Who Was The Beast Of The Book Of Revelation?

[surada]

When Did Nero sit in the Jewish Temple and defile it?

Figuratively.. the temple was defiled first by Antiochus IV Epiphanies, rededicated and then defiled again by the Romans.

 

[surada]

Oh---ok so you do not care. It is and was a very big issue in the
islamo nazi propaganda that I read as a child (more than 50 years ago)
AND COUNTING. No doubt YOU HAVE NEVER USED THE TERM "dual
citizen" RIGHT?

OH!! ok----have you ever encountered the phrase
used in 'derogatory' manner?

Why would I be interested in dual citizenship? Although there were lots of dual cities on the PNAC.

 

[irosie91]

Why would I be interested in dual citizenship? Although there were lots of dual cities on the PNAC.

I did not suggest that YOU are interested in dual citizenship---I stated that it was and sometimes still is a huge issue in islamo nazi propaganda

 

[surada]

I did not suggest that YOU are interested in dual citizenship---I stated that it was and sometimes still is a huge issue in islamo nazi propaganda

Never heard that in all my years in the Middle East.

 

[irosie91]

Never heard that in all my years in the Middle East.

It was a huge issue in the islamo nazi propaganda promulgated in
the United States and referred only to USA jews

 

[surada]

It was a huge issue in the islamo nazi propaganda promulgated in
the United States and referred only to USA jews

Only in your circles. Nobody else ever heard of that.

 

[irosie91]

Only in your circles. Nobody else ever heard of that.

your assertion is idiotic-----the term and allusion still shows up in
islamo nazi propaganda ---you are remarkably ignorant. I no
longer live in the Episcopalian town of my childhood in which the
stuff littered the streets and floated in the breeze

 

[surada]

your assertion is idiotic-----the term and allusion still shows up in
islamo nazi propaganda ---you are remarkably ignorant. I no
longer live in the Episcopalian town of my childhood in which the
stuff littered the streets and floated in the breeze

Nobody in my experience ever heard of such crap.

 

[irosie91]

Nobody in my experience ever heard of such crap.

How would you know what EVERYONE you know encountered?
I am amazed. Do you read minds?

 

[surada]

How would you know what EVERYONE you know encountered?
I am amazed. Do you read minds?

Over the years I've talked with lots of people. Never heard any of this Islamo Nazi stuff you constantly rave about.

 

[irosie91]

Over the years I've talked with lots of people. Never heard any of this Islamo Nazi stuff you constantly rave about.

OH now I understand-----the literature is not TITLED "islamo nazi stuff" ---it just
is. Much of it was written by nazis who escaped the nuremburg trials WAY BACK
when I was a kid in the 1950s. Back then I had no idea----I only discovered the
fact well into the 1960s when I came to recognize some of the names and got
an idea just what sort of people populated places like Egypt and Syria---especially
Syria-----as a kid the only Syrians I knew were christians

 

[presonorek]

Who Was The Beast Of the Book Of Revelation?

I think it was a lady named Amanda that lives in Minnesota. I might have to go look at my notes again.

 

[irosie91]

I think it was a lady named Amanda that lives in Minnesota. I might have to go look at my notes again.

Poetry, dreams and Psychotic delusions and hallucinations ALL COME FROM the same
place DA BRAIN OF DA INDIVIDUAL. The brain is a very complex structure and
OPERATING system. The "book of revulsions" <<< I did not invent that moniker---it
came from a lady I knew who was a catholic convert to Judaism, is the product of a
MIND of an unknown "JOHN" -----"John" is not only a very common english
name ----often attributed to an UNKNOWN person----it is a VERY COMMON hebrew
name also attributed to an unknown person. Even years on the PSYCH couch will. likely
not uncover the actual nature of "DA BEAST" just as years on the Psychi couch will not
uncover the nature of EDGAR ALLEN Poe's RAVEN

 

[surada]

Who Was The Beast Of the Book Of Revelation?
Short Answer: Nero Caesar.
Read on , , ,
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{The following was taken from
He Shall Have Dominion.
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
It is not a word for word quote but the substance of this below
is Dr. Gentry's. I typed it in. It is not on the web. Footnote at
the bottom}
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Who Was The Beast Of Revelation?
The Beast is a well known Christian Eschatological character.
Premillennialists incorrectly believe that the Beast is to appear
in the future. This is false. The Beast was a 1st Century character
that appeared in the 1st Century and will never appear again in
human history.

The Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation.

The Time Of The Beast.
John clearly expects his prophesied events to take
place in his day, the 1st Century.

