Zone1 Why did Jesus come to earth?

[hobelim]

Jesus appointed a steward, just like it was done in Isaiah, during the times of kings. Naturally, this does not preclude people holding other positions. Paul outlines this well...many parts but one body.

There is only one head in the mystical body of Christ. You are running around like a chicken without a head seeking spiritual life from a piece of bread made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life.

"Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain united with the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain united with me. I am the vine and you are the branches. The one who remains in Me, and I in him, will bear much fruit. For apart from Me you can do nothing"

There is no such thing as a trinity that became 100% man and 100% God only to be abolish his own law and be tortured and crucified as "a perfect human sacrifice" to himself so that believers who celebrate his death and eat him every now and then on Sundays can sin with impunity for life becaue he loved the Roman world so much.

Can't you recognize bullshit when you smell it? Can't you smell that smell? You reek of cheap wine and vomit.

Don't you even have an inkling how absurd such an irrational belief is? And some people don't believe there are any negative consequences for the practice of openly and brazenly defying the Divine commands at every mass.


Imagine that!

 

[BreezeWood]

The Church is the assembly of the servants of God. The steward (see Isaiah) is to be a father figure, and the servant of all the servants.

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal ... as monotheism is all living beings spiritually are the same.

- what meriweather claims is monarchism / autocracy - the denial of ones own spirit for a solitary irreproachable figure.

 

[norwegen]

Romans church, not Jesus.
You can speak of magic all you want, but the fact remains, the catholic church was shaped by the Romans. Not jesus.

The first building dedicated to Christian worship was built in Jordan around the year 300, predating the Diocletian persecution of Christians.

The first assembly of Christians was formed in Judea around the year 33.

The first churches were not Roman or even recognized by the Roman imperial government until the year 313.

 

[TNHarley]

The first building dedicated to Christian worship was built in Jordan around the year 300, predating the Diocletian persecution of Christians.

The first assembly of Christians was formed in Judea around the year 33.

The first churches were not Roman or even recognized by the Roman imperial government until the year 313.

The first bible was. Thats what I was referring to. Before that, what were they doing? Making shit up? Talking about magic around a campfiore?

 

[hobelim]

The first churches were not Roman or even recognized by the Roman imperial government until the year 313.

And then in the year 325 CE Rome conferred power and authority to the Papacy and assimilated and perverted Christianity by burying the teachings of Jesus under a mountain of blasphemy and eliminating all other Christian sects creating the Antichirst, a false substitute counterfeit Jesus, a supernatural reality defying triune edible mangod with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" that scripture, including the gospels, are to be taken literally.

 

[Meriweather]

The first bible was. Thats what I was referring to. Before that, what were they doing? Making shit up? Talking about magic around a campfiore?

No. The Gospels and letters were copied by hand and circulated around the Church communities. Gospels and letters were also memorized and spoken orally to the various communities.

 

[hobelim]

No. The Gospels and letters were copied by hand and circulated around the Church communities. Gospels and letters were also memorized and spoken orally to the various communities.

By paid storytellers. The more they embellished, the more they were paid.

 

[hadit]

Jesus appointed a steward, just like it was done in Isaiah, during the times of kings. Naturally, this does not preclude people holding other positions. Paul outlines this well...many parts but one body.

The Apostles were of equal responsibility. They discussed theology and none tried to dominate over the others. It is notable that Peter and Paul had a strong disagreement over theology, and neither tried to give themselves higher authority over the other. It should be so today, with no one person being vested with total authority over the Church. It is far too easy for one like that to be led astray with no one to hold them accountable.

 

[luiza]

Why did Jesus come to earth?​

Typical Freudian situation .
Could not get on with his Right Wing Dictator Dad and fell out with his brother Lucifer whom his Dad obviously liked more .
The wimp ran away .

 

[norwegen]

The first bible was. Thats what I was referring to. Before that, what were they doing? Making shit up? Talking about magic around a campfiore?

Oh, by "church" I thought you meant church. My bad.

The first Bible, the Codex Sinaiticus, was Greek.

Before that, the Israelites were recording their exploits in Hebrew.

The history is rather elementary.

 

[Meriweather]

By paid storytellers. The more they embellished, the more they were paid.

Primary source(s) and link(s) please.

 

[Meriweather]

The Apostles were of equal responsibility. They discussed theology and none tried to dominate over the others. It is notable that Peter and Paul had a strong disagreement over theology, and neither tried to give themselves higher authority over the other. It should be so today, with no one person being vested with total authority over the Church. It is far too easy for one like that to be led astray with no one to hold them accountable.

Steward: The servant of the servants of God. This is not lording it over the other servants. In Biblical times, the Steward was also to act as a father. As far as poor stewards heading the Church go: Jesus noted the Church could/would withstand this as well.

 

[hadit]

Steward: The servant of the servants of God. This is not lording it over the other servants. In Biblical times, the Steward was also to act as a father. As far as poor stewards heading the Church go: Jesus noted the Church could/would withstand this as well.

Except He didn't appoint one man to lead the Church. The Apostles were of equal authority.

 

[onefour1]

And, without the Church all of that would have been forgotten. Are you aware that Jesus spent the greater percentage of his ministry within a five mile radius? Yet his life and teachings are now known throughout the world. This wouldn't have happened without Jesus building the Church.

Yes, Jesus in his efforts to show us how better to live, set up a church where he was the chief cornerstone and which was built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets. It was created to bring us unto Christ and was to continue until we all came to the unity of faith with prophets and apostles guiding the church:

Ephesians 4:11-14
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

You and I differ as to what constitutes the true church of Jesus Christ today but yes, Christ did establish a church and it was for the perfecting of the saints and the work of the ministry that we all might be edified in Christ. Unfortunately, the apostles and prophets of Christ's time on the earth were primarily murdered and as you know that I believe the church eventually fell away into a state of apostasy which would later require a restoration.

 

[Meriweather]

Except He didn't appoint one man to lead the Church. The Apostles were of equal authority.

Read both the book of Isaiah where keys were assigned during the king's absence, and the account of Jesus assigning the keys of the Kingdom to Peter.

 

[hobelim]

Primary source(s) and link(s) please.

"The Gospels represent a Jesus tradition and were enveloped by oral storytelling and performances during the early years of Christianity"

the gospels were never simply biographical, they were propaganda and kerygma (preaching), meant to convince people that Jesus was a charismatic miracle-working holy man.

Gospel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hobelim]

Read both the book of Isaiah where keys were assigned during the king's absence, and the account of Jesus assigning the keys of the Kingdom to Peter.

Then, if so, then what are "the keys to the kingdom of heaven"? What do the represent and what do they do?

 

[Meriweather]

and as you know that I believe the church eventually fell away into a state of apostasy which would later require a restoration.

Keep in mind the followers of Joseph Smith broke away from an already established Church and that Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against this Church that he built. The LDS position is that Jesus was wrong, the gates of hell did prevail against the Church. We believe Jesus spoke truth.

 

[Meriweather]

"The Gospels represent a Jesus tradition and were enveloped by oral storytelling and performances during the early years of Christianity"

the gospels were never simply biographical, they were propaganda and kerygma (preaching), meant to convince people that Jesus was a charismatic miracle-working holy man.

Gospel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia!? As a primary source?!

 

[Meriweather]

Then, if so, what are those keys? What do the represent and what do they do?

Read Isaiah 22.