Who is the Liar?

[Roudy]

The Arabs who live in Israel and chosen to become citizens of that country, and more and more of them are choosing to do so, are in total disagreement of what you are saying.

They would tell me they undergo the same process as a Jewish person who wants to move there?

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

I think it was a combination of both. But more the first--the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Conference, the vote in the U.N., etc.

 

[Roudy]

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

Yes Israel has chosen to be a pseudo-Jewish theocracy, and to live with the problems it brings. So in response to the OP, no, Arabs are not treated equally.

You don't just throw "theocracy" into the argument without even realizing what it means.

As an Israeli, I can trash Judaism every day and night in newspapers, TV and radio, and I won't get arrested.

As and Israeli, I can go undercover, with "the girls" out, with a "do me" skirt, out in public, and I won't get arrested.

As an Israeli girl, I can kiss another girl in public, and I won't get arrested. Or tossed off a roof.

As an Israeli non-religious person, I can argue for hours with an Ultra-Orthodox person about weather God exists or not, and nobody will think "blasphemy!" on me, because it's ok to have open discussions.

As an Israeli, I can say all religious people are idiots, and nobody will give a ****.

So don't talk about "theocracy"! you know nothing about it.

But dont ever call into question what really happened in the "holocaust" or you could go to jail

You mean like how the Germans and a few other European countries prosecute Holocaust deniers? Ha ha ha.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Netanyahu was elected democratically. He was elected because his opponent, Hertzog, has as much charisma as a 10 year old comic nerd. His election method was all wrong and that is why he, as well as his camp - lost.

The Arabs don't want to be in the coalition because many of them don't think the Israeli government is legitimate. They want some kind of negative influence on the right.

I remember Netanyahu urging Jews to vote in the last election by saying the filthy Arabs were being bussed in to vote. Not sure he said "filthy," but it's certainly implied.

 

[Roudy]

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

Yes Israel has chosen to be a pseudo-Jewish theocracy, and to live with the problems it brings. So in response to the OP, no, Arabs are not treated equally.

You don't just throw "theocracy" into the argument without even realizing what it means.

As an Israeli, I can trash Judaism every day and night in newspapers, TV and radio, and I won't get arrested.

As and Israeli, I can go undercover, with "the girls" out, with a "do me" skirt, out in public, and I won't get arrested.

As an Israeli girl, I can kiss another girl in public, and I won't get arrested. Or tossed off a roof.

As an Israeli non-religious person, I can argue for hours with an Ultra-Orthodox person about weather God exists or not, and nobody will think "blasphemy!" on me, because it's ok to have open discussions.

As an Israeli, I can say all religious people are idiots, and nobody will give a ****.

So don't talk about "theocracy"! you know nothing about it.

But dont ever call into question what really happened in the "holocaust" or you could go to jail

Anti-Semites always say that Jews continually bring up the Holocaust, when in reality they do.

"Anti-Semites always say that Jews continually bring up the Holocaust, when in reality they do."

Yawn, same irrelevant shit video for the thousandth time. Come up with something new, will ya? What's entertaining is the asshole pretends not to be an antisemtie. ya gotta love it!

 

[TheOldSchool]

The Arabs who live in Israel and chosen to become citizens of that country, and more and more of them are choosing to do so, are in total disagreement of what you are saying.

They would tell me they undergo the same process as a Jewish person who wants to move there?

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

Yes, unequally. The whole point of the thread.

 

[Roudy]

Why can't a country decide for itself who to bring in and who to not?

Palestine was denied that right when the jewish illegal immigrants poured into Palestine and took over by force of arms

Actually the Jews were legal, it was the Arabs that poured in.

 

[Roudy]

The Arabs who live in Israel and chosen to become citizens of that country, and more and more of them are choosing to do so, are in total disagreement of what you are saying.

They would tell me they undergo the same process as a Jewish person who wants to move there?

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

Yes, unequally. The whole point of the thread.

Yes, they are surrounded by over 700 million Arab Muslims and they already have over two million, with limited space and resources. Plus, the countries they are coming from are extremely hostile to Israel and the Jews.

 

[P F Tinmore]

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

They wouldn't give you their land so you had to steal it by force.

Gotcha!

 

[Roudy]

Why can't a country decide for itself who to bring in and who to not?

Palestine was denied that right when the jewish illegal immigrants poured into Palestine and took over by force of arms

"Palestine" was never an officical state.

My grandmother was born and raised on this land, and so was her mother, and so was hers. So being their relative, I have the right to decide who I want here and who I don't.

Simple.

