Zone1 Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

[Hafar1014]

So, how am I getting in God's way and hindering people from coming to God?

Quantrill

By threatening them with hell which doesnt exist and we dont care about.

 

[Hafar1014]

Half truths, of which you are so good at.

(John 3:17-18) "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

The whole world, both Jew and Gentile are under the condemnation of God. The good news is that Jesus can save people from that condemnation. Believe on Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. But if any reject Jesus Christ, they remain under the condemnation of God and their destination is the Lake of Fire.

So, I'm telling them what God told them. What are you telling them?

Quantrill

The world doesnt need to be saved just free from your beliefs if thats what we choose

 

[Hafar1014]

The problem is you are getting in God's way. You aren't helping bring people to God. You are hurting.

Not god your god When we have our own beliefs we have no need of yours

 

[Quantrill]

This is the lie of Christianity. There is no original sin, humanity does not need to be saved, there isa no fall of man, Jesus was man used as an idol and non Christians just dont care. Save youre own damn self

No thanks. Your words mean nothing to me. I believe the Bible, the Word of God.

But, go ahead. Save yourself.

By threatening them with hell which doesnt exist and we dont care about.

I only say what the Bible says. Whether you care or not is immaterial to me. But, go ahead. Save yourself.

The world doesnt need to be saved just free from your beliefs if thats what we choose

The Bible says otherwise. God says otherwise. Guess who I believe? It aint you.

Quantrill

 

[Hafar1014]

No thanks. Your words mean nothing to me. I believe the Bible, the Word of God.

But, go ahead. Save yourself.



I only say what the Bible says. Whether you care or not is immaterial to me. But, go ahead. Save yourself.



The Bible says otherwise. God says otherwise. Guess who I believe? It aint you.

Quantrill

Jews wrote the bible and you have no idea what it really means. We do because we created it

 

[Meriweather]

This is the lie of Christianity. There is no original sin, humanity does not need to be saved, there isa no fall of man, Jesus was man used as an idol and non Christians just dont care. Save youre own damn self

Define Original Sin as it is in your own mind. Tell me, what I, as a Christian, believe about Original Sin.

 

[Meriweather]

By threatening them with hell which doesnt exist and we dont care about.

Jews are happy about many of them choosing eternal separation from God?

 

[Meriweather]

The world doesnt need to be saved just free from your beliefs if thats what we choose

What are those beliefs?

 

[Hafar1014]

What are those beliefs?

Original sin Jesus hell a devil only you people fo to heaven

 

[Meriweather]

Original sin Jesus hell a devil only you people fo to heaven

You haven't defined any of these.

For example, original sin. What was the temptation? What was the purpose of the serpent? Or, if you believe it is all allegory, what was the temptation for Adam and Eve? Do we trust God to determine what is best (right or wrong), or should every individual decide for him/herself what is right (or wrong) for him/her? Do we trust God above self, or do we put self above God?

Don't tell me Jews never saw the break here (what you say is not "original sin"). Jews decided to become a nation under the Laws of God (Exodus). Then what happened? By the end of Judges we saw the nation change back to each individual deciding what was wrong for him/herself--and because of the resulting chaos, they decided they needed an earthly king to rule and lead the people.

For Christians, Jesus is part and parcel with God, and he is--or should be--the king we follows. But what do we see? An earthly government decides abortion is a right, left up--not to the laws of God--but to what a woman decides for herself what is right. We started out as a nation of laws--and were proud of it. However, we are once again in the midst of individual freedoms where everyone decides for him/herself what is right and wrong. This, is "original sin" all over again--the sin that has followed mankind from the beginning. Do we want God's Way or our own Way? Choosing our own way over the way of God has always been the first sin--trusting self over trusting God. Original sin is the lack of trust in God.

Tell me, Hafar--Have you ever trusted yourself and your ways more than you have trusted God and His ways?

 

[Hafar1014]

You haven't defined any of these.

For example, original sin. What was the temptation? What was the purpose of the serpent? Or, if you believe it is all allegory, what was the temptation for Adam and Eve? Do we trust God to determine what is best (right or wrong), or should every individual decide for him/herself what is right (or wrong) for him/her? Do we trust God above self, or do we put self above God?

Don't tell me Jews never saw the break here (what you say is not "original sin"). Jews decided to become a nation under the Laws of God (Exodus). Then what happened? By the end of Judges we saw the nation change back to each individual deciding what was wrong for him/herself--and because of the resulting chaos, they decided they needed an earthly king to rule and lead the people.

