Zone1 Who created all things?

[OneIsTheWord]

Calling for Spiderman when I am drowning will be just as good as calling for Jesus. How many people called for Jesus/God when they were being tortured, had terminal cancer, were being raped, were bound to a chair by some maniac who said he was going to kill them, were in a cave-in and never rescued through their prayers.

Duly noted that as I have told many others that Christians trot out the fear card as their Trump card as you just have. When all else fails, threaten them with hell.

Philippians 2: 12

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Calling for Spiderman when I am drowning will be just as good as calling for Jesus. How many people called for Jesus/God when they were being tortured, had terminal cancer, were being raped, were bound to a chair by some maniac who said he was going to kill them, were in a cave-in and never rescued through their prayers.

Duly noted that as I have told many others that Christians trot out the fear card as their Trump card as you just have. When all else fails, threaten them with hell.

2 Corinthians 12: 9

 

[ding]

Even his existence is debatable as he could have been confused with others at that time who were alleged to have performed miracles, like Apollonius. I will not dispute he existed. Now what? He was a Jewish Rabbi who preached the Torah, who upset the wealthy money changers, who like the politicians and thieves of today, went to the powerful Roman leaders who had barely heard of him but knew the wealthy people were upset and claimed that people were calling him a king of the Jews. They believed he represented a threat to their power (See Democrats going after Trump) and they hung him for sedition.

Jesus existed and..................................that does not prove the bible, miracles, virgin birth, resurrection or anything at all.

Google is your friend.

The historical evidence for Jesus' existence, beyond the New Testament, is a combination of non-Christian sources like Josephus, Tacitus, and others, along with archaeological finds that support the historical context of the Gospels. While the New Testament provides the most detailed accounts, these external sources offer corroboration of key details like Jesus' execution by Pontius Pilate and his followers, and the general historical setting.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Non-Christian Sources:

• Josephus:
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  A Jewish historian and commander in Galilee, Josephus mentions Jesus in his writings, although the authenticity of some parts is debated.
  
  
• • Tacitus:
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    The Roman historian Tacitus, in his Annals, refers to a "Christus" who was executed by Pilate, confirming the crucifixion and the origins of the Christian name, according to the Biblical Archaeology Society.
    
  • Mara bar Serapion:
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    A Syriac Stoic, Mara bar Serapion wrote about the execution of "the wise king of the Jews," possibly referring to Jesus, although the exact context is debated.
    

2. Eyewitness Accounts and Early Christian Writings:

• • Letters of Paul:
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    The letters of Paul, written relatively soon after the supposed lifetime of Jesus, mention Jesus and early Christian doctrines, according to Big Think.
    
  • The Gospels:
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    The four Gospels, while Christian writings, provide detailed accounts of Jesus' life, ministry, death, and resurrection, with many scholars accepting the historicity of the crucifixion.
    

3. Archaeological Evidence:

• • Nazareth:
    While some debated its existence, archaeologists have found evidence of a rock-hewn courtyard house, tombs, and a cistern in Nazareth, confirming the historical reality of this biblical location, according to History.com.
    
  • Crucifixion:
    Archaeologists have also found evidence of Roman crucifixions, which supports the description of Jesus' execution in the New Testament, according to History.com.
    
  • Golgotha:
    Archaeological excavations at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher have uncovered an agricultural layer dating back to the early Roman period, which may align with the biblical description of Jesus' crucifixion in a garden.
    

4. Other Details:

• • The Empty Tomb:
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    While the resurrection is a matter of faith, the empty tomb and the post-resurrection appearances are part of the historical claims supporting Jesus' resurrection, according to garydavenport.org.
  • Changed Lives of Witnesses:
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    The transformed lives of Jesus' disciples after his death are cited as evidence for his resurrection, according to garydavenport.org.
    

In conclusion, the historical evidence for Jesus, while not as extensive as for other historical figures like Tiberius, is significant enough to support his existence as a historical figure, according to American Atheists. The New Testament accounts are corroborated by non-Christian sources and archaeological finds, providing a strong case for the historical Jesus.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Philippians 2: 12
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that could be in a self-help psychology book. Not one sentence of the bible could not have been written by a human. Not one.

Google is your friend.

The historical evidence for Jesus' existence, beyond the New Testament, is a combination of non-Christian sources like Josephus, Tacitus, and others, along with archaeological finds that support the historical context of the Gospels. While the New Testament provides the most detailed accounts, these external sources offer corroboration of key details like Jesus' execution by Pontius Pilate and his followers, and the general historical setting.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Non-Christian Sources:

• Josephus:
  .Opens in new tab
  A Jewish historian and commander in Galilee, Josephus mentions Jesus in his writings, although the authenticity of some parts is debated.
  
  
• • Tacitus:
    .Opens in new tab
    The Roman historian Tacitus, in his Annals, refers to a "Christus" who was executed by Pilate, confirming the crucