Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

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Nobody it seems so all the fighters are liberals-right? They all want to run the govt because then they will have the power to force the people to do what they should be doing!!!
 
I think right now they are either fighting to get a govt that won't kill all the neighbors and half the population... or they are fighting for a govt that WILL do those things but favor the govt's backers.

Fine points like whether the govt will or won't buy votes by "giving" people trinkets, aren't being examined much.
 
I think right now they are either fighting to get a govt that won't kill all the neighbors and half the population... or they are fighting for a govt that WILL do those things but favor the govt's backers.

Fine points like whether the govt will or won't buy votes by "giving" people trinkets, aren't being examined much.
Wrong of course they're fighting for control of the government so that they can have absolute control of all the people. This is what liberals do everywhere all the time
 
They are too busy fighting for religious freedom to worry about fighting for limited govt


Wrong of course all sects of the Muslim religion are totally 100% opposed to limited government. Do you understand how Liberal the Muslim religion is ??
 
Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

I'm not sure, but I think that would be ISIS? Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda took care of limiting Gaddafi's govt, and ISIS is working on al-Assad's.
 
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Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

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nobody in the Middle East is fighting for limited government because all the groups there are very very liberal i.e. they love big central government
 
nobody in the Middle East is fighting for limited government because all the groups there are very very liberal i.e. they love big central government
ISIS doesn't like Assad's big central govt...
You are not very smart are you? Isis wants to replace the authoritarian government of Syria with its own totalitarian central Liberal government Now do you understand
 
You are not very smart are you? Isis wants to replace the authoritarian government of Syria with its own totalitarian central Liberal government Now do you understand
ISIS isn't exactly an official govt - they are terrorists. They want to replace Assad much like Al Qaeda 'replaced' Gaddafi and his govt.

You may choose to recognize ISIS as a 'govt'. I don't.
 
You are not very smart are you? Isis wants to replace the authoritarian government of Syria with its own totalitarian central Liberal government Now do you understand
ISIS isn't exactly an official govt - they are terrorists. They want to replace Assad much like Al Qaeda 'replaced' Gaddafi and his govt.

You may choose to recognize ISIS as a 'govt'. I don't.
Insane!!!!!!!!! They set up a huge all powerful liberal govt the instant they control a tiny patch of ground!!

They are encouraged by American liberals who want the same thing although they are greatly impeded by Republicans who want the opposite.
 
Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

I'm not sure, but I think that would be ISIS? Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda took care of limiting Gaddafi's govt, and ISIS is working on al-Assad's.
Criminal elements encourage those attacks too via the religious aspect. Lots of thugs use religion as their excuse and to their advantage where possible.
 
Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

I'm not sure, but I think that would be ISIS? Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda took care of limiting Gaddafi's govt, and ISIS is working on al-Assad's.
Criminal elements encourage those attacks too via the religious aspect. Lots of thugs use religion as their excuse and to their advantage where possible.

so you agree that no one is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East? that there are no Thomas Jefferson's in the Middle East because American liberals have in effect killed them all?
 
Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

I'm not sure, but I think that would be ISIS? Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda took care of limiting Gaddafi's govt, and ISIS is working on al-Assad's.
Criminal elements encourage those attacks too via the religious aspect. Lots of thugs use religion as their excuse and to their advantage where possible.

so you agree that no one is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East? that there are no Thomas Jefferson's in the Middle East because American liberals have in effect killed them all?
I'm saying they have issues beyond just governance issues.
Here is one article:

April 18, 2017
Sadr cuts half the salary of workers in his current six months after the abolition of the bodies
Economic problems related to corruption

BAGHDAD - The leader of the Sadrist movement Moqtada al-Sadr on Monday called on the competent authorities within the current to hand over half the salary to all the joints for six months, except what was excluded, because of the financial distress experienced by the country.
BAGHDAD - The leader of the Sadrist movement Moqtada al-Sadr on Monday called on the competent authorities within the current to hand over half the salary to all the joints for six months, except what was excluded, because of the financial distress experienced by the country.

He said in a statement: «Due to the financial hardship we are going through, the competent authorities within the current half of the salary to all joints except what is excluded as workers in the martyrs and martyrs of the joints for six months from the date of statement».

