Zone1 Why can't there be a serious intellectual discusion about Jesus' gender and sexuality?

[shimon]

You may want to rethink your congratulations since I have done nothing of the sort. Think of where God started with humanity, and as He taught us, change began. Look at Laws that changed over time in the Old Testament with an added note that God permitted it (Judges to King a prime example of this). Where to worship, what sacrifices and how they were to be offered, Laws about slaves/indentured servants. As life changed, so did society and the changes they asked of God (sometimes) and trying out other changes without first asking.

God is the same yesterday, today, and always, we people are not. People grow, people learn, and God leads us on to the next lessons/steps. Some people welcome these next steps, some fight against them, but God's plan will prevail as He does not change, especially in that regard.

What you probably also know: When a book in the Bible says no change allowed, it is meant for changes/alterations in that particular book. Don't add or delete the words that were written in that Book. As we already noted, in future books there were changes in Judaism, but certainly Deuteronomy stood as originally written.

Jesus and Paul are neither false prophets nor deceivers--quite the opposite as both are after the truth of God, not the changes humanity forged down through the ages (even in the Old Testament) as they adapted to changes in the world. Jesus, in particular, and Paul perhaps to a lesser, were pointing out the changes in the Original Law God gave (the Ten Commandments) and wanted the focus to go back to these Laws and most specifically to the First: Eyes on God.

The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.
2 God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3 The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked( who are the wicked.the ones who do not follow the Mosiac laws in other words christians because they feel their idol Jesus makes attonementfor their sins)the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
4 He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
7 The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
8 But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.
9 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction ( Who has afflicted the Jewish people more then Christianity and its falsehoods and lies)shall not rise up the second time.( tsk tsk no second coming of Jesus)
10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards( drunk on their new wine), they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
11 There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the Lord, a wicked counsellor.( Who else could this be but Jesus who came out of Capernaum and taught to disobey the laws of previous generations of Jews)
12 Thus saith the Lord; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.In other words though christians are many they shall stumble and fall and no longer afflict gds people)
13 For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.
14 And the Lord hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image Whose graven image why none other then Jesus that is placed not only in their houses of worship but over their beds and around their necks) I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.
15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

So the question is why I am posting here Nahum 1 and here is my answer note that followers of Christianity have always notoriously changed scriptures in the Jewish Tanach to place their idol Jesus where ever it suits them to deceive many including naive Jews who through neglect of study can be fooled into believing their nonsense... After all if we supposedly worship the same god then why do they try to convert us away from the Gd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob... Obviously they do not.... We can use their same tactics by evening the playing field even By placing their idol Jesus in the scriptures attributed to Nahum....Capernaum was and is known as Nahum’s village..It is also the place Jesus supposedly taught and deceived many placing himself as a false prophet and Paul as well who taught such nonsense . Go ahead keep twisting Meriweather you will start looking like a pretzel soon but we can all see where you are coming from …

 

[irosie91]

The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.
2 God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3 The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked( who are the wicked.the ones who do not follow the Mosiac laws in other words christians because they feel their idol Jesus makes attonementfor their sins)the Lord hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
4 He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
7 The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
8 But with an overrunning flood he will make an utter end of the place thereof, and darkness shall pursue his enemies.
9 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction ( Who has afflicted the Jewish people more then Christianity and its falsehoods and lies)shall not rise up the second time.( tsk tsk no second coming of Jesus)
10 For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards( drunk on their new wine), they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
11 There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the Lord, a wicked counsellor.( Who else could this be but Jesus who came out of Capernaum and taught to disobey the laws of previous generations of Jews)
12 Thus saith the Lord; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more.In other words though christians are many they shall stumble and fall and no longer afflict gds people)
13 For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.
14 And the Lord hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image Whose graven image why none other then Jesus that is placed not only in their houses of worship but over their beds and around their necks) I will make thy grave; for thou art vile.
15 Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

