Who is the Liar?

[fanger]

"My grandmother was born and raised on this land, and so was her mother, and so was hers. So being their relative, I have the right to decide who I want here and who I don't."
You're adopted Lipaz, you are South American

I'm Israeli. Israel is my mother and my daughter.

Now adress the point or piss off.

I will address the point, and you may be the one who pisses off, you being adopted did not give you historic ancestry to the land of Palestine, or a lineage to jews, you were taken in by some very nice people who gave you a home and a family, but your ancestry is imagined

I'm not going to further argue this point with you, because you're irrelevant.

As I said before, I'm Israeli, I'm proud to be an Israeli, and Jewish, and Zionist. I will gladly sacrifice myself for this land like Hadas Malka, the boarder keeper, did few days ago, and I will do it with pride if needed.

While people argue their hatred, I will teach my future children to be proud Israelis, proud Zionists, and good human beings, and that's what it is, and that is not going to change. You hate, Israel exists.

And that's the way we like it.

" I'm not going to further argue this point with you, because I can think of no rebuttal"
butt out Lipaz, you were adopted by a family, not by a state

You can mute your unknown biological parents, and adopt an Apartheid state in their place

 

[Lipush]

 

[fanger]

fail

 

[Lipush]

fail

Lipaz.

Nice to meet you.

 

[Indeependent]

"Palestine" was never an officical state.

My grandmother was born and raised on this land, and so was her mother, and so was hers. So being their relative, I have the right to decide who I want here and who I don't.

Simple.

"My grandmother was born and raised on this land, and so was her mother, and so was hers. So being their relative, I have the right to decide who I want here and who I don't." Er no you don't
You're adopted Lipaz, you are South American

Excellent point. Yes, it is true most Palestinians have now lived on their stolen land for several generations never having had any titles or deeds to it.

First Nation American indians never had title or deeds to the land, they never had the notion that Man could lay claim to own as his the Land

I suggest everyone go back to where they lived right after Noah's Ark.
Then you will realize that every nation got it's current borders by committing murder.
Then you can eat shit.

Maybe, but not zionist bullshit, I will leave the whole plate for you to devour with gusto

Thank you for admitting you have no factual retort.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When was the last time an Arab wanted to move to Israel from any Arab state?

How should I know? But they could if they wanted to. Right? Right?!

BTW, There are many who can move to Israel without being Jews. Israel has a large Russian non-Jewish community who are citizens of Israel.

Oh that's cool. So if a non-Jewish Russian wanted to move to Israel now, it would be the same process as for a Jewish person. Right? Right?!

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What I don't understand is why no Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return. And why they had to massacre their Palestinians by the tens of thousands & leave tens of thousands of others as refugees? Is it possible the Arab countries do not see their Palestinian brothers as friendly, peaceful & life loving?

I guess they just hate anybody in general that lives in the blood soaked "holy" land

Israel has made a lasting peace with Egypt, Jordan & Saudi Arabia while the Palestinians have not made peace with any Arab nation.

Why should the Palestinians "make peace" when they are not at war with anyone?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes Israel has chosen to be a pseudo-Jewish theocracy, and to live with the problems it brings. So in response to the OP, no, Arabs are not treated equally.

You don't just throw "theocracy" into the argument without even realizing what it means.

As an Israeli, I can trash Judaism every day and night in newspapers, TV and radio, and I won't get arrested.

As and Israeli, I can go undercover, with "the girls" out, with a "do me" skirt, out in public, and I won't get arrested.

As an Israeli girl, I can kiss another girl in public, and I won't get arrested. Or tossed off a roof.

As an Israeli non-religious person, I can argue for hours with an Ultra-Orthodox person about weather God exists or not, and nobody will think "blasphemy!" on me, because it's ok to have open discussions.

As an Israeli, I can say all religious people are idiots, and nobody will give a ****.

So don't talk about "theocracy"! you know nothing about it.

I said "pseudo" Theocracy, considering that Israel labels itself a Jewish state and actively discourages non-Jews from living there

What is wrong with the term of Jewish state?

Nothing, except for the preferred status granted to Jewish people

How many Arab ministers are in the Israeli Knesset?

How many times has an Arab party been part of a coalition government?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

When was the last time an Arab wanted to move to Israel from any Arab state?

How should I know? But they could if they wanted to. Right? Right?!

BTW, There are many who can move to Israel without being Jews. Israel has a large Russian non-Jewish community who are citizens of Israel.

Oh that's cool. So if a non-Jewish Russian wanted to move to Israel now, it would be the same process as for a Jewish person. Right? Right?!

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

 

[Shusha]

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

You have a funny way of interpreting law one way or the other depending on your specific goal for denying Jewish rights. You keep trying to have it both ways, all ways, any way where the Joooooos are in the wrong.

Palestinian refugees are only Israeli citizens if you accept the notion that the entire territory is Israel and that the Arab Palestinians have no rights to self-determination and their own sovereignty and that the territory can not be partitioned into two States for two peoples. Also, Palestinian refugees can only be Israeli citizens if Israel is a legitimate state.

