Who Was The Beast Of The Book Of Revelation?

[surada]

Suradie-----you made no point. When did I condemn "foreign wives"---
you got a citation or do you prefer to admit that you are a LIAR?
The issue of "foreign" unconverted wives was---LONG AGO---an
issue for EZRA-----remember him? Your sunday school teacher
MUST have mentioned him some time between the bunny and the
jelly beans

Ezra encouraged men to divorce foreign wives and children. That goes with the timing of the first diaspora when Jews moved to Baghdad, Damascus, Rome and elsewhere.

 

[surada]

earlier

Most , like the king were converts.

 

[irosie91]

Ezra encouraged men to divorce foreign wives and children. That goes with the timing of the first diaspora when Jews moved to Baghdad, Damascus, Rome and elsewhere.

Correct------for the record "foreign" means---for the adherent---
UNCONVERTED. His dictum created a rift between Yemenite jews
OF HIS TIME since many had married Ethiopian girls and Ezra---being
the anal guy he was, did not trust their conversion or trust them not to
introduce "avodah zarah" which means "foreign forms of worship" --
sorta. That was something like more than 2500 years ago. Islamo nazis use the dictum of Ezra as a kind of libel. Sorry to tell you-----the Ethiopian ladies tend to be quite "pious" and show up in Yemenite synagogues ----as least in the USA------regularly.

 

[irosie91]

Most , like the king were converts.

Nope-----the earliest jewish residents of Yemen were BORN that
way-------Yemen was-----way back then, simply, part of ARABIA--
which was part of the silk road

 

[Colin norris]

Who Was The Beast Of the Book Of Revelation?
Short Answer: Nero Caesar.
Read on , , ,
_________________

{The following was taken from
He Shall Have Dominion.
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
It is not a word for word quote but the substance of this below
is Dr. Gentry's. I typed it in. It is not on the web. Footnote at
the bottom}
_________________

Who Was The Beast Of Revelation?
The Beast is a well known Christian Eschatological character.
Premillennialists incorrectly believe that the Beast is to appear
in the future. This is false. The Beast was a 1st Century character
that appeared in the 1st Century and will never appear again in
human history.

The Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation.

The Time Of The Beast.
John clearly expects his prophesied events to take
place in his day, the 1st Century.

John writes:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place."
Revelation 1:1

"Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the
prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near"
Revelation 22:10

"must soon take place"
"the time is near"

In light of Revelation's significance to its first-century
audience, the Beast must be someone relevant to
that first-century audience.

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his servant
John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is,
the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of
this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it
and take to heart what is written in it, because the
time is near." Revelation 1:1-4

“Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the
seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,
Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
Rev. 1:11
{these were churches of the 1st century that received
this letter of Revelation}

_____________________


Revelation 13 presents the Beast as a horrible and
powerful foe attempting to destroy God's people.

Sometimes Revelation presents the Beast as a
kingdom and sometimes as an individua leader
of that kingdom.

In some places the Beast has seven heads which
are seven kings collectively considered.

In Revelation 13:1 John notes that he saw a Beast
coming up out of the sea having 10 horns and
seven heads.
Revelation 17:10 specifically says that the seven
heads represent seven kings.

Thus the Beast is presented as a kingdom.
But kingdoms have representatives. This is why
John also speaks of the Beast as an individual.

John urges his readers to calculate the number of
the Beast which is the number of a man Revelation
13:18

The Beast's General Identity is the first-century
Roman Empire and NOT a "revived Roman Empire"
as imagined by Dispensationalism.

According to Revelation 17:9 the Beast's seven heads
represent "seven mountains." The seven mountains
symbolize Rome. Rome is the one city in history
distinguished and recognized by its seven
mountains.

___________________


The Beast's Specific Identify.
The Beast in his personal identity is Nero Caesar. He
and he alone fits the bill as the personal and specific
expression of the Beast. This vile character fulfills all
the requirements of the text of Revelation.

First the number of the Beast. In Revelation 13:18
the number of the Beast is 666. The usefulness of
this number lies in the fact that in the first-century
alphabets serve as both phonetic symbols and
as arithmetical values. Significantly a common
spelling of Nero Caesar's name is Nrwn Qsr,
which provides the numerical value of 666

Second the Textual Variant. See Dr. Gentry's
book for this explanation. Page 381

Third the Beastly Image.
Revelation 13 both calls and portrays the one
behind the 666 riddle as a "beast.". The term
"beast" can easily symbolize persons with a
beastly nature. Almost all scholars agree that
Nero Caesar possessed a beastly nature.. Nero
Caesar is even hated and feared by his own
countrymen, as ancient Roman historians agree.
The pagan writer Apollinius of Tyana, a
contemporary of Nero Caesar, calls him a
"beast."