For Christians, Jesus is part and parcel with God, and he is--or should be--the king we follows. But what do we see? An earthly government decides abortion is a right, left up--not to the laws of God--but to what a woman decides for herself what is right. We started out as a nation of laws--and were proud of it. However, we are once again in the midst of individual freedoms where everyone decides for him/herself what is right and wrong. This, is "original sin" all over again--the sin that has followed mankind from the beginning. Do we want God's Way or our own Way? Choosing our own way over the way of God has always been the first sin--trusting self over trusting God. Original sin is the lack of trust in God.

Tell me, Hafar--Have you ever trusted yourself and your ways more than you have trusted God and His ways?

Gods teaching of morals to Adam is not a sin. It was Gods plan that he eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Complying with Gods plan cant be sin. Youll notice Adam didnt die after he ate the fruit as God said he would. He was expected to disobey so the teaching could begin. The serpent is the metaphor for guile and the only animal in Hebrew folklore with the power of speech. The story is an allegory it never happened in reality. FT
After Adam ate the fruits the trial for mans freedom begins. Man must have free will and morals to be free. Adam came to god of his own free will and passed the test.

Original in is never mentioned and it is stated that the sins of one cam never be blamed on all of humanity. So the entire idea goers against everything Genesis explaines.
OS was invented to create a reason for Jesus to exist and use the threat of hell to force obedience. Simply put its a bold faced lie used to manipulate people with the threat of eteneal punishment.

 

[BreezeWood]

Who Say That They are Jews and are Not

This is the lie of Christianity. There is no original sin, humanity does not need to be saved, there isa no fall of man, Jesus was man used as an idol and non Christians just dont care. Save youre own damn self

the truth is the 1st century events began in opposition to the lies of judaism that evolved into the lies that culminated in 4th century christianity - both of which are responsible for the crucifixion of jesus in opposition to both.

it's odd jews try and claim jesus is a jew then claim jesus had beliefs not jewish, original sin as 4th century christianity when in fact the 1st century events were the repudiation of judaisms false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al that christianity chose in their religion to embrace as well and nothing jesus and the 1st century events truly embraced - the repudiation of judaism as described. in particular present day christianity.

nothing jesus taught would dispute - "Save youre own damn self" ...

 

[Hafar1014]

the truth is the 1st century events began in opposition to the lies of judaism that evolved into the lies that culminated in 4th century christianity - both of which are responsible for the crucifixion of jesus in opposition to both.

it's odd jews try and claim jesus is a jew then claim jesus had beliefs not jewish, original sin as 4th century christianity when in fact the 1st century events were the repudiation of judaisms false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al that christianity chose in their religion to embrace as well and nothing jesus and the 1st century events truly embraced - the repudiation of judaism as described. in particular present day christianity.

nothing jesus taught would dispute - "Save youre own damn self" ...

So why are Jews the most successful culture in the face of the worst oppression in history. Because Jew haters like you fall on the low end of the scale of intelligence

 

[Meriweather]

Gods teaching of morals to Adam is not a sin. It was Gods plan that he eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Complying with Gods plan cant be sin. Youll notice Adam didnt die after he ate the fruit as God said he would. He was expected to disobey so the teaching could begin. The serpent is the metaphor for guile and the only animal in Hebrew folklore with the power of speech. The story is an allegory it never happened in reality. FT
After Adam ate the fruits the trial for mans freedom begins. Man must have free will and morals to be free. Adam came to god of his own free will and passed the test.

You are changing the story. Eve clearly tells the serpent that God said not to eat the fruit off the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Was Eve an immortal woman at that time? Did she become mortal? What we see here is that God had a plan for the Tree of Knowledge. Instead, Eve, came up with her own plan. And you tell me that it was God's plan for Eve to come up with her own plan all along...that God needed a little deceit to further His own plan?

Christian belief is that it is sin (going against the will/word of God) that enslaves. Following God's will/ways/word is what frees. Perhaps, had mankind chosen differently, we would still have had free will--but without tears and death?

 

[BreezeWood]

Jews wrote the bible and you have no idea what it really means. We do because we created it

there is nothing heavenly found in the corrupt jewish religion and is the corruption reborn from the time of noah.

 

[Hafar1014]

You are changing the story. Eve clearly tells the serpent that God said not to eat the fruit off the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Was Eve an immortal woman at that time? Did she become mortal? What we see here is that God had a plan for the Tree of Knowledge. Instead, Eve, came up with her own plan. And you tell me that it was God's plan for Eve to come up with her own plan all along...that God needed a little deceit to further His own plan?

Christian belief is that it is sin (going against the will/word of God) that enslaves. Following God's will/ways/word is what frees. Perhaps, had mankind chosen differently, we would still have had free will--but without tears and death?

