Zone1 Why did Jesus come to earth?

[The Irish Ram]

How do we know this?

God put it in His book...

 

[Meriweather]

God put it in His book...

Who gathered and canonized all that is in the book?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Here's the AI answer:
The Bible wasn't compiled by one person or even in one go. The Old Testament, also known as the Hebrew Bible, was written and compiled over centuries by various prophets, leaders, and scribes. The New Testament, consisting of the Gospels, Acts, Epistles, and Revelation, was written by various individuals in the first century CE and compiled over time. The process of determining which books belonged in the biblical canon, both Old and New Testaments, involved various church councils and leaders over several centuries.

 

[Meriweather]

church

(To summarize what the very cautious and trying not to offend anyone AI carefully presents) But let's not dance around.

The etymology of Church is 'Assembly', so naturally, no one person wrote, gathered, decided on Biblical Canon. It does not make it any less Church, and the Church/Assembly had a steward.

 

[cnm]

Not exactly, but an interesting observation all the same. When a king left a steward in charge, he bestowed all his authority on him and the steward was to be responsible for all things. The steward was also commanded to be as a father, not a despot. Are you aware the word Pope is derived from the Italian word 'Papa'. The welfare of the King's kingdom rests on his steward's shoulders. He also, in the king's absence, has the authority to rule.

That fits the Sky Father mythology.

 

[Meriweather]

That fits the Sky Father mythology.

Where it is a bad fit is I cannot think of a mythological god that said he was going away so he was going to appoint an earthly human to take over his duties. Atlas (as 'Sky Father') is a good example. His duty is to hold up the sky. Has he ever appointed a human being as steward, to hold up the sky while he is gone?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Jesus has two natures: Both fully human and fully divine.

the fully divine wasn't debated until 300 AD

 

[Meriweather]

the fully divine wasn't debated until 300 AD

Why is that?

 

[onefour1]

Why did Jesus come to earth?​

1. Foremost, Jesus came to earth to work out the atonement and resurrection. The resurrection is a salvation given to every person born on this earth. All mankind will overcome death and be resurrected thanks to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The atoning sacrifice was done so that man, if he so chooses, can gain salvation in the kingdom of heaven. But this requires each individual to accept Jesus as the Christ and repent and forsake their sins. This is why Jesus taught, "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". If you want a better life in the hereafter, then live a better life here on this earth.

2. Jesus knew that he needed to obtain a body just as his Father in heaven. Immortality is part of salvation and consists of receiving a body and eventually resurrecting and having a body of flesh and bones for all eternity. Jesus, now, like his Father, has an immortal body of flesh and bones and will allow all mankind to resurrect and become immortal for all eternity.

3. Jesus also came to this earth to show us how better to live so that we might obtain the kingdom of heaven. He set the example of how we should all conduct our lives and give praise and honor to our Father in Heaven.

 

[BreezeWood]

- how would we know all Jesus' accomplished.

unfortunately judaism had jesus crucified is one of their "accomplishments" in itself is a message yet to be realized in some ways deliberately obscured by the 4th century christian bible by their own motivations not that of jesus.

especially as judaism to its credit does not recognize original sin and jesus were they a jew in that regard, or certainly without a denomination also did not give recognition to original sin - the 4th century rendering as a savior proves without merit.

there is not required a sherlock holms to put the main pieces together - judaism crucified jesus - jesus did not confess to judaism false accusations of a messiah and the curious note by the romans, king of the jews. not hard to conclude jesus did repudiate judaism as their short lived mission can attest and for specific reasons that are detectable to this day.

what also is relevant is what would have been the final outcome of the 1st century events had jesus not been crucified and they put in writing their oral persuasions.

 

[GLASNOST]

Why did Jesus come to earth?​

What do you mean, "come to earth"? I was told he was born here.

 

[Harry Dresden]

What do you mean, "come to earth"? I was told he was born here.

he is an alien being.....

 

[luiza]

Jesus wished to establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Knowing he would be gone for an indefinite length of time, he appointed a steward, just as kings of old did when they would be away. Isaiah relates how this was done: The keys were given to the steward, which symbolized his authority, and the steward was described as a father figure to the people.

