Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[norwegen]

Pay attention. I'm not blaming. God is blaming. And Israel asked to be blamed. (Matt. 27:25) "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be upon us, and on our children." And so it has and will be until the Jews repent and turn back to God. Turn back to Jesus, the Son of God, Whom you crucified and killed.

The New Covenant is based upon the blood of Jesus Christ. To each and every Jew, if he never repents from that rejection of Jesus Christ, and is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, hell is his destination. He is no different than his fathers who killed Jesus. He is no different than that 'untoward generation'.

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Pay attention. Jews were judged. They're finished, kaput.

You're blaming today's Jews for something they didn't do.

 

[Quantrill]

Pay attention. Jews were judged. They're finished, kaput.

You're blaming today's Jews for something they didn't do.

What do you base that the Jews were judged and they are finished on?

The Jews were under the judgement of God before Christ came. 70 A.D. was no end of the Jews judgement.

Again, pay attention. "His blood be upon us and our children." (Matt. 27:25) And so it has been and is.

Pay attention. Any Jew who rejects Jesus Christ is as guilty as his fathers who killed Jesus Christ.

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[BreezeWood]

Because the Jews have been given a special place before God. He has chosen them. Given them His law.

you actually believe the yarn of a single individual made 3000 years ago without a shred of evidence - or it supplements your own misguided religious insecurities as the jews that chose abraham over all the others.

were what you claim true when have the heavens ever made the claim publicly they have anything to do w/ jews greater than anyone else ... in fact is an absurdity no honest person of religion or not without a bit of verification would believe such a fallacy as those mindless, self promoting worshipers that do.

all three desert religions are one in the same - madeup fallacies beneficial only to themselves.

 

[Meriweather]

Your statement is strange.

Read from the perspective of Paul's letter to the Corinthians.

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal".

How many Jews can honestly say of Christians, "They came in love...." And how many can honestly report, "They came as a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal."

Do you see you and your message as love...or is more like the noisy gong or clanging cymbal? Christianity presents a huge stumbling block to the whole-hearted, faithful, true to the end Jews. Remember Jesus saying that such have no need of a physician--that he came for the lost? I am one of the lost and ever thankful that the grace of God reached out even to the likes of me. When grace touches one's life, I find it impossible not to see the grace and the holiness that has touched the lives of others. It is impossible to not trust in God's grace and holy spirit descending on all those who love Him. This calls for trumpets, not noisy gongs and cymbals. Most of all, it calls for love.

 

[Quantrill]

you actually believe the yarn of a single individual made 3000 years ago without a shred of evidence - or it supplements your own misguided religious insecurities as the jews that chose abraham over all the others.

were what you claim true when have the heavens ever made the claim publicly they have anything to do w/ jews greater than anyone else ... in fact is an absurdity no honest person of religion or not without a bit of verification would believe such a fallacy as those mindless, self promoting worshipers that do.

all three desert religions are one in the same - madeup fallacies beneficial only to themselves.

Yes, I believe it all.

And, the study of the Bible produces many theological doctrines that one can spend his whole life studying and still not have plumbed the depths of what is there.

You atheist's, on the other hand, have only one liner knowledge. 'It aint so', 'all desert religions are the same', 'I don't believe it'. That's some deep shit there.

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[Quantrill]

that's a stretch the jews in the 4th century wrote the christian bible ...



what's true is they chose judaism than the events of the first century, jesus that repudiated the basic context of that religion and adopted even greater servitude and denial contrary to those events of liberation theology, self determination the people in the first century gave their lives for.

The New Testament was written long before the 4th century and by Jews. The only possible Gentile would be (Luke).

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[Quantrill]

Read from the perspective of Paul's letter to the Corinthians.

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal".

How many Jews can honestly say of Christians, "They came in love...." And how many can honestly report, "They came as a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal."

Do you see you and your message as love...or is more like the noisy gong or clanging cymbal? Christianity presents a huge stumbling block to the whole-hearted, faithful, true to the end Jews. Remember Jesus saying that such have no need of a physician--that he came for the lost? I am one of the lost and ever thankful that the grace of God reached out even to the likes of me. When grace touches one's life, I find it impossible not to see the grace and the holiness that has touched the lives of others. It is impossible to not trust in God's grace and holy spirit descending on all those who love Him. This calls for trumpets, not noisy gongs and cymbals. Most of all, it calls for love.

Read from (1 Cor. 13:1). Speaks to 'spiritual gifts' of the believers. (1 Cor. 12:1) "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. You know that ye were Gentiles carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led."

Paul is addressing fellow believers here. One may have the gift of evangelization, and he does it in love. But read (Acts 7), all of it. Was Stephen being a witness in 'love'? Did he say anything that wasn't true? Or was he a noisy gong and cymbal? Was he killed because he didn't speak in 'love'? Or, was he killed because he spoke the truth?

'Love' without the truth, is not 'love'. It is artificial and pseudo.