Fourth, the war with the saints.
John's Beast will make war with the saints
and overcome them.{Rev. 13:7} In fact
Nero Caesar conducts a blasphemous war
with the saints for a specific period of 42 months {Rev. 13:5}
Nero begins his persecution of Christians in A.D. 64.
The persecution finally ends when Nero Caesar dies
on June 8, A.D.68 forty-two months later, but for a few days.
{Point of interest: Nero's own end comes by the sword.}

Conclusion: The Beast of Revelation was the beastly
Nero Caesar of the 1st Century.

Source
He Shall Have Dominion
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
pages 379 - 381

What revelation?

 

[kjw47]

What revelation?

Thats impossible, otherwise Gods kingdom would be here and death would be no more.

Who Was The Beast Of the Book Of Revelation?
Short Answer: Nero Caesar.
Read on , , ,
_________________

{The following was taken from
He Shall Have Dominion.
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
It is not a word for word quote but the substance of this below
is Dr. Gentry's. I typed it in. It is not on the web. Footnote at
the bottom}
_________________

Who Was The Beast Of Revelation?
The Beast is a well known Christian Eschatological character.
Premillennialists incorrectly believe that the Beast is to appear
in the future. This is false. The Beast was a 1st Century character
that appeared in the 1st Century and will never appear again in
human history.

The Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation.

The Time Of The Beast.
John clearly expects his prophesied events to take
place in his day, the 1st Century.

John writes:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place."
Revelation 1:1

"Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the
prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near"
Revelation 22:10

"must soon take place"
"the time is near"

In light of Revelation's significance to its first-century
audience, the Beast must be someone relevant to
that first-century audience.

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his servant
John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is,
the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of
this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it
and take to heart what is written in it, because the
time is near." Revelation 1:1-4

“Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the
seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,
Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
Rev. 1:11
{these were churches of the 1st century that received
this letter of Revelation}

_____________________


Revelation 13 presents the Beast as a horrible and
powerful foe attempting to destroy God's people.

Sometimes Revelation presents the Beast as a
kingdom and sometimes as an individua leader
of that kingdom.

In some places the Beast has seven heads which
are seven kings collectively considered.

In Revelation 13:1 John notes that he saw a Beast
coming up out of the sea having 10 horns and
seven heads.
Revelation 17:10 specifically says that the seven
heads represent seven kings.

Thus the Beast is presented as a kingdom.
But kingdoms have representatives. This is why
John also speaks of the Beast as an individual.

John urges his readers to calculate the number of
the Beast which is the number of a man Revelation
13:18

The Beast's General Identity is the first-century
Roman Empire and NOT a "revived Roman Empire"
as imagined by Dispensationalism.

According to Revelation 17:9 the Beast's seven heads
represent "seven mountains." The seven mountains
symbolize Rome. Rome is the one city in history
distinguished and recognized by its seven
mountains.

___________________


The Beast's Specific Identify.
The Beast in his personal identity is Nero Caesar. He
and he alone fits the bill as the personal and specific
expression of the Beast. This vile character fulfills all
the requirements of the text of Revelation.

First the number of the Beast. In Revelation 13:18
the number of the Beast is 666. The usefulness of
this number lies in the fact that in the first-century
alphabets serve as both phonetic symbols and
as arithmetical values. Significantly a common
spelling of Nero Caesar's name is Nrwn Qsr,
which provides the numerical value of 666

Second the Textual Variant. See Dr. Gentry's
book for this explanation. Page 381

Third the Beastly Image.
Revelation 13 both calls and portrays the one
behind the 666 riddle as a "beast.". The term
"beast" can easily symbolize persons with a
beastly nature. Almost all scholars agree that
Nero Caesar possessed a beastly nature.. Nero
Caesar is even hated and feared by his own
countrymen, as ancient Roman historians agree.
The pagan writer Apollinius of Tyana, a
contemporary of Nero Caesar, calls him a
"beast."

Fourth, the war with the saints.
John's Beast will make war with the saints
and overcome them.{Rev. 13:7} In fact
Nero Caesar conducts a blasphemous war
with the saints for a specific period of 42 months {Rev. 13:5}
Nero begins his persecution of Christians in A.D. 64.
The persecution finally ends when Nero Caesar dies
on June 8, A.D.68 forty-two months later, but for a few days.
{Point of interest: Nero's own end comes by the sword.}

Conclusion: The Beast of Revelation was the beastly
Nero Caesar of the 1st Century.

Source
He Shall Have Dominion
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
pages 379 - 381

Its impossible for Nero to be the beast of Revelation. Otherwise Gods kingdom would be in full control and death would be no more. Dr Gentry must be on drugs.

