Who Was The Beast Of The Book Of Revelation?

[surada]

christians CHANGED hosea and isaiah? fret not----the hebrew version
never went away. What did christians DO to hosea and isaiah?

They claim both are about Jesus. The verses are all about Israel and bang they suddenly become about Jesus

 

[norwegen]

They claim both are about Jesus. The verses are all about Israel and bang they suddenly become about Jesus

The Old Testament makes some loose references to an expected Messiah. Eventually, in the post-Hasmonean era, some of the Jews come to believe that Jesus was that Messiah.

 

[irosie91]

They claim both are about Jesus. The verses are all about Israel and bang they suddenly become about Jesus

oh---ok they did not "change them"---just REINTERPRETED them in
a kind of ethnocentric manner. I knew that------fret not----muslims do
the same thing------and in the 20th century, Russian communists
claimed to have "DISCOVERED" neuroscience and fission

 

[surada]

oh---ok they did not "change them"---just REINTERPRETED them in
a kind of ethnocentric manner. I knew that------fret not----muslims do
the same thing------and in the 20th century, Russian communists
claimed to have "DISCOVERED" neuroscience and fission

Ethnocentric? Jesus was a Jew.

 

[irosie91]

Ethnocentric? Jesus was a Jew.

ROFLMAO I grew up in a VERY CHRISTIAN town. ----catholic, protestant
(methodist and episcopalian), Catholic and----a few eastern orthodox.
I attended "sunday school" a lot more than any "jewish education"----ANY
MENTION AMONGST MY LITTLE FRIENDS----"jesus was a jew and never
ate bacon and eggs" ------was "FIGHTING WORDS"

 

[Votto]

Who Was The Beast Of the Book Of Revelation?
Short Answer: Nero Caesar.
Read on , , ,
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{The following was taken from
He Shall Have Dominion.
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
It is not a word for word quote but the substance of this below
is Dr. Gentry's. I typed it in. It is not on the web. Footnote at
the bottom}
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Who Was The Beast Of Revelation?
The Beast is a well known Christian Eschatological character.
Premillennialists incorrectly believe that the Beast is to appear
in the future. This is false. The Beast was a 1st Century character
that appeared in the 1st Century and will never appear again in
human history.

The Apostle John wrote the book of Revelation.

The Time Of The Beast.
John clearly expects his prophesied events to take
place in his day, the 1st Century.

John writes:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place."
Revelation 1:1

"Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the
prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near"
Revelation 22:10

"must soon take place"
"the time is near"

In light of Revelation's significance to its first-century
audience, the Beast must be someone relevant to
that first-century audience.

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his servant
John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is,
the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of
this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it
and take to heart what is written in it, because the
time is near." Revelation 1:1-4

“Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the
seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum,
Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
Rev. 1:11
{these were churches of the 1st century that received
this letter of Revelation}

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Revelation 13 presents the Beast as a horrible and
powerful foe attempting to destroy God's people.

Sometimes Revelation presents the Beast as a
kingdom and sometimes as an individua leader
of that kingdom.

In some places the Beast has seven heads which
are seven kings collectively considered.

In Revelation 13:1 John notes that he saw a Beast
coming up out of the sea having 10 horns and
seven heads.
Revelation 17:10 specifically says that the seven
heads represent seven kings.

Thus the Beast is presented as a kingdom.
But kingdoms have representatives. This is why
John also speaks of the Beast as an individual.

John urges his readers to calculate the number of
the Beast which is the number of a man Revelation
13:18

The Beast's General Identity is the first-century
Roman Empire and NOT a "revived Roman Empire"
as imagined by Dispensationalism.

According to Revelation 17:9 the Beast's seven heads
represent "seven mountains." The seven mountains
symbolize Rome. Rome is the one city in history
distinguished and recognized by its seven
mountains.

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The Beast's Specific Identify.
The Beast in his personal identity is Nero Caesar. He
and he alone fits the bill as the personal and specific
expression of the Beast. This vile character fulfills all
the requirements of the text of Revelation.