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[Meriweather]

Read from (1 Cor. 13:1). Speaks to 'spiritual gifts' of the believers. (1 Cor. 12:1) "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. You know that ye were Gentiles carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led."

Paul is addressing fellow believers here. One may have the gift of evangelization, and he does it in love. But read (Acts 7), all of it. Was Stephen being a witness in 'love'? Did he say anything that wasn't true? Or was he a noisy gong and cymbal? Was he killed because he didn't speak in 'love'? Or, was he killed because he spoke the truth?

'Love' without the truth, is not 'love'. It is artificial and pseudo.

Quantrill

When you come into a religion forum, you are not speaking to the same type of crowd (those who were associated with Annas and Caiaphas) Stephen was addressing. To most Jews here, 'Jesus' is merely a name, vital to a religion that is not their own. Jesus spoke to this, small but powerful, group of people in the same way. We know, for a fact, Jesus did not speak to Joseph of Arimathea or Nicodemus or those who came to listen in like manner.

The manner in which you dismiss love, I find appalling. Love of God, love of humanity, was Jesus' entire mission...God's Way...which is the way faithful Jews live today.

 

[Hafar1014]

Read from (1 Cor. 13:1). Speaks to 'spiritual gifts' of the believers. (1 Cor. 12:1) "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. You know that ye were Gentiles carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led."

Paul is addressing fellow believers here. One may have the gift of evangelization, and he does it in love. But read (Acts 7), all of it. Was Stephen being a witness in 'love'? Did he say anything that wasn't true? Or was he a noisy gong and cymbal? Was he killed because he didn't speak in 'love'? Or, was he killed because he spoke the truth?

'Love' without the truth, is not 'love'. It is artificial and pseudo.

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Your truth isnt my truth

 

[Hafar1014]

The New Testament was written long before the 4th century and by Jews. The only possible Gentile would be (Luke).

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Jews are too smart to have written the second testament.

 

[Hafar1014]

What do you base that the Jews were judged and they are finished on?

The Jews were under the judgement of God before Christ came. 70 A.D. was no end of the Jews judgement.

Again, pay attention. "His blood be upon us and our children." (Matt. 27:25) And so it has been and is.

Pay attention. Any Jew who rejects Jesus Christ is as guilty as his fathers who killed Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

So how come as we reject the idol Jesus that we managed to create the most successful culture in human history. Gods reward for believing in the real god.

 

[Quantrill]

When you come into a religion forum, you are not speaking to the same type of crowd (those who were associated with Annas and Caiaphas) Stephen was addressing. To most Jews here, 'Jesus' is merely a name, vital to a religion that is not their own. Jesus spoke to this, small but powerful, group of people in the same way. We know, for a fact, Jesus did not speak to Joseph of Arimathea or Nicodemus or those who came to listen in like manner.

The manner in which you dismiss love, I find appalling. Love of God, love of humanity, was Jesus' entire mission...God's Way...which is the way faithful Jews live today.

Nicodemus met with those who were truly interested in what he had to say. The Jews I have addressed here or the atheists I have addressed here, don't respond to me because they are interested in Jesus Christ. They respond because they already despise Jesus Christ. And they don't want to know anything you have to say about Jesus Christ. They just want to spue their hatred of Him on a forum.

When Jesus met with Pharisee Nicodemus, He was very gracious in his method of speaking. He was not so gracious to those he called the children of Satan. (John 8:44) "Ye are of your father the devil..." (John 8:42) "...If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God..."

And, Jesus didn't love all humanity. He loved those that were of God and who God gave Him. (John 17:6) "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

(John 17:9) "I pray for them, I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."

(John 17:20) "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;"

A faithful Jew is one who recognizes Christ as their Messiah and Lord. One who does not is not faithful to God. He may be faithful to Judaism, but not God.

Have I spoken to you in anyway that appalls you?

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[Meriweather]

Nicodemus met with those who were truly interested in what he had to say. The Jews I have addressed here or the atheists I have addressed here, don't respond to me because they are interested in Jesus Christ. They respond because they already despise Jesus Christ. And they don't want to know anything you have to say about Jesus Christ. They just want to spue their hatred of Him on a forum.

I haven't met one Jew here who despises Jesus. I have met those who have been appalled at the way those who claim to be followers of Jesus treat Jews. And, how some of Jesus' followers proclaim how Jesus will treat them, how Jesus sees them presently. Most do not know enough about Jesus to give him a second thought. And, I very much doubt they despise Jesus. What is scorned is your presentation of Jesus and his good news.

Have I spoken to you in anyway that appalls you?

I'm appalled by anyone who thinks Jesus' good news is that he is coming to condemn anyone for all eternity.

 

[Quantrill]

Your truth isnt my truth

No kidding?

Jews are too smart to have written the second testament.

See post (491). Just what did they write?

So how come as we reject the idol Jesus that we managed to create the most successful culture in human history. Gods reward for believing in the real god.

You haven't. See post #(487).