Al-Sadr called on his supporters to be patient and called on them to abide by the resolution, pointing out that those who would not commit themselves to get out of the current, said: "I wish everyone patience or is in a solution to me"

And issued a statement yesterday, the closure of the economic body of the Sadrist movement. This decision revealed the dimensions of administrative corruption in the Iraqi parties and the exploitation of positions in the acquisition of public money.

"The Iraqi state is on the verge of collapse because of the exploitation of the economic bodies in the parties to the ministries, which are their share in order to obtain economic benefits at the expense of public money," said MP Najaf, former planning minister Ali Shukri.

He explained that «ministries and provincial councils and governors are sold by parties to get the booty».

"It is not harmful for parties to have an economic body that works on projects under the law to finance their parties, but this should not be at the expense of public funds, so that the potential of the financial parties and their funding has exceeded the capabilities of the state," Shukri said. And this thing is unparalleled in the countries of the world ». He called «all blocs and political parties to« Representing the chest in the abolition of economic bodies because it is a door of corruption, and to stay away from such practices ».

He noted that «all political blocs have economic bodies and coordinators organize their work in the ministries run by members of those blocks».
According to the source «There is a conflict between the political blocs not to serve Iraq, but to ministries with the financial resources available to the parties. The ministries and government positions such as the provincial council and governors have been put up for sale in order to get the booty, which is a serious imbalance ».

"The government and the parliament have the responsibility to address this corruption," he said, calling on all Iraqis to "stand up for Iraq and not remain silent". He also warned that "the parliament has lost its oversight role because the political blocs are dominated by it." He warned that "the parties are currently working to change the electoral law to ensure greater control over the parliament and its decisions so that there will be no independent MPs defending the interests of the people .

He pointed out that «the parties spent in the last elections billions of dinars and no one asks parties where you have this».

Referring to one of the corruption models, Shukri pointed out that Najaf airport management consists of the parties that run the province, based on a decision by the provincial council, asking "Where is the government and the Integrity Commission from this public corruption?"

MP Zahir al-Abadi refused to have the presence of economic bodies in parties at the expense of public money.

MP Abadi said in a televised statement that "Sadr's decision proves the existence of economic bodies in the parties to support its activities and programs."

"There is nothing wrong with the fact that there are economic bodies that support the projects of the parties through the establishment of their development projects, which take into account the law, but not at the expense of public money," he said.

He called on «other parties to follow the example of Sadr and move away on economic projects that are suspected of corruption».

The Sadr, ordered, yesterday, the closure of the economic body of the current immediately, in the wake of the disclosure of individuals exploiting their presence in the Sadrist movement to make a huge profit.

"In order to complete the public and private reform project, it is necessary to make a decision to: deprive and prevent any financial or commercial work, so the closure of the Sadrist movement's economic body must be immediately and without delay," Sadr said in a statement. Strict measures with all those who violate this decision ».

"Most of what is going on is within the corruption and manipulations of the people who suffered the misfortune of financial behavior, in addition to the abuse of our reputation, especially since most of them personally took advantage of the public interests of the current and others," the Sadr statement said. "Do not forget that all this is in the interest of strengthening the state. Iraq.

"After that, God will open his blessings to us and to the project of public and private reform, and pay reform and reformers and reconcile them to success and prosperity."

Observers of the situation of the Iraqi parties indicate that their financial capabilities have increased since their control of power in cooperation with the US occupation after 2003, benefiting from the administration of ministries and the spread of corruption and the confiscation of public money, so that it became a state within the state, which makes it difficult to limit its capabilities and potential.
 
Who is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East?

I'm not sure, but I think that would be ISIS? Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda took care of limiting Gaddafi's govt, and ISIS is working on al-Assad's.
Criminal elements encourage those attacks too via the religious aspect. Lots of thugs use religion as their excuse and to their advantage where possible.

so you agree that no one is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East? that there are no Thomas Jefferson's in the Middle East because American liberals have in effect killed them all?
Here is another:
Tyranny of tyranny on the Lebanese way
by Elias Khoury

The controversy over the law of parliamentary elections in Lebanon, the storms it provokes, and what appears to be tension in the relations of the princes of the sects, is an attempt to re-establish the system of civil war, after the Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon in 2005.
Under Syrian tutelage, the decision was outside Lebanon in full form. The ruling troupe was unable to decide on the basic issues left to Anger and Damascus, but after the collapse of the old regime and the inability of the independence uprising to produce a new formula, Lebanon reverted to the edge of war.