John writes:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place."
Revelation 1:1

"Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the
prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near"
Revelation 22:10

"must soon take place"
"the time is near"

In light of Revelation's significance to its first-century
audience, the Beast must be someone relevant to
that first-century audience.

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his servant
John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is,
the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of
this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it
and take to heart what is written in it, because the
time is near." Revelation 1:1-4

“Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the
seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,
Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
Rev. 1:11
{these were churches of the 1st century that received
this letter of Revelation}

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Revelation 13 presents the Beast as a horrible and
powerful foe attempting to destroy God's people.

Sometimes Revelation presents the Beast as a
kingdom and sometimes as an individua leader
of that kingdom.

In some places the Beast has seven heads which
are seven kings collectively considered.

In Revelation 13:1 John notes that he saw a Beast
coming up out of the sea having 10 horns and
seven heads.
Revelation 17:10 specifically says that the seven
heads represent seven kings.

Thus the Beast is presented as a kingdom.
But kingdoms have representatives. This is why
John also speaks of the Beast as an individual.

John urges his readers to calculate the number of
the Beast which is the number of a man Revelation
13:18

The Beast's General Identity is the first-century
Roman Empire and NOT a "revived Roman Empire"
as imagined by Dispensationalism.

According to Revelation 17:9 the Beast's seven heads
represent "seven mountains." The seven mountains
symbolize Rome. Rome is the one city in history
distinguished and recognized by its seven
mountains.

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The Beast's Specific Identify.
The Beast in his personal identity is Nero Caesar. He
and he alone fits the bill as the personal and specific
expression of the Beast. This vile character fulfills all
the requirements of the text of Revelation.

First the number of the Beast. In Revelation 13:18
the number of the Beast is 666. The usefulness of
this number lies in the fact that in the first-century
alphabets serve as both phonetic symbols and
as arithmetical values. Significantly a common
spelling of Nero Caesar's name is Nrwn Qsr,
which provides the numerical value of 666

Second the Textual Variant. See Dr. Gentry's
book for this explanation. Page 381

Third the Beastly Image.
Revelation 13 both calls and portrays the one
behind the 666 riddle as a "beast.". The term
"beast" can easily symbolize persons with a
beastly nature. Almost all scholars agree that
Nero Caesar possessed a beastly nature.. Nero
Caesar is even hated and feared by his own
countrymen, as ancient Roman historians agree.
The pagan writer Apollinius of Tyana, a
contemporary of Nero Caesar, calls him a
"beast."

Fourth, the war with the saints.
John's Beast will make war with the saints
and overcome them.{Rev. 13:7} In fact
Nero Caesar conducts a blasphemous war
with the saints for a specific period of 42 months {Rev. 13:5}
Nero begins his persecution of Christians in A.D. 64.
The persecution finally ends when Nero Caesar dies
on June 8, A.D.68 forty-two months later, but for a few days.
{Point of interest: Nero's own end comes by the sword.}

Conclusion: The Beast of Revelation was the beastly
Nero Caesar of the 1st Century.

Source
He Shall Have Dominion
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
pages 379 - 381

Error: Jerusalem has 7 hills.

 

[surada]

Love ya JAG, but you misunderstand prophecy. It can be what will take place 2 days from now or 2,000 years from now. It is relevant to the time, not the people. That we humans just now have the ability to wipe out life on earth is totally irrelevant to the dead of the first century.
There have been a bunch of bad humans, but none so far fit the description of the beast laid out in end time prophecy. For one, he will be loved the world over. Nero wasn't even loved at home. Nero produced no peace treaty with Israel. Nor did he suffer a mortal head wound to the head or neck and survive. He had no weapons of mass destruction. Nor was he responsible for Christ returning to stop the destruction.
Wiping life off the earth is a prophesy that could only be fulfilled and relevant to us.

Nero did suffer a head wound from a botched suicide attempt.

The Scofield heresy comes from the Darbyites about 1830.

 

[irosie91]

Error: Jerusalem has 7 hills.

So does Paterson, New Jersey

 

[surada]

So does Paterson, New Jersey

Isn't it spelled Patterson? I lived in Chatham township briefly.

 

[irosie91]

Isn't it spelled Patterson? I lived in Chatham township briefly.

I don't know---I was four when I left.

 

[surada]

When Did Nero sit in the Jewish Temple and defile it?

The Roman garrisons of Vespasian and Titus defiled the temple. So did Antiochus Epiphanes.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Roman garrisons of Vespasian and Titus defiled the temple. So did Antiochus Epiphanes.

Was man able to destroy all life on earth back then? Was the gospel being preached worldwide back then? Had Israel been born in a day yet? Was everyone marked on their hand or forehead?

It hasn't happened yet...