After reading that reply I suspect that the best course of action is to let you and others who might believe that type of Fairy Tale stay alone and helped whenever possible .

It will take many incarnations before you start to awaken, but as long as you and your ilk remain relatively quiet and outside of the real world , you are best left in splendid isolation .

P.S.
Any record of the meeting between God and Jesus where this plot was hatched ?
Or did Jesus ( technically not yet even incarnate) rebel against his future Dad ?
Does that back to front sequence of events prove Time Travel?
Or , just imagined garbage?

 

[Meriweather]

Why did Jesus come to earth?​

1. Foremost, Jesus came to earth to work out the atonement and resurrection. The resurrection is a salvation given to every person born on this earth. All mankind will overcome death and be resurrected thanks to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The atoning sacrifice was done so that man, if he so chooses, can gain salvation in the kingdom of heaven. But this requires each individual to accept Jesus as the Christ and repent and forsake their sins. This is why Jesus taught, "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". If you want a better life in the hereafter, then live a better life here on this earth.

3. Jesus also came to this earth to show us how better to live so that we might obtain the kingdom of heaven. He set the example of how we should all conduct our lives and give praise and honor to our Father in Heaven.

And, without the Church all of that would have been forgotten. Are you aware that Jesus spent the greater percentage of his ministry within a five mile radius? Yet his life and teachings are now known throughout the world. This wouldn't have happened without Jesus building the Church.

 

[Meriweather]

What do you mean, "come to earth"? I was told he was born here.

Yes. The Word of God (Jesus) came to earth in the usual way.

 

[TNHarley]

One of the homilies I listened to today said:

Jesus came to establish a Church.

After automatically thinking, "No. Jesus came...." (a list of reasons), consider without the Church, how would we know all Jesus' accomplished. Was Jesus establishing a Church (upon this rock I will build my Church) foremost in God's planning?

Did Jesus start a church? Looks to me like the Romans did.

 

[Meriweather]

After reading that reply I suspect that the best course of action is to let you and others who might believe that type of Fairy Tale stay alone and helped whenever possible .

It will take many incarnations before you start to awaken, but as long as you and your ilk remain relatively quiet and outside of the real world , you are best left in splendid isolation .

P.S.
Any record of the meeting between God and Jesus where this plot was hatched ?
Or did Jesus ( technically not yet even incarnate) rebel against his future Dad ?
Does that back to front sequence of events prove Time Travel?
Or , just imagined garbage?

I'm sorry luiza, but we can't have a conversation about Church when your understanding is limited to the Fairy Tale level. I love fairy tales myself, and you and I could probably have a great conversation about regarding ethics inbuilt into them, but this thread is about Church. A great way to expand your knowledge is to step up and read philosophy. You may not be ready for that, so be patient, because one has to do a little growing up before philosophy is as interesting as fairy tales. Good luck!

 

[hadit]

One of the homilies I listened to today said:

Jesus came to establish a Church.

After automatically thinking, "No. Jesus came...." (a list of reasons), consider without the Church, how would we know all Jesus' accomplished. Was Jesus establishing a Church (upon this rock I will build my Church) foremost in God's planning?

That was only one of the reasons He came to earth. The first, primary and most important reason was to open, once and for all, the way to the Father through His death and resurrection.

 

[Meriweather]

Did Jesus start a church? Looks to me like the Romans did.

You must have skipped past the the first chapters. The story of Jesus' ministry begins in Galilee. The birthplace of the Church takes place in Jerusalem when the holy Spirit descends upon the assembly Jesus had gathered in Galilee. From there it takes a few decades before the setting reaches Rome, which at that time was known as the world's hub.

 

[TNHarley]

You must have skipped past the the first chapters. The story of Jesus' ministry begins in Galilee. The birthplace of the Church takes place in Jerusalem when the holy Spirit descends upon the assembly Jesus had gathered in Galilee. From there it takes a few decades before the setting reaches Rome, which at that time was known as the world's hub.

Romans church, not Jesus.
You can speak of magic all you want, but the fact remains, the catholic church was shaped by the Romans. Not jesus.