So the question is why I am posting here Nahum 1 and here is my answer note that followers of Christianity have always notoriously changed scriptures in the Jewish Tanach to place their idol Jesus where ever it suits them to deceive many including naive Jews who through neglect of study can be fooled into believing their nonsense... After all if we supposedly worship the same god then why do they try to convert us away from the Gd of Abraham Isaac and Jacob... Obviously they do not.... We can use their same tactics by evening the playing field even By placing their idol Jesus in the scriptures attributed to Nahum....Capernaum was and is known as Nahum’s village..It is also the place Jesus supposedly taught and deceived many placing himself as a false prophet and Paul as well who taught such nonsense . Go ahead keep twisting Meriweather you will start looking like a pretzel soon but we can all see where you are coming from …

"Who else could this be but Jesus who came out of Capernaum and taught to disobey the laws of previous generations of Jews)"
Huh? what laws were those that Jesus "nullified"???

 

[shimon]

"Who else could this be but Jesus who came out of Capernaum and taught to disobey the laws of previous generations of Jews)"
Huh? what laws were those that Jesus "nullified"???

He nullified nothing It is claimed in the New Testament that he taught in Capernaum to disobey the previous laws who else fits the bill to a tee or a cross none other..

 

[Mashmont]

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Someone was offended by this artwork someone released of a trans Jesus, but they weren't offended by the real travesty of the Sun cross (Baal cross) symbol in it.
I ask you all why can't the artist have this discussion if there is good evidence he might have a secret worth sharing.

Actually it's a valid discussion as to the Gender of 1 of the trinity of characters used for the Jesus image and combined story.
Resarch the female skeleton of Jesus, the head is hiding in Neuillville --France
At one time The Vatican insisted they found the tomb of Jesus.About the story it was researched by British biochemist Anthony Harris who is formerly from the TRINITY College in Dublin (so non biased or more biased towards the Church). He saw many possibilities that Jesus was a woman with turners syndrom, because only a woman with this condition is known to sweat blood (Luke 22:43-44)
Around the time of the Inquisition
There were found the catheri relics one labeled "Caput LVIII" contained the skull of a woman and this was sworn to be the flesh and blood tomb of Jesus.Josephus reported Jesus to be a mere 5 foot tall. Other history reports Jesus to be slightly built and without beard.
These facts can be read in the old Omni magazine Dec 1988 issue or his book titled the Sacred Virgin and the Holy Whore.
Hey I don't write these things or make them up, I just leave open all possiblities for us all to ponder, I basically just report what I see and what you all miss, even as connections appear to support these possibilities.
The relic:
A great head of gilded silver, most beautiful, and constituting theimage of a woman. Inside were two head bones, wrapped in a cloth of white linen, with another red cloth around it. A label was attached, on which was written the legend Caput LVIIIm. The bones inside were those of a rather small woman."

Other evidence would be the fact that when they discovered the bones to be of a woman that is the time period where the forged shroud of an over 6'
bearded man thst magically appeared on the scene.

Fact: Jesus relationships reveal it's possibility:
"A newly translated Gnostic gospel, entitled The Secret Book of Judas of Kerioth, According to this seeminglyauthentic early Cainite-Ophite text, translated from the Coptic by Mohammed al-Murtada and Francis Bendik, said Jesus had an active bisexual love life, including relations with John, Lazarus and Mary Magdelene.
Also validating that: is
in the missing portions of Mark it shows Jesus sleeping with a naked young rich man, but also the NT validates this:
"...there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold of him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked." (Mark 14:51-52). Was this the companion that Luke observed with Jesus inside the garden?

"...he that is courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked on that day..."(Amos 2:16----the Hebrew 'labab' translated 'flee away' here, actually means 'transported with love', and also 'ravished'). Now that certainly fits this episode of the young man fleeing away naked from Jesus outside the garden of Gethsemane.

Who was this young man if not perhaps the rich man whom "Then Jesus beholding him, loved him..."(Mark 10:21). Perhaps it was the rich man Lazarus, of whom "...he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth..."(John 11:11----The Greek 'philos' translated 'friend', also means 'dear' and 'fond of').