The edge of the war is a game that is developed by a new class that rose after the Taif Accord and was forced to receive those expelled after the independence uprising. The game is based on a new political reality. The new class, consisting of warlords and money, and the partner of banks in blackmailing the Lebanese economy has broken all taboo, looting became a pride and extortion culture and impoverishment of people a means of profanity.

This mafia can only rule Lebanon through two strategies:
The first is to put Lebanon on the verge of a permanent civil war. This requires sectarian pricing, raising fanatical slogans and suggesting that religious communities are threatened. The brink of war is the means of blackmailing and subjugating Lebanese society. The Lebanese and the Lebanese have emerged from their long civil war with an eloquent lesson, that sectarian war is absurd. It is a means of destroying oneself and eliminating the place and soul. Today, as we witness the barbaric war taking place in Syria, the greatest fear is the renewed war. This is what this junta threatens us every day.

The second is to erase the non-sectarian and secular forces of the equation. In the municipal elections in Beirut and some other municipalities, the rebel civil forces have recorded the power of the parties of this junta with results indicating that people can no longer tolerate this disgrace. Then, the elections of the Engineers Syndicate took place with a glorious victory for the civil stream through the victory of Eng. Gad Tabet as captain, breaking the sectarian taboo, by resorting to a cohesive and organized civilian base. These indicators came to ring the alarm, pointing out that the Lebanese society broke from the nightmare of this junta that filled the earth with corruption and corruption.

The electoral law, which is being deliberated and tugged on its details, is the product of the awareness of this junta about the need to close the political arena to civil and secular forces, whether reform or radical. This is done through two-round elections: in the first judicial session, each religious group chooses candidates from its own sect to qualify for the second round, which is held on the basis of proportional representation at the level of larger constituencies that have been trimmed to suit everyone.

In order to elect us to be sectarianists, we will elect in the first stage representatives of our communities who represent them in the second stage.
This means two issues:

The first is that secularists and those who reject sectarianism can not participate in elections because they insult their convictions and affiliations. Who told Mr. Gibran Basil that people like me would like to be defined at the political level according to their sectarian affiliation? Who told you that we, those who despise sectarianism and consider it a racist phenomenon, should be put in a cage that we do not believe in and consider it shameful and shameful?

The second issue is that this electoral law, if it passes, will mean turning Lebanon into a confederation of sects that does not have the geographical constituents of existence. Communities are not nationalities and do not have their own land, and the civil war, despite its barbarism, has failed to establish sectarian cleansing areas. The sectarian war has only succeeded at two levels. The first is to push more than a third of the Lebanese to emigrate from Lebanon, and the second is to expose this junta of politicians of banditry and waste of values to Lebanon.

The confessional confederation that this junta seeks to establish is a return to the Huasua of the Metzarifia system but without an external reference that controls it. At the time of the long reign of the Syrian tyrannical regime in Lebanon, the political decision was in Damascus. Today, the multiplicity of reference points between Tehran and Riyadh ... will mean that what the ruling junta seeks by playing on the brink of civil war may slip out of its hands at any moment. This will only lead to the Great Disaster, because a new civil war will mean the end and total destruction of Lebanese society.

This tirade of contradictions will not bring Christians back to the center of decision in power, as the Maronite dynasties dream. It will not protect Hezbollah's arms or strengthen the authority of the Shiite bishops. Hariri will not be the sole Sunni leader but will lead everyone to the destruction and destruction of Lebanon.

Lebanon has not witnessed, in its modern and contemporary history of Makhaz, a fool like this foolishness, and contempt for people is similar to this contempt and contempt. Today, Lebanon is living under sectarianism, with no sect other than the plundering and extortion of the external forces, exploiting the moment of this decadent darkness in the Arab East to spread their darkness and darkness and take Lebanon to the abyss.

Whether the law passed or failed and another law was used to achieve the goal of closing the policy in the face of civilians, secularists and democrats, whether the ruling junta to the parliamentary elections or was forced to extend because of conflicting interests of its components, the only point of light looming is the fear of this junta of Civil Powers.

This forces a great role for these forces. Their fear must be turned into reality and struggle to prevent them from passing catastrophic laws or imposing an extension. This is possible for the additional reason that this class is disjointed and trivial and has only a meaningless rhetoric.
 