First the number of the Beast. In Revelation 13:18
the number of the Beast is 666. The usefulness of
this number lies in the fact that in the first-century
alphabets serve as both phonetic symbols and
as arithmetical values. Significantly a common
spelling of Nero Caesar's name is Nrwn Qsr,
which provides the numerical value of 666

Second the Textual Variant. See Dr. Gentry's
book for this explanation. Page 381

Third the Beastly Image.
Revelation 13 both calls and portrays the one
behind the 666 riddle as a "beast.". The term
"beast" can easily symbolize persons with a
beastly nature. Almost all scholars agree that
Nero Caesar possessed a beastly nature.. Nero
Caesar is even hated and feared by his own
countrymen, as ancient Roman historians agree.
The pagan writer Apollinius of Tyana, a
contemporary of Nero Caesar, calls him a
"beast."

Fourth, the war with the saints.
John's Beast will make war with the saints
and overcome them.{Rev. 13:7} In fact
Nero Caesar conducts a blasphemous war
with the saints for a specific period of 42 months {Rev. 13:5}
Nero begins his persecution of Christians in A.D. 64.
The persecution finally ends when Nero Caesar dies
on June 8, A.D.68 forty-two months later, but for a few days.
{Point of interest: Nero's own end comes by the sword.}

Conclusion: The Beast of Revelation was the beastly
Nero Caesar of the 1st Century.

Source
He Shall Have Dominion
by Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry Jr.
pages 379 - 381

I can tell you who it is not

Satan has higher standards than the American voter.

 

[Votto]

fascinating------who is the whore of babylon?

 

[surada]

ROFLMAO I grew up in a VERY CHRISTIAN town. ----catholic, protestant
(methodist and episcopalian), Catholic and----a few eastern orthodox.
I attended "sunday school" a lot more than any "jewish education"----ANY
MENTION AMONGST MY LITTLE FRIENDS----"jesus was a jew and never
ate bacon and eggs" ------was "FIGHTING WORDS"

Must have been a rough town.

 

[irosie91]

Must have been a rough town.

very, very genteel. In fact, it was SO genteel that it functioned
something like a restricted, gated community. It was only because
of the post world war II baby boom and the availability of land for
the building of lots of little houses that PROFITABILITY overcame
the exclusion of "undesirables" ----like Irish (micks) hispanics
(spics) Italians (wops) and jews (kikes) -----that was in the 1950s---
"coloreds" did not get in until about the 21st century. The town
was founded in pre-revolutionary days-----George Washington
passed thru on his way to Delaware and the core population was
Episcopalian, Methodist and Lutheran

 

[DudleySmith]

I'm not sure where the Bible says that.

Jesus said that this murderous tendency began with the Adamic people, that the faithful all the way back to Abel were slain (Mt 23:34-35), long before Babylon.

It was Ezra and the Babylonians who implemented their 'racial purity' agenda, claiming those Jews who weren't exiled were 'impure' and tainted Jews, and many of them married goyim women, so they figured out how to set themselves up as an hereditary aristocracy and exclude the locals from govt, and Temple jobs; they change from the father being the family and tribal line to the mother being the 'real line' of descendancy of 'real Jews'. in the centuries that followed they implemented a quite detailed set of 'racial purity' laws that Nazis would have been proud of that determined even what jobs one could have. This was a radical change from the quasi-democratic tribal confederacy of the pre-Temple Mosaic Hebrewism. They also concocted a fake 'Oral Torah' that allegedly was only for 'pure' Jews to learn and know.

 

[DudleySmith]

ROFLMAO I grew up in a VERY CHRISTIAN town. ----catholic, protestant
(methodist and episcopalian), Catholic and----a few eastern orthodox.
I attended "sunday school" a lot more than any "jewish education"----ANY
MENTION AMONGST MY LITTLE FRIENDS----"jesus was a jew and never
ate bacon and eggs" ------was "FIGHTING WORDS"

lol those loony ultra-racist Chasidics really screwed up your head.

 

[surada]

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Israel.

It was Ezra and the Babylonians who implemented their 'racial purity' agenda, claiming those Jews who weren't exiled were 'impure' and tainted Jews, and many of them married goyim women, so they figured out how to set themselves up as an hereditary aristocracy and exclude the locals from govt, and Temple jobs; they change from the father being the family and tribal line to the mother being the 'real line' of descendancy of 'real Jews'. in the centuries that followed they implemented a quite detailed set of 'racial purity' laws that Nazis would have been proud of that determined even what jobs one could have. This was a radical change from the quasi-democratic tribal confederacy of the pre-Temple Mosaic Hebrewism. They also concocted a fake 'Oral Torah' that allegedly was only for 'pure' Jews to learn and know.