"My grandmother was born and raised on this land, and so was her mother, and so was hers. So being their relative, I have the right to decide who I want here and who I don't." Er no you don't
You're adopted Lipaz, you are South American

Excellent point. Yes, it is true most Palestinians have now lived on their stolen land for several generations never having had any titles or deeds to it.

First Nation American indians never had title or deeds to the land, they never had the notion that Man could lay claim to own as his the Land

Neither did the Jews of Israel who were invaded by Muslims and Christians.

 

[Roudy]

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

They wouldn't give you their land so you had to steal it by force.

Gotcha!

They were never in charge of the land to give it or not, idiot!

 

[P F Tinmore]

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

I think it was a combination of both. But more the first--the Balfour Declaration, the San Remo Conference, the vote in the U.N., etc.

None of those transferred any land.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Arabs who live in Israel and chosen to become citizens of that country, and more and more of them are choosing to do so, are in total disagreement of what you are saying.

They would tell me they undergo the same process as a Jewish person who wants to move there?

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

Yes, unequally. The whole point of the thread.

Reread the first post. It does not say what you seem to think it says.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

They wouldn't give you their land so you had to steal it by force.

Gotcha!

They were never in charge of the land to give it or not, idiot!

So then, whose land was it?

 

[Roudy]

When was the last time an Arab wanted to move to Israel from any Arab state?

How should I know? But they could if they wanted to. Right? Right?!

BTW, There are many who can move to Israel without being Jews. Israel has a large Russian non-Jewish community who are citizens of Israel.

Oh that's cool. So if a non-Jewish Russian wanted to move to Israel now, it would be the same process as for a Jewish person. Right? Right?!

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

Ha ha ha. Stop making up shit. Are those the same so called Palestinians who after the unsuccessful attempt to destroy the Jewish state in 1948, were kept in concentration camp style conditions in Gaza and West Bank by fellow Arab Jordanians and Egyptians for twenty years?!

OMG what a dipshit.

 

[Roudy]

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

They wouldn't give you their land so you had to steal it by force.

Gotcha!

They were never in charge of the land to give it or not, idiot!

So then, whose land was it?

It was Ottoman ruled for centuries and then conquered by the British after it collapsed after WWI. For the millionth time.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.

They wouldn't give you their land so you had to steal it by force.

Gotcha!

Arabs acquired the partition resolution through riots, violence, murder and expulsion of Jews from 1920 on.

Your history of the area starts always and only in 1948.
The Arabs chose war, rather than partition and peace.
They chose to leave or fight and be expelled once they lost the war they started.

You cannot live with that truth, that is an issue only you need to deal with.

Yes, force is what the Jews had to use to stay alive, to survive the onslaught of 7 different armies, helped by the British themselves, going totally against the Mandate they had to recreate sovereignty for the Jews on the Ancient Jewish Homeland.

By all means, never EVER, deal with that.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The Arabs who live in Israel and chosen to become citizens of that country, and more and more of them are choosing to do so, are in total disagreement of what you are saying.

They would tell me they undergo the same process as a Jewish person who wants to move there?

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

Yes, unequally. The whole point of the thread.

Yes, they are surrounded by over 700 million Arab Muslims and they already have over two million, with limited space and resources. Plus, the countries they are coming from are extremely hostile to Israel and the Jews.

Yeah that's the price of claiming the most blood-soaked land on Earth as yours alone.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Arabs who live in Israel and chosen to become citizens of that country, and more and more of them are choosing to do so, are in total disagreement of what you are saying.

They would tell me they undergo the same process as a Jewish person who wants to move there?

Their country they get to decide who gets in. That's how it works.

Yes, unequally. The whole point of the thread.

Yes, they are surrounded by over 700 million Arab Muslims and they already have over two million, with limited space and resources. Plus, the countries they are coming from are extremely hostile to Israel and the Jews.

Yeah that's the price of claiming the most blood-soaked land on Earth as yours alone.

What is it with you that you wish to believe that the Israel, Judea and Samaria are the "most blood-soaked land on the earth" ?

How dare you forget what happened in Europe during WWII?
Or what happened in Armenia during WWI?
Or in Sudan?

And the Land of Israel IS and has always been, according to the Christians and Muslims themselves - a land which belongs to the Jewish People, where Jewish History was born.

The Land does belong to the Jews, you like it or not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How should I know? But they could if they wanted to. Right? Right?!

Oh that's cool. So if a non-Jewish Russian wanted to move to Israel now, it would be the same process as for a Jewish person. Right? Right?!

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

Ha ha ha. Stop making up shit. Are those the same so called Palestinians who after the unsuccessful attempt to destroy the Jewish state in 1948, were kept in concentration camp style conditions in Gaza and West Bank by fellow Arab Jordanians and Egyptians for twenty years?!

OMG what a dipshit.

Deflection.