Plus one more. This one caught my attention and I search through the chemist names, etc. last night. Where are the chemicals coming from? Iraq was chemically attack too but not many talking about that.
Ayman Zidane: Chemist of the homeland, the most merciful of Parvan alienation ... When CNN refused to offer an interview with Bashar al-Assad ... and Saudi women: the piano before driving the car

Rashed Issa

CNN has rejected the offer of an interview with Bashar al-Assad after Chemawi Khan Sheikhan, conducted by the AFP, considering it part of «propaganda blatant system to deny the acquisition of the chemical massacre».

(AFP) in turn confirmed that the interview was filmed under the supervision of government officials, and that a few questions and answers were approved before the broadcast to the world. The interview was not fully presented until the approval of the Syrian regime, which he wanted to broadcast on state television.

The position of the channel, as much as it condemns the propaganda of the regime, involves no less harsh criticism of the performance of the French Press Agency, the interviewer, what media achievement when the agency is subject to the conditions of the regime? To obey them means one thing: a substance made by local standards, an official speaking on behalf of the regime, but with a foreign team. In other words, this means that the system has hired a professional foreign team that has a high tradition and professionalism to send a message with wooden contents, a propaganda for killing, forgery and denial.

To put it more precisely: the interview crew was a hired team.

Chemist Ayman Zidane

"A chemist at home and not a paraffin with a stranger." The latest writings of Syrian actor and director Ayman Zidan on his Facebook page. Zidane wrote this phrase from 323 km, where sarin gas can not cut all this distance. He is quite sure that he will not be among the injured, not fearing that the sarin will touch any of his sons (God protect them from all evil), he will be able to brag as he pleases as long as he will not pay the price.

Zidane's words can sum up the theory of steadfastness that belongs to some residents of Damascus, who live under the Republican Guard, the Fourth Brigade, the National Defense Bloc, and other Afghan, Iraqi, Lebanese and Iranian militias. Sheikun killed 84 civilians, including 27 children and 19 women.

Ayman Zidane does not know anything about the massacre, or perhaps he has to tell his story about it and its news. His writings do not suggest that he was influenced by the sensual sensitivity of Damascus' corners, crows and jasmine, so he can write as much as he wants to survive. With a bunch of grapes, a loud laugh, and cheers. Badness of steadfastness, and the misery of the homeland if the chemist Khan Sheikhan is the homeland.

Monsters

I have always been described by the Lebanese announcer Zahi Wahbi as the right of the Arab Spring, whose name has not been uttered correctly. It is sometimes referred to as "the Arab hell" and sometimes to "the great Arab desolation." He suffers from "the exposure of the despicable of hatred, hatred and hatred" , To the words that he launched in a dialogue session of "the bottom line" with the Lebanese novelist Najwa Barakat.

What draws attention is this transcendence, which tries to capture reality with a tissue, with the fingertips. It also draws attention to Wahbi's calls on the Arab reality of the rooms of the channel «fields», without considering the role of the media fraud by the launch of the monsters of reality, and justify the culture of blood and beheadings, without noticing that the war began in particular from those fields.

Women's Leadership of the Piano

If you search the online search engines for the words "piano" and "Saudi Arabia", you will find a large number of questions about the search for players to be able to do the training, this may explain why the celebration of the channel «Arab» young singer gift of the prostration and presented as the first Saudi trainer to learn to play On the piano in Jeddah.

The program talked about the opposition and attack of the Saudi trained singer. Of course we should expect that, even if the program, as well as his guest, avoid talking about the reasons for the opposition, but hint.

The program "Sabah Al Arabiya" to show the singer, and it seems that he considers his fight ends at this point, without going into the roughness of the details. Here we can only recall the thorny theme, the Saudi women driving the car. It seems that the subject of leadership is only a broad title to freedom, which serves as a gateway to social and political solutions, and above all opens the way for women to lead the piano.

Author of the «Jerusalem Arab» family


الهجوم على الإمام الأكبر شيخ الأزهر بأوامر عليا وجمرة الطوارئ ستحرق أيدي الجميع
 
Plus one more. This one caught my attention and I search through the chemist names, etc. last night. Where are the chemicals coming from? Iraq was chemically attack too but not many talking about that.
Ayman Zidane: Chemist of the homeland, the most merciful of Parvan alienation ... When CNN refused to offer an interview with Bashar al-Assad ... and Saudi women: the piano before driving the car

Rashed Issa

CNN has rejected the offer of an interview with Bashar al-Assad after Chemawi Khan Sheikhan, conducted by the AFP, considering it part of «propaganda blatant system to deny the acquisition of the chemical massacre».