. There's scripture about the good figs and the bad figs. Accordingly the good figs went to Babylon and the bad ones were left behind.

 

[irosie91]

It was Ezra and the Babylonians who implemented their 'racial purity' agenda, claiming those Jews who weren't exiled were 'impure' and tainted Jews, and many of them married goyim women, so they figured out how to set themselves up as an hereditary aristocracy and exclude the locals from govt, and Temple jobs; they change from the father being the family and tribal line to the mother being the 'real line' of descendancy of 'real Jews'. in the centuries that followed they implemented a quite detailed set of 'racial purity' laws that Nazis would have been proud of that determined even what jobs one could have. This was a radical change from the quasi-democratic tribal confederacy of the pre-Temple Mosaic Hebrewism. They also concocted a fake 'Oral Torah' that allegedly was only for 'pure' Jews to learn and know.

for the record----DUD got it ludicrously wrong. His typically sunday school bull shit bears a tiny grain of ALMOST truth----there WAS an issue in the mind of the "prophet" Ezra regarding intermarriage-----but it had NOTHING to do with the jews who remained unexiled-----it related to the jews of some
other countries----MOST SPECIFICALLY, YEMEN. The jews of that land
were VERY MUCH intermarried with women of Ethiopia whom Ezra decided
had not really converted. Interestingly---my very own hubby is a Yemenite--I know ALL ABOUT IT------it is a matter STILL under discussion----sorta. Feel
free to ask questions. The "exclusivity" of the talmud is, simply, more
sunday school bull shit. Anyone interested---there are really good translations of the talmud into english available to all LITERATE english
speakers (which excludes DUD). Iraqi and Yemenite jews still have a
THING going over EZRA -------it gets really comical

 

[irosie91]

ROFLMAO I grew up in a VERY CHRISTIAN town. ----catholic, protestant
(methodist and episcopalian), Catholic and----a few eastern orthodox.
I attended "sunday school" a lot more than any "jewish education"----ANY
MENTION AMONGST MY LITTLE FRIENDS----"jesus was a jew and never
ate bacon and eggs" ------was "FIGHTING WORDS"

the DUD laughed-----strange sense of humor

 

[irosie91]

It was Ezra and the Babylonians who implemented their 'racial purity' agenda, claiming those Jews who weren't exiled were 'impure' and tainted Jews, and many of them married goyim women, so they figured out how to set themselves up as an hereditary aristocracy and exclude the locals from govt, and Temple jobs; they change from the father being the family and tribal line to the mother being the 'real line' of descendancy of 'real Jews'. in the centuries that followed they implemented a quite detailed set of 'racial purity' laws that Nazis would have been proud of that determined even what jobs one could have. This was a radical change from the quasi-democratic tribal confederacy of the pre-Temple Mosaic Hebrewism. They also concocted a fake 'Oral Torah' that allegedly was only for 'pure' Jews to learn and know.

suradie agree with DUDs sunday school islamo nazi bullshit----I must show
this discussion to my very YEMENITE hubby------the Ezra (Babylonian aka
Iraqi) thing IS historic------an Ezra vs Yemenite issue that remains a subject
for stand-up comedians

 

[surada]

the DUD laughed-----strange sense of humor

All the patriarchs had foreign wives. How do you condemn Moses, Abraham, David and Solomon?

 

[irosie91]

lol those loony ultra-racist Chasidics really screwed up your head.

for the record-----I have NEVER been a member of the Chassidic
community------however they are admirable people and, CERTAINLY,
not "racist"

 

[surada]

suradie agree with DUDs sunday school islamo nazi bullshit----I must show
this discussion to my very YEMENITE hubby------the Ezra (Babylonian aka
Iraqi) thing IS historic------an Ezra vs Yemenite issue that remains a subject
for stand-up comedians

We're there Jews in Yemen that early?

 

[irosie91]

All the patriarchs had foreign wives. How do you condemn Moses, Abraham, David and Solomon?

Suradie-----you made no point. When did I condemn "foreign wives"---
you got a citation or do you prefer to admit that you are a LIAR?
The issue of "foreign" unconverted wives was---LONG AGO---an
issue for EZRA-----remember him? Your sunday school teacher
MUST have mentioned him some time between the bunny and the
jelly beans

 

[irosie91]

We're there Jews in Yemen that early?

earlier