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Assuming that they both exist, it would make no sense for either of those entities to be able to control a person's thoughts.
Yet the bible says Satan can deceive the whole world.
Regards
DL
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Assuming that they both exist, it would make no sense for either of those entities to be able to control a person's thoughts.
Check the early art, like the expulsion painting at the Vatican, and wonder why Satan is depicted as a female.
You mean Eve? She ate the forbidden fruit, gave it to Adam and passed along what Satan told her. Satan is the snake watching attentively to everything. Adam gets the sin because he was the first representative of the human race.
No I do not mean Eve. I meant Satan.
Tell us why Christians call what happened in Eden our fall, while singing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?
As to the fall, what fall?
The Original Meaning Of Original Sin
Regards
DL
It's an interesting case study at best. How was it that satan was originally on God's side and then rebelled.I never really understood why God puts up with Satan's crap.
It's an interesting case study at best. How was it that satan was originally on God's side and then rebelled.I never really understood why God puts up with Satan's crap.
Independent thought among personages of spirit in the presence of God
I guess we'll find out one day.
The Bible says God allows Satan's crap because he became the "god of the world" after Adam's fall. Even Jesus had to recognize Satan's power and position when tempted by him. Adam was the dominion of the Earth and the first perfect human, so everything was riding on him. Satan craftily seduced Eve that they would not die by eating a mere fruit and the rest is history.
The Bible says God allows Satan's crap because he became the "god of the world" after Adam's fall. Even Jesus had to recognize Satan's power and position when tempted by him. Adam was the dominion of the Earth and the first perfect human, so everything was riding on him. Satan craftily seduced Eve that they would not die by eating a mere fruit and the rest is history.
That sounds made up
It's an interesting case study at best. How was it that satan was originally on God's side and then rebelled.I never really understood why God puts up with Satan's crap.
Independent thought among personages of spirit in the presence of God
I guess we'll find out one day.
The Bible says God allows Satan's crap because he became the "god of the world" after Adam's fall. Even Jesus had to recognize Satan's power and position when tempted by him. Adam was the dominion of the Earth and the first perfect human, so everything was riding on him. Satan craftily seduced Eve that they would not die by eating a mere fruit and the rest is history.
It's an interesting case study at best. How was it that satan was originally on God's side and then rebelled.I never really understood why God puts up with Satan's crap.
Independent thought among personages of spirit in the presence of God
I guess we'll find out one day.
The Bible says God allows Satan's crap because he became the "god of the world" after Adam's fall. Even Jesus had to recognize Satan's power and position when tempted by him. Adam was the dominion of the Earth and the first perfect human, so everything was riding on him. Satan craftily seduced Eve that they would not die by eating a mere fruit and the rest is history.
Satan didn't seduce Eve. Satan told the truth - he told Eve she would not die for the crime of fruit theft.
Your gods lied. They told Eve she would die.
I don't understand why people insist on literal interpretations of the Bible when it seems that they are figurative and symbolic stories. The talking serpent? The Tree of Knowledge? Woman formed from one of Adam's ribs? Huh? The creator of the universe needs to yank one of Adam's ribs to create woman? Sorry the Bible is beautifully written but it is mostly figurative and symbolic story telling IMO.
Of course, that's what IMO means. So the Adam's rib story sounds legit to you?I don't understand why people insist on literal interpretations of the Bible when it seems that they are figurative and symbolic stories. The talking serpent? The Tree of Knowledge? Woman formed from one of Adam's ribs? Huh? The creator of the universe needs to yank one of Adam's ribs to create woman? Sorry the Bible is beautifully written but it is mostly figurative and symbolic story telling IMO.
Sez you.
It's an interesting case study at best. How was it that satan was originally on God's side and then rebelled.I never really understood why God puts up with Satan's crap.
Independent thought among personages of spirit in the presence of God
I guess we'll find out one day.
The Bible says God allows Satan's crap because he became the "god of the world" after Adam's fall. Even Jesus had to recognize Satan's power and position when tempted by him. Adam was the dominion of the Earth and the first perfect human, so everything was riding on him. Satan craftily seduced Eve that they would not die by eating a mere fruit and the rest is history.
Satan didn't seduce Eve. Satan told the truth - he told Eve she would not die for the crime of fruit theft.
Your gods lied. They told Eve she would die.
Hahahaha. And just what do you base this on?
Of course, that's what IMO means. So the Adam's rib story sounds legit to you?I don't understand why people insist on literal interpretations of the Bible when it seems that they are figurative and symbolic stories. The talking serpent? The Tree of Knowledge? Woman formed from one of Adam's ribs? Huh? The creator of the universe needs to yank one of Adam's ribs to create woman? Sorry the Bible is beautifully written but it is mostly figurative and symbolic story telling IMO.
Sez you.
And there you have it. No amount of evidence could ever convince you otherwise. So march under your flag of faith, and stop embarrassing yourself in the science threads with your stupid dog and pony show.It's God's word so all of it is legit, inerrant and complete.
Says the guy who believes the Big Bang wasn’t the creation of space and time from nothing?And there you have it. No amount of evidence could ever convince you otherwise. So march under your flag of faith, and stop embarrassing yourself in the science threads with your stupid dog and pony show.It's God's word so all of it is legit, inerrant and complete.
It's God's word so all of it is legit, inerrant and complete.
Says the guy who believes the Big Bang wasn’t the creation of space and time from nothing?
The gods lied to Adam and to Eve.
Why believe a liar?
Interesting. How so?
The Bible says it was Satan talking through the snake who lied.
I guess you forgot even though I gave you the description.
As the fable goes, yours gods said that eating the apple would have this affect:
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
The serpent said:
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
A&E (not the cable station) didn't die
The gods lied. Satan told the truth.
Aren't you lucky to have me here to explain you religion to you?
It's an interesting case study at best. How was it that satan was originally on God's side and then rebelled.I never really understood why God puts up with Satan's crap.
Independent thought among personages of spirit in the presence of God
I guess we'll find out one day.
The Bible says God allows Satan's crap because he became the "god of the world" after Adam's fall. Even Jesus had to recognize Satan's power and position when tempted by him. Adam was the dominion of the Earth and the first perfect human, so everything was riding on him. Satan craftily seduced Eve that they would not die by eating a mere fruit and the rest is history.
Satan didn't seduce Eve. Satan told the truth - he told Eve she would not die for the crime of fruit theft.
Your gods lied. They told Eve she would die.
Check the early art, like the expulsion painting at the Vatican, and wonder why Satan is depicted as a female.
You mean Eve? She ate the forbidden fruit, gave it to Adam and passed along what Satan told her. Satan is the snake watching attentively to everything. Adam gets the sin because he was the first representative of the human race.
No I do not mean Eve. I meant Satan.
Tell us why Christians call what happened in Eden our fall, while singing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan?
As to the fall, what fall?
The Original Meaning Of Original Sin
Regards
DL
It's not what Christians interpret as "our" fall. The fall is not a gift from free will. Adam could have refused to disobey God's command and everything would be fine. We'd all be perfect and living a life in paradise. That was our gift from God.
As for Adam's act, God interpreted it as disobeying him because he gave dominion of the Earth to Adam and he represented the first human. Otherwise, he could point the finger at Eve or both. What Satan wanted was this dominion of the Earth and afterward he became "god of the world and prince of the power of the air."