(AFP) in turn confirmed that the interview was filmed under the supervision of government officials, and that a few questions and answers were approved before the broadcast to the world. The interview was not fully presented until the approval of the Syrian regime, which he wanted to broadcast on state television.

The position of the channel, as much as it condemns the propaganda of the regime, involves no less harsh criticism of the performance of the French Press Agency, the interviewer, what media achievement when the agency is subject to the conditions of the regime? To obey them means one thing: a substance made by local standards, an official speaking on behalf of the regime, but with a foreign team. In other words, this means that the system has hired a professional foreign team that has a high tradition and professionalism to send a message with wooden contents, a propaganda for killing, forgery and denial.

To put it more precisely: the interview crew was a hired team.

Chemist Ayman Zidane

"A chemist at home and not a paraffin with a stranger." The latest writings of Syrian actor and director Ayman Zidan on his Facebook page. Zidane wrote this phrase from 323 km, where sarin gas can not cut all this distance. He is quite sure that he will not be among the injured, not fearing that the sarin will touch any of his sons (God protect them from all evil), he will be able to brag as he pleases as long as he will not pay the price.

Zidane's words can sum up the theory of steadfastness that belongs to some residents of Damascus, who live under the Republican Guard, the Fourth Brigade, the National Defense Bloc, and other Afghan, Iraqi, Lebanese and Iranian militias. Sheikun killed 84 civilians, including 27 children and 19 women.

Ayman Zidane does not know anything about the massacre, or perhaps he has to tell his story about it and its news. His writings do not suggest that he was influenced by the sensual sensitivity of Damascus' corners, crows and jasmine, so he can write as much as he wants to survive. With a bunch of grapes, a loud laugh, and cheers. Badness of steadfastness, and the misery of the homeland if the chemist Khan Sheikhan is the homeland.

Monsters

I have always been described by the Lebanese announcer Zahi Wahbi as the right of the Arab Spring, whose name has not been uttered correctly. It is sometimes referred to as "the Arab hell" and sometimes to "the great Arab desolation." He suffers from "the exposure of the despicable of hatred, hatred and hatred" , To the words that he launched in a dialogue session of "the bottom line" with the Lebanese novelist Najwa Barakat.

What draws attention is this transcendence, which tries to capture reality with a tissue, with the fingertips. It also draws attention to Wahbi's calls on the Arab reality of the rooms of the channel «fields», without considering the role of the media fraud by the launch of the monsters of reality, and justify the culture of blood and beheadings, without noticing that the war began in particular from those fields.

Women's Leadership of the Piano

If you search the online search engines for the words "piano" and "Saudi Arabia", you will find a large number of questions about the search for players to be able to do the training, this may explain why the celebration of the channel «Arab» young singer gift of the prostration and presented as the first Saudi trainer to learn to play On the piano in Jeddah.

The program talked about the opposition and attack of the Saudi trained singer. Of course we should expect that, even if the program, as well as his guest, avoid talking about the reasons for the opposition, but hint.

The program "Sabah Al Arabiya" to show the singer, and it seems that he considers his fight ends at this point, without going into the roughness of the details. Here we can only recall the thorny theme, the Saudi women driving the car. It seems that the subject of leadership is only a broad title to freedom, which serves as a gateway to social and political solutions, and above all opens the way for women to lead the piano.

Author of the «Jerusalem Arab» family


الهجوم على الإمام الأكبر شيخ الأزهر بأوامر عليا وجمرة الطوارئ ستحرق أيدي الجميع
so you agree that no one is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East? that there are no Thomas Jefferson's in the Middle East because American liberals have in effect killed them all?
 
Plus one more. This one caught my attention and I search through the chemist names, etc. last night. Where are the chemicals coming from? Iraq was chemically attack too but not many talking about that.
Ayman Zidane: Chemist of the homeland, the most merciful of Parvan alienation ... When CNN refused to offer an interview with Bashar al-Assad ... and Saudi women: the piano before driving the car

Rashed Issa

CNN has rejected the offer of an interview with Bashar al-Assad after Chemawi Khan Sheikhan, conducted by the AFP, considering it part of «propaganda blatant system to deny the acquisition of the chemical massacre».