 

[norwegen]

It was Ezra and the Babylonians who implemented their 'racial purity' agenda, claiming those Jews who weren't exiled were 'impure' and tainted Jews, and many of them married goyim women, so they figured out how to set themselves up as an hereditary aristocracy and exclude the locals from govt, and Temple jobs; they change from the father being the family and tribal line to the mother being the 'real line' of descendancy of 'real Jews'. in the centuries that followed they implemented a quite detailed set of 'racial purity' laws that Nazis would have been proud of that determined even what jobs one could have. This was a radical change from the quasi-democratic tribal confederacy of the pre-Temple Mosaic Hebrewism. They also concocted a fake 'Oral Torah' that allegedly was only for 'pure' Jews to learn and know.

Your Babylonian scenario aside, Jesus' point (and mine) was that the holy people had been wayward since the Garden of Eden, and bloodthirsty since Cain killed Abel. Their false teachings began when Adam fell from grace, Babylon or no Babylon.

 

[kjw47]

Your Babylonian scenario aside, Jesus' point (and mine) was that the holy people had been wayward since the Garden of Eden, and bloodthirsty since Cain killed Abel. Their false teachings began when Adam fell from grace, Babylon or no Babylon.

Jesus brought truth. Many in THE OT were righteous and had truth.

 

[DudleySmith]

Your Babylonian scenario aside, Jesus' point (and mine) was that the holy people had been wayward since the Garden of Eden, and bloodthirsty since Cain killed Abel. Their false teachings began when Adam fell from grace, Babylon or no Babylon.

Well, it's not a 'scenario', it's what is written in the OT itself and criticized widely in the NT. Jesus was teaching a return to the real Torah, the written Torah, and rejecting the absurd legalisms and racist nonsense of the Sadducees and Pharisees. There isn't anything obscure about it.

 

[surada]

Thats impossible, otherwise Gods kingdom would be here and death would be no more.



Its impossible for Nero to be the beast of Revelation. Otherwise Gods kingdom would be in full control and death would be no more. Dr Gentry must be on drugs.

Revelation was written to the 7 churches of the first century not to people of the 21st century. That's perfectly clear. John also tells us when this would happen.

 

[surada]

Correct------for the record "foreign" means---for the adherent---
UNCONVERTED. His dictum created a rift between Yemenite jews
OF HIS TIME since many had married Ethiopian girls and Ezra---being
the anal guy he was, did not trust their conversion or trust them not to
introduce "avodah zarah" which means "foreign forms of worship" --
sorta. That was something like more than 2500 years ago. Islamo nazis use the dictum of Ezra as a kind of libel. Sorry to tell you-----the Ethiopian ladies tend to be quite "pious" and show up in Yemenite synagogues ----as least in the USA------regularly.

The king of Yemen was a convert. Yūsuf Asʾar Yathʾar | Ḥimyarite king

 

[surada]

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[surada]

Thats impossible, otherwise Gods kingdom would be here and death would be no more.



Its impossible for Nero to be the beast of Revelation. Otherwise Gods kingdom would be in full control and death would be no more. Dr Gentry must be on drugs.

Jesus conquered death.

 

[irosie91]

Well, it's not a 'scenario', it's what is written in the OT itself and criticized widely in the NT. Jesus was teaching a return to the real Torah, the written Torah, and rejecting the absurd legalisms and racist nonsense of the Sadducees and Pharisees. There isn't anything obscure about it.

DUD ---you should reread the books----in fact there is nothing, logically
attributed to Jesus has is remotely anti-Pharisee----He was a Pharisee,
lock, stock and barrel of the school of Hillel. OF COURSE HE WAS ANTI-
Sadducee-----the Sadducees were the shills of the Romans----you remember
the Romans-----the people that actually "redacted" the ancient writings---
which you are called "Torah"------ and created what is now called the
"new testament" No jelly beans for you

 

[irosie91]

The king of Yemen was a convert. Yūsuf Asʾar Yathʾar | Ḥimyarite king

LOL----according to "arabian" history----muslims invented lemons
and pita

 

[surada]

LOL----according to "arabian" history----muslims invented lemons
and pita

For God's sake. It's not Arab history.

 

[irosie91]

For God's sake. It's not Arab history.

it's not? are there extant writings?-----these glorious events
would have happened sometime ----circa fifth century AD. Jews
at that time were writing EVERYTHING-----especially those yemenite/arabian
anal characters-----and they SAVED every scrap of paper-------or pottery shard. ----- I have to plow thru the Geneza in my house

 

[kjw47]

Revelation was written to the 7 churches of the first century not to people of the 21st century. That's perfectly clear. John also tells us when this would happen.

Those words apply to any congregation. Congregation is the true meaning of the Greek word put as church in trinity translations. Jesus did not address the building, he addressed the congregation. Since death will be no more at the end of Rev-where is it if these things occurred back then?

 

[kjw47]

Jesus conquered death.

Yet everyone still is dying-Why? Because the words of Rev and death will be no more have not been fulfilled yet.

 

[surada]

Yet everyone still is dying-Why? Because the words of Rev and death will be no more have not been fulfilled yet.

Eternal life is not temporal.