Do you concede those things? Or are you going to try to back track in your next post?


Oh, and only those who obtained Palestinian citizenship in 1925 would be Israeli. Their descendants would be citizens of the territory in which they were born, according to laws against statelessness.

 

[Shusha]

Why should the Palestinians "make peace" when they are not at war with anyone?

FFS. You just said on another thread that the presence of Jews in the territory is an act hostility. You constantly champion the right of "freedom fighting" and "defending against Zionist colonial oppression".

And now you say they are not at war with anyone?!

Dude. Pick a goal post and plant it and leave it there. Either they are not at war with anyone and therefore all acts of belligerence and aggression are nothing but terrorism. OR they are at war with the "hostile" Jews and have a right to defend against them.

You can not have it both ways, brother.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How should I know? But they could if they wanted to. Right? Right?!

Oh that's cool. So if a non-Jewish Russian wanted to move to Israel now, it would be the same process as for a Jewish person. Right? Right?!

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why should the Palestinians "make peace" when they are not at war with anyone?

FFS. You just said on another thread that the presence of Jews in the territory is an act hostility. You constantly champion the right of "freedom fighting" and "defending against Zionist colonial oppression".

And now you say they are not at war with anyone?!

Dude. Pick a goal post and plant it and leave it there. Either they are not at war with anyone and therefore all acts of belligerence and aggression are nothing but terrorism. OR they are at war with the "hostile" Jews and have a right to defend against them.

You can not have it both ways, brother.

I know, it is confusing. Palestine is not at war with any of its neighbors.

 

[Lipush]

You don't just throw "theocracy" into the argument without even realizing what it means.

As an Israeli, I can trash Judaism every day and night in newspapers, TV and radio, and I won't get arrested.

As and Israeli, I can go undercover, with "the girls" out, with a "do me" skirt, out in public, and I won't get arrested.

As an Israeli girl, I can kiss another girl in public, and I won't get arrested. Or tossed off a roof.

As an Israeli non-religious person, I can argue for hours with an Ultra-Orthodox person about weather God exists or not, and nobody will think "blasphemy!" on me, because it's ok to have open discussions.

As an Israeli, I can say all religious people are idiots, and nobody will give a ****.

So don't talk about "theocracy"! you know nothing about it.

I said "pseudo" Theocracy, considering that Israel labels itself a Jewish state and actively discourages non-Jews from living there

What is wrong with the term of Jewish state?

Nothing, except for the preferred status granted to Jewish people

How many Arab ministers are in the Israeli Knesset?

How many times has an Arab party been part of a coalition government?

None that I can recall.

They don't have enough voters for coalition.

And they are not interested in managing the Israeli government, so that's not an issue.

 

[Lipush]

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

 

[MJB12741]

What's with the "Right? Right?!" thing? it makes you sound weird.

And to answer truthfully, probably not. But that is not to be a mojor problem, because, again, there is a mass community of non-Jews. The exact process? I don't know it, I never had to go through it. But you realize now that you're grasping at straws, don't you? first you hint that living moving to Israel is nearly impossible if you're not Jews, now "Oh, it's possible, but very difficult".

Keep this rate, and you might actually come to the truth at some point.

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Eh, Tinmore. If Israel isn't a legitimate state why has all Palestinian leadership dedicated themselves to eliminating the "state of Israel."

 

[P F Tinmore]

I said "pseudo" Theocracy, considering that Israel labels itself a Jewish state and actively discourages non-Jews from living there

What is wrong with the term of Jewish state?

Nothing, except for the preferred status granted to Jewish people

How many Arab ministers are in the Israeli Knesset?

How many times has an Arab party been part of a coalition government?

None that I can recall.

They don't have enough voters for coalition.

And they are not interested in managing the Israeli government, so that's not an issue.

They are the third largest block. Were they asked to be in the coalition? No. Netenyahu scraped the bottom of the barrel to get all those little shit parties to get enough seats.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are completely dodging the question. This thread is about equal rights. Is the process for non-Jews the same for moving to Israel as it is for Jewish people? Yes or no.

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

 

[Lipush]

Netanyahu was elected democratically. He was elected because his opponent, Hertzog, has as much charisma as a 10 year old comic nerd. His election method was all wrong and that is why he, as well as his camp - lost.

The Arabs don't want to be in the coalition because many of them don't think the Israeli government is legitimate. They want some kind of negative influence on the right.

 

[Lipush]

Equal rights do not apply to non citizens, dufus. A country has the right to decide who it wants to allow inside its borders and how many.

According to international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens. It is not a matter of immigration.

I thought that according to you, the State of Israel doesn't exist.

That is assuming that Israel is a legitimate state. Nobody has proven that to be true.

Nobody has proven it isn't true.

That is because everybody ducks my questions. Israel could have only acquired land in two ways.

Illegally by force.

Legally by treaty.

Which one was it?

We wanted the second. The enemy forced us to the first.