhaps the rednecks are smarter then you think.

The War in Ukraine Spells the End of Globalization as We Know It

What was once widely seen as a boon for humanity has bred bitter resentments over deindustrialization and an awkward dependence on despotic regimes.

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[BrokeLoser]

I agree with GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley 's reasons for the Civil War - they involved “the freedoms of what people could and couldn't do," - like own slaves

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The American Civil War was about slavery. The South lost. There were slave holders down south who were northerners who came back to the north to fight against secession. Did you know that? Nothing is black and white--not even slavery.

State's rights? \south Carolina signed documents stating the cause for secession...and it was slavery. SC initiated the rebellion.

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Only a matter of time before she is having dinner with Nick Fuentes.

I'm going to kidnap you, and then when the police take you away to be freed, I'm going to sue the police for taking my property.

The big mistake is that we let them back into the union way too quickly. Next time we need to wait a few generations before we allow the scum of Dixie back into the nation.

does god send these hurricanes to afflict the sinners? cause a lot of them seem to hit the bible belt.

States Rights has always been used as an excuse to deny peoples rights

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Of course you do

Kinda like they do with the abortion issue yeah?

Texas, Gateway to New Mexico!

Next time someone should ask Nikki Haley: "Why was the KKK organized?".

Cut the FEELZ bullshit and tell us why slavery wasn’t the best thing that ever happened for todays American blacks?
Through slavery, blacks in Africa were saved from total despair, starvation, disease, rape, murder and sure death.
This is evidenced by how virtually no blacks have gone home to Africa to live that amazing life they missed out on.
Blacks in America today are benefiting BIG TIME from the slave era.
NONE of todays black wish they were be born in the jungles of Africa.

Total factual taboo for the nutless isn’t it Unkotare ?

 

[Zincwarrior]

If I called you a ****** you’d freak out

Are you a cracker?

 

[Mac-7]

Are you a cracker?

I’m white, and cracker is a white slur

I can stand it, but I’m not inclined to turn the other cheek

 

[Zincwarrior]

I’m white and cracker is a white slur

I can stand it, but I’m not inclined to turn the other cheek

Bring it. Only old fart racist Southerners are crackers.

 

[Mac-7]

Bring it. Only ild fart racist Southerners are crackers.

And only ignorant black race hustlers are *******

But ******* get special coddling that whites dont get

Such as blanking out the n-word so that tender black ears and eyes dont have to deal with it

 

[Zincwarrior]

And only ignorant black race hustlers are *******

But ******* get special coddling that whites dont get

Such as blanking out the n-word so that tender black ears and eyes dont have to deal with it

Are you old? Black vs. white is fuvking 30 years ago...

 

[Mac-7]

Are you old? Black vs. white is fuvking 30 years ago...

No, its still going on today

Its true that obama is not so active bashing white people, and Black LIES Matter is somewhat in decline

But black complaints such as the demand for billions in walking around money is getting louder and more insistant

 

[AMart]

it is the slave owners who should get reparations because their property was unjustly released by yankee troops.

That's correct and that's what Britain did. France made Haiti pay seemingly forever, based.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, its still going on today

Its true that obama is not so active bashing white people, and Black LIES Matter is somewhat in decline

But black complaints such as the demand for billions in walking around money is getting louder and more insistant

Only in shithole states like Mississippi and Alabama.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Only in shithole states like Mississippi and Alabama.

Why are Mississippi and Alabama shitholes?
Can the reason be found in the pie charts below?
Why are you so RACIST?

 

[Slade3200]

Cut the FEELZ bullshit and tell us why slavery wasn’t the best thing that ever happened for todays American blacks?
Through slavery, blacks in Africa were saved from total despair, starvation, disease, rape, murder and sure death.
This is evidenced by how virtually no blacks have gone home to Africa to live that amazing life they missed out on.
Blacks in America today are benefiting BIG TIME from the slave era.
NONE of todays black wish they were be born in the jungles of Africa.

Total factual taboo for the nutless isn’t it Unkotare ?

Hahaha… do you really believe that crap or are you fishing for a reaction?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Hahaha… do you really believe that crap or are you fishing for a reaction?

It’s not really a matter of belief… It’s a matter of fact. Ask yourself the question, don’t be scared, why haven’t Africans gone back to Africa to live out the life they missed out on?

 

[Arlette]

I agree with GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley 's reasons for the Civil War - they involved “the freedoms of what people could and couldn't do," - like own slaves

A Thornbird's Lesson on The Federalist and Dude-lite-ism

1) The Federalist was an attempt to convince by reason (is that the peep of nitwitisms-Randian Objectivism I hear in the background?). 2) The Federalist's purpose was an attempt to articulate a national consensus and to express a generalized understanding of the concerns of the populace...

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Southern Unionists: Southern Unionist - Wikipedia


The American Civil War was about slavery. The South lost. There were slave holders down south who were northerners who came back to the north to fight against secession. Did you know that? Nothing is black and white--not even slavery.

State's rights? \south Carolina signed documents stating the cause for secession...and it was slavery. SC initiated the rebellion.