Fact: the only historical person named Jesus was in 70 or 90 ad and was a name used for a woman.
Joshua (Hosea) is used for a man.

Fact: the truth Gospels shows us the original trinity
at that time was Father- Mother -Son,
Jesus was therefore both man and Woman.

Fact: The church is clothed in the lady worship.

Fact:they claim the central source Q used to write the gospels came from a woman.

Fact: in the Book of Thomas he speaks of the day body parts will be changed and man made female and female into men, but why?
How would he know unless he was transformed?
Which brings us to:
Fact: He always spoke about being transformed.

Discuss: was Jesus like Chaz Bono, a woman living as a man, or like woman characters in history (Joan of Arc) who were mischaracterized & posed as men to compete in a male dominant society?
*(in my best Seinfeld voice: "not that there was anything wrong with that")

Leftwingers would love to insert their perversion into Christianity.

 

[irosie91]

He nullified nothing It is claimed in the New Testament that he taught in Capernaum to disobey the previous laws who else fits the bill to a tee or a cross none other..

you got a citation?---I read the NT---I don't remember
that Jesus (is said to have) said that

 

[Donald H]

In the Jonah story, you need to first understand the use of Biblical words in that era and particular context in order to better interpret the Jonah story.

In the Biblical era the Dead Sea Scrolls showed us what "Day" meant in certain context.
The Ages of The World Scroll
4Q180-181 reveals Days=Ages

So 3 days=3ages

So 3 day(ages) story of Jonah and the Whale has to be rediscovered in meaning, as the riddle where Jonah (Said to represent Israel) spends 3days(ages) in the belly of the whale (Rome swallowed Israel).

Remember:in ancient slang Rome is called Seas and it's Army called Ships, so they would not know they were being spoken of during revolts.

Slang used in the Jonah story refer to the Ship surrounding him (Roman army) in the Sea(Rome).

So we did see it took 3 ages before Jonah (Israel) came out of this Whale Rome/Europe to be free again as Israel returned/restored/placed back(HaShev) exactly 3 ages(days) as prophesied in the Jonah story​

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[Donald H]

In the Jonah story, you need to first understand the use of Biblical words in that era and particular context in order to better interpret the Jonah story.

In the Biblical era the Dead Sea Scrolls showed us what "Day" meant in certain context.​

I do understand biblical words. 'Big fish' means school bus and day has no meaning until a planet formed.

The Ages of The World Scroll
4Q180-181 reveals Days=Ages

So 3 days=3ages​

Why are you xtians so worried about the length of a day? The god creating the earth in an earth day or a thousand years is just as impossible and ridiculous.

So 3 day(ages) story of Jonah and the Whale has to be rediscovered in meaning, as the riddle where Jonah (Said to represent Israel) spends 3days(ages) in the belly of the whale (Rome swallowed Israel).​

So your version says that Rome was the big fish! Got it!

Remember:in ancient slang Rome is called Seas and it's Army called Ships, so they would not know they were being spoken of during revolts.

Slang used in the Jonah story refer to the Ship surrounding him (Roman army) in the Sea(Rome).​

And now the big fish is a ship! Got it!
And so the ship swallowed Israel!

So we did see it took 3 ages before Jonah (Israel) came out of this Whale Rome/Europe to be free again as Israel returned/restored/placed back(HaShev) exactly 3 ages(days) as prophesied in the Jonah story​

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There's an easier way to handle all the bible storries and that's to admit they're all bullsh-t. Modern Christians have made it there on evolution, so you won't be alone! Talk to Ding and Meriweather for advice to beginners.

 

[HaShev]

Leftwingers would love to insert their perversion into Christianity.

true his intent might not have been pure but neither was the response.
If 1 of the Christs was a woman then Christians offended their own icon.
You can't find out if you insulted a mirage if you shut down all discussion to find out.

 

[ding]

true his intent might not have been pure but neither was the response.
If 1 of the Christs was a woman then Christians offended their own icon.
You can't find out if you insulted a mirage if you shut down all discussion to find out.

Is that what you are doing?