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[Quantrill]

I haven't met one Jew here who despises Jesus. I have met those who have been appalled at the way those who claim to be followers of Jesus treat Jews. And, how some of Jesus' followers proclaim how Jesus will treat them, how Jesus sees them presently. Most do not know enough about Jesus to give him a second thought. And, I very much doubt they despise Jesus. What is scorned is your presentation of Jesus and his good news.

I'm appalled by anyone who thinks Jesus' good news is that he is coming to condemn anyone for all eternity.

Well, you are not appalled by my words. You're appalled by God and Jesus Christ's words.

As I have said, love doesn't trump the truth. If you are telling people that there is no eternal punishment in hell, you do not love them.

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[Hafar1014]

Nicodemus met with those who were truly interested in what he had to say. The Jews I have addressed here or the atheists I have addressed here, don't respond to me because they are interested in Jesus Christ. They respond because they already despise Jesus Christ. And they don't want to know anything you have to say about Jesus Christ. They just want to spue their hatred of Him on a forum.

When Jesus met with Pharisee Nicodemus, He was very gracious in his method of speaking. He was not so gracious to those he called the children of Satan. (John 8:44) "Ye are of your father the devil..." (John 8:42) "...If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God..."

And, Jesus didn't love all humanity. He loved those that were of God and who God gave Him. (John 17:6) "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

(John 17:9) "I pray for them, I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine."

(John 17:20) "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;"

A faithful Jew is one who recognizes Christ as their Messiah and Lord. One who does not is not faithful to God. He may be faithful to Judaism, but not God.

Have I spoken to you in anyway that appalls you?

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Not appalled in any way because you dont matter. You have an opinion based on your emotional need to impose your beliefs on Jews. Of course in reality thats laughable. Jewish beliefs are so far above your thinking that we almost feel sorry for you. God gave us the message and we gave it to you. Thats like giving Shakespeare to an ape. Youre just not ready for a civilized belief based on intelligence and emotional maturity. We are who we are and you simply dont matter to us

 

[Quantrill]

Not appalled in any way because you dont matter. You have an opinion based on your emotional need to impose your beliefs on Jews. Of course in reality thats laughable. Jewish beliefs are so far above your thinking that we almost feel sorry for you. God gave us the message and we gave it to you. Thats like giving Shakespeare to an ape. Youre just not ready for a civilized belief based on intelligence and emotional maturity. We are who we are and you simply dont matter to us

What message did God give to you Jews that you have given to the Gentiles?

See post #(487).

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[Meriweather]

Well, you are not appalled by my words. You're appalled by God and Jesus Christ's words.

As I have said, love doesn't trump the truth. If you are telling people that there is no eternal punishment in hell, you do not love them.

No, I am not appalled by the words of Jesus. I am appalled at the way Jesus' words are taken out of context and hurled at people here in this forum. It is against all of what Jesus' taught to put people on the defensive and then attack. Your attitude of, Come meet Jesus, and if you don't, you are dead--is not how anyone--let alone Jesus, would care to be introduced.

"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him". Faithful Jews have a great love of God--and His Word.

As for hell: I was taught--all my life--that God sends no one to hell. Some choose to go there, a place where they can remain apart from God.

 

[Quantrill]

No, I am not appalled by the words of Jesus. I am appalled at the way Jesus' words are taken out of context and hurled at people here in this forum. It is against all of what Jesus' taught to put people on the defensive and then attack. Your attitude of, Come meet Jesus, and if you don't, you are dead--is not how anyone--let alone Jesus, would care to be introduced.

"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined what God has prepared for those who love him". Faithful Jews have a great love of God--and His Word.

As for hell: I was taught--all my life--that God sends no one to hell. Some choose to go there, a place where they can remain apart from God.

I don't believe I have ever said to anyone, at the beginning of a conversation, 'Come meet Jesus, and if you don't, you are dead'. That is not the 'good news'. The good news is 'believe on Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and you shall be saved'. And in the course of the conversation it usually gets around to, 'what do I need to be saved from?'. Which brings the bad news. Which at that time, the eternal punishment of hell is brought into the picture. The Lake of Fire is brought into the picture.

Well, hell, the Lake of Fire, is that place where those who don't want God or Christ go. But, that doesn't mean they are apart from God. They are there because of God. Hell is part of the Kingdom of God also. He created it. He is King and Owner of it.

Jews who deny Jesus Christ are not faithful to God.

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[BreezeWood]

Yes, I believe it all.

And, the study of the Bible produces many theological doctrines that one can spend his whole life studying and still not have plumbed the depths of what is there.

You atheist's, on the other hand, have only one liner knowledge. 'It aint so', 'all desert religions are the same', 'I don't believe it'. That's some deep shit there.

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were what you claim true when have the heavens ever made the claim publicly they have anything to do w/ jews greater than anyone else ...

what you claimed for jews is spurious ...

not everyone is an atheist and would not be in such numbers if the heavens ever engaged humanity in a public forum that has never happened.

those bibles have on every page forgeries, lies and fallacies not to mention their diabolical commandments found in all three desert religions as the same to persecute and victimize the innocent.