The test for free will is disobedience. Unless Adam disobeyed the teaching could not start. God said youy will surely die. That was bluff and God withdrew that threat.
ITs not the tree of knowlege its the tree the fruit of which containes knowledge of good and evil. Why is the fruit sweet and the tree large and in the center of the garden? To attract them because iot was Gods plan all along that they eat the fruit. That cant be a sin. Before dam ate the fruit he couldnt even k now what a sin was. You cant sin if you cant kniw what it is.
You took a beautiful allegory and made it evil. Thats Christianity threats suffering violence and control.
Christianity teaches sin is going a against the church not god which violates the commandment Thou shall not take the name of the lord in vain.
Jews have the original covenent with God we are the chosen. Youre just along for the ride

 

[BreezeWood]

Christian belief is that it is sin (going against the will/word of God) that enslaves. Following God's will/ways/word is what frees. Perhaps, had mankind chosen differently, we would still have had free will--but without tears and death?

all in the heavens are equal ...

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

the true religion of antiquity, goal granted a&e as their request - the triumph of good vs evil - what jesus taught is all that is necessary to acquire judgement and admission to the everlasting.

noah is the final warning, no intervention from the heavens has occurred since that time than timely encounters of heavenly persuasion as the 1st century events concluding with the crucifixion of the main character as a tumultuous outcome present to this day.

the crucifiers must be brought to justice before the possible return to paradise for humanity to ever occur again.

 

[Meriweather]

The test for free will is disobedience.

Says who? In fact, says what logic? Are any of the women choosing abortion, or the medical team doing/assisting with the abortion, thinking "Look at this! I am being so disobedient! Hurray for my free will that allows me to disobey and to do wrong." By your logic, those who are following the ways of God have given up his/her free will and, therefore, are not following God at all.

Unless Adam disobeyed the teaching could not start. God said youy will surely die. That was bluff and God withdrew that threat.

Again, not logical. It's like saying that unless students blow up the science lab, teaching cannot start. Unless one does not follow the recipe for making a cake, one cannot learn how to follow a recipe.

ITs not the tree of knowlege its the tree the fruit of which containes knowledge of good and evil. Why is the fruit sweet and the tree large and in the center of the garden? To attract them because iot was Gods plan all along that they eat the fruit. That cant be a sin. Before dam ate the fruit he couldnt even k now what a sin was. You cant sin if you cant kniw what it is.
You took a beautiful allegory and made it evil. Thats Christianity threats suffering violence and control.
Christianity teaches sin is going a against the church not god which violates the commandment Thou shall not take the name of the lord in vain.

One Hebrew teaching about this points out, first everything in the garden was good and God planned and saw that it was good. This teaching also theorizes that God planned for this fruit to be eaten--not just yet--it was not yet the fullness of time for that to occur. In fact, some Jewish sects today still do not eat the first fruiting of a young tree--in remembrance of fruit once eaten too soon. Sin is missing the target, and I am willing to bet that while in the garden either Adam or Eve tossed something to the other--and missed that target.

Besides, the main point of the account is that Eve--then Adam--chose to break trust in God in preference of trust in either the serpent or themselves. And that, is the beauty of the allegory--and is still as sharp and true today as it was then. Our ancestors had a great talent for story-telling--one that is not often present today.

Sin against the Church? Don't be silly. One can only sin against God. Is that a lesson you, as a Jew, have forgotten or do not understand?

Jews have the original covenent with God we are the chosen. Youre just along for the ride

Only...we don't see it as a "ride", but the Way of Life, aka, Kingdom living.

 

[norwegen]

Because Israel as a nation has not repented. As a nation they still reject Jesus Christ as their fathers before them did and crucified Him. Pilate declared he was innocent of the blood of Jesus as he was trying to free Him. The Jews answered him, "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." And so it has been and is.

I have already said what the Jews need to repent from.

Quantrill

Why isn't any other group that isn't Christian an untoward generation?

The first-century Jews were the most wicked generation of them, according to the Bible and to history.

Jews today don't worship idols. They're not the generation whose fathers murdered the prophets or who themselves murdered any prophets. They didn't rebel against the state and visit famine and bloodshed on hundreds of thousands of fellow Jews. They didn't bring an abrupt and catastrophic end to their culture.

You're blaming innocent people on the wickedness and cruelty caused two thousand years ago by a different people. Your biases are unfounded. Like so many others, you make up stories independent of any biblical truth.

 

[norwegen]

Jews wrote the bible and you have no idea what it really means. We do because we created it

Jews wrote the New Testament, too. Do you understand that?