 

[HaShev]

I do understand biblical words. 'Big fish' means school bus and day has no meaning until a planet formed.

Why are you xtians so worried about the length of a day? The god creating the earth in an earth day or a thousand years is just as impossible and ridiculous.

So your version says that Rome was the big fish! Got it!

And now the big fish is a ship! Got it!
And so the ship swallowed Israel!

There's an easier way to handle all the bible storries and that's to admit they're all bullsh-t. Modern Christians have made it there on evolution, so you won't be alone! Talk to Ding and Meriweather for advice to beginners.

I'm not a Christian, I just know their bible better than they do so it confuses people.
Reread Genesis the world is not created from nothing, but out of the chaos the world was brought into order. The Hebrew G-d is not a man nor form, God is that Essence to be complete and whole-progress to everything we could and should be aka to evolve. That Nature "brings order out of the chaos" and it's the mediator between G-d and Man that is the reflection and manifestation of that nature ESSENCE .

Sources:
God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)



The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name(description)& essence.



In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name(the messenger of God shares this name and reflects this Essence). That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

Shalem means completeness/wholeness thus describing the Essence to be all we could and should be aka evolve/progress.

YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36 &

in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)

 

[HaShev]

Is that what you are doing?

The Miketz wouldn't be about the unpopular truth if it was popular.

 

[ding]

The Miketz wouldn't be about the unpopular truth if it was popular.

That's doublespeak. Your intentions are not pure. That would be like me arguing that your Moses didn't exist as there is no clear historical evidence of Moses. Most scholars believe he was a legendary figure. So your Torah is a lie. Now do you understand my point?

 

[Donald H]

I'm not a Christian, I just know their bible better than they do so it confuses people.

They don't know it themselves. One Christian says the 'big fish' is a school bus and another says it's a Volkswagon. Ding says the big fish is just symbolic 'bullshit'.

If you give us your version, it won't take long to find one of them that agrees with you.

The Catholic church has declared that they can believe the 'big fish' was a aquatic dinosaur. I'm going with that! You?

 

[BackAgain]

Let’s have a “serious discussion” about an absurd, ridiculous, nonsensical proposition.

 

[ding]

Let’s have a “serious discussion” about an absurd, ridiculous, nonsensical proposition.

Exactly... sexuality. The OP couldn't be more transparent about not wanting to have a "serious" discussion about Jesus.

 

[Mashmont]

I'm not a Christian, I just know their bible better than they do

I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard atheists say this.

 

[HaShev]

They don't know it themselves. One Christian says the 'big fish' is a school bus and another says it's a Volkswagon. Ding says the big fish is just symbolic 'bullshit'.

If you give us your version, it won't take long to find one of them that agrees with you.

The Catholic church has declared that they can believe the 'big fish' was a aquatic dinosaur. I'm going with that! You?

The mythology of Ishtar (easter) is that a giant egg fell into the river & hatched a big Fish (her son the morning star)=sounds like a UFo incident
The church which wears the fishead hat that celebrates EASTER sells the earth that fallen morning star-Rev21:16
This is what Dings rant is over, protecting the regurgitated/repurposed mythologies.

 

[daveman]

"satanists" ?

Everybody who disagrees with him.

 

[daveman]

Let’s have a “serious discussion” about an absurd, ridiculous, nonsensical proposition.

And expect Christians to abandon their faith over it.

 

[ding]

And expect Christians to abandon their faith over it.

Yes, because we should just ignore... The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles. Non-Christian historians recorded that the first Christians worshiped Jesus as God because he performed supernatural feats. 24,000 written manuscripts documented the supernatural feats Jesus performed and the first Christians witnessed. The Babylonian Talmud confirms Jewish religious leaders put Jesus to death for sorcery and for leading Israel into apostasy. There are no opposing accounts that document that Jesus did not perform any supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that argue Jesus wasn't put to death for performing sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy. There are no opposing accounts which document Jesus wasn't resurrected. There are no opposing accounts that the first Christians didn't witness Jesus performing supernatural acts. There are no opposing accounts that document the first Christians didn't worship Jesus as God.