Texas v. White - Wikipedia

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If Haley doesn't make it into the White House she can always become a history teacher in Florida.

 

[Slade3200]

It’s not really a matter of belief… It’s a matter of fact. Ask yourself the question, don’t be scared, why haven’t Africans gone back to Africa to live out the life they missed out on?

The USA is a far superior country... But in no way can you warp that into saying that slavery was a good thing for them. That is just disgusting and irrational. It was a tragedy that they suffered through and overcame while many others perished.

 

[Dante]

I agree with GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley 's reasons for the Civil War - they involved “the freedoms of what people could and couldn't do," - like own slaves

A Thornbird's Lesson on The Federalist and Dude-lite-ism

1) The Federalist was an attempt to convince by reason (is that the peep of nitwitisms-Randian Objectivism I hear in the background?). 2) The Federalist's purpose was an attempt to articulate a national consensus and to express a generalized understanding of the concerns of the populace...

www.usmessageboard.com

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Southern Unionists: Southern Unionist - Wikipedia


The American Civil War was about slavery. The South lost. There were slave holders down south who were northerners who came back to the north to fight against secession. Did you know that? Nothing is black and white--not even slavery.

State's rights? \south Carolina signed documents stating the cause for secession...and it was slavery. SC initiated the rebellion.

Texas v. White - Wikipedia

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The evidence is straightforward But we all know there exist people who will deny reality.

Leaders of the would-be new republic named slavery as their cause. Alexander H. Stephens, the vice president of the Confederacy, gave a speech in 1861 in which he said “the assumption of the equality of races” was “an error” and “a sandy foundation” for the country he intended to leave.

More than 30 years of agitation over slavery preceded the war.

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The evidence is straightforward. Southern states rejected Lincoln’s 1860 election as a president from the antislavery Republican Party. South Carolina was the first of 11 states that tried to leave the Union, and Confederates fired the first shot of the Civil War there at Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I agree with GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley 's reasons for the Civil War - they involved “the freedoms of what people could and couldn't do," - like own slaves

A Thornbird's Lesson on The Federalist and Dude-lite-ism

1) The Federalist was an attempt to convince by reason (is that the peep of nitwitisms-Randian Objectivism I hear in the background?). 2) The Federalist's purpose was an attempt to articulate a national consensus and to express a generalized understanding of the concerns of the populace...

www.usmessageboard.com

MSN

Southern Unionists: Southern Unionist - Wikipedia


The American Civil War was about slavery. The South lost. There were slave holders down south who were northerners who came back to the north to fight against secession. Did you know that? Nothing is black and white--not even slavery.

State's rights? \south Carolina signed documents stating the cause for secession...and it was slavery. SC initiated the rebellion.

If we care about facts, the most accurate way to describe the cause of the Civil War would go something like this:

The seven Deep South states seceded mainly because they feared that Lincoln and the Republicans would use illegal, unconstitutional means to end slavery.

The four Upper South states did not join in the first wave of secession because they did not share the Deep South's concerns about the threat to slavery. Those four states only decided to secede when Lincoln made it clear that he was going to use force against the seven seceded states. They seceded because they believed it was unconstitutional to maintain the Union by force.

If slavery had not existed, there would have been no Civil War. The tariff was a major point of contention between the North and the South, but it paled in comparison to the contention over slavery. Some Southerners viewed the tariff as being more of an issue than slavery, but the majority of Southerners viewed slavery as the main issue.

The Deep South states were wrong for seceding without even giving Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern. The Deep South states were obligated by the Constitution to accept the election results.

If the founding fathers had come back to life in February 1861, they probably would have opposed the idea of using force to compel the seceded states to return to the Union. The historical record seems pretty clear that the Union was intended to be voluntary.

The Confederacy foolishly and tragically made a peaceful resolution impossible by firing the first shot by bombarding Fort Sumter.

Technically, the Civil War was fought over the right of secession and over the issue of whether or not the federal government had the right to use force to maintain the Union. However, the main underlying factor that brought those issues to a violent confrontation was slavery.

IOW, technically, the war was not fought "over slavery," but the war would not have occurred if slavery had not existed. Thus, broadly speaking, in the larger scheme of things, the war was fought over slavery.

 

[rightwinger]

The Deep South states were wrong for seceding without even giving Lincoln a chance to show how he would govern. The Deep South states were obligated by the Constitution to accept the election results.

The South listened to the war mongerers and those spreading lies and misinformation
The election of Lincoln was the final straw.

But Lincoln could not have ended slavery, even if he wanted to. What was happening was new states were joining the union and Slave States would be a minority.

By Seceding, the south ended up ending slavery in four years rather than the twenty or more under normal conditions.
Slavery would have been phased out and slave owners would have been compensated.

The South blew it

 

[my2¢]

The South seceded over the slavery issue, their state-rights argument holds no water. The war was because of Lincoln's belief in American imperialism. I doubt the South could have made it on its own and hold belief that it would have to eventually decide to join Mexico or more likely return to the good old the U.S.A.