(AFP) in turn confirmed that the interview was filmed under the supervision of government officials, and that a few questions and answers were approved before the broadcast to the world. The interview was not fully presented until the approval of the Syrian regime, which he wanted to broadcast on state television.

The position of the channel, as much as it condemns the propaganda of the regime, involves no less harsh criticism of the performance of the French Press Agency, the interviewer, what media achievement when the agency is subject to the conditions of the regime? To obey them means one thing: a substance made by local standards, an official speaking on behalf of the regime, but with a foreign team. In other words, this means that the system has hired a professional foreign team that has a high tradition and professionalism to send a message with wooden contents, a propaganda for killing, forgery and denial.

To put it more precisely: the interview crew was a hired team.

Chemist Ayman Zidane

"A chemist at home and not a paraffin with a stranger." The latest writings of Syrian actor and director Ayman Zidan on his Facebook page. Zidane wrote this phrase from 323 km, where sarin gas can not cut all this distance. He is quite sure that he will not be among the injured, not fearing that the sarin will touch any of his sons (God protect them from all evil), he will be able to brag as he pleases as long as he will not pay the price.

Zidane's words can sum up the theory of steadfastness that belongs to some residents of Damascus, who live under the Republican Guard, the Fourth Brigade, the National Defense Bloc, and other Afghan, Iraqi, Lebanese and Iranian militias. Sheikun killed 84 civilians, including 27 children and 19 women.

Ayman Zidane does not know anything about the massacre, or perhaps he has to tell his story about it and its news. His writings do not suggest that he was influenced by the sensual sensitivity of Damascus' corners, crows and jasmine, so he can write as much as he wants to survive. With a bunch of grapes, a loud laugh, and cheers. Badness of steadfastness, and the misery of the homeland if the chemist Khan Sheikhan is the homeland.

Monsters

I have always been described by the Lebanese announcer Zahi Wahbi as the right of the Arab Spring, whose name has not been uttered correctly. It is sometimes referred to as "the Arab hell" and sometimes to "the great Arab desolation." He suffers from "the exposure of the despicable of hatred, hatred and hatred" , To the words that he launched in a dialogue session of "the bottom line" with the Lebanese novelist Najwa Barakat.

What draws attention is this transcendence, which tries to capture reality with a tissue, with the fingertips. It also draws attention to Wahbi's calls on the Arab reality of the rooms of the channel «fields», without considering the role of the media fraud by the launch of the monsters of reality, and justify the culture of blood and beheadings, without noticing that the war began in particular from those fields.

Women's Leadership of the Piano

If you search the online search engines for the words "piano" and "Saudi Arabia", you will find a large number of questions about the search for players to be able to do the training, this may explain why the celebration of the channel «Arab» young singer gift of the prostration and presented as the first Saudi trainer to learn to play On the piano in Jeddah.

The program talked about the opposition and attack of the Saudi trained singer. Of course we should expect that, even if the program, as well as his guest, avoid talking about the reasons for the opposition, but hint.

The program "Sabah Al Arabiya" to show the singer, and it seems that he considers his fight ends at this point, without going into the roughness of the details. Here we can only recall the thorny theme, the Saudi women driving the car. It seems that the subject of leadership is only a broad title to freedom, which serves as a gateway to social and political solutions, and above all opens the way for women to lead the piano.

Author of the «Jerusalem Arab» family


الهجوم على الإمام الأكبر شيخ الأزهر بأوامر عليا وجمرة الطوارئ ستحرق أيدي الجميع
so you agree that no one is fighting for limited govt in the Middle East? that there are no Thomas Jefferson's in the Middle East because American liberals have in effect killed them all?
They don't have a constitution like ours, a George Washington or any of the others that we have already had here either.
Read the articles and find out who those people are and which ones are doing what. They have issues that answering one question you have poised won't cover because they are not a Christian or Judaic based people. The criminals are killing off both decent people and innocent people too. Their problems are not any one item you can pinpoint. If you include drug runners, human traffickers and such I'd say no they aren't killing those people off. Instead they are using people in the mosques and cults to assist them in the name of their god. Their religion and government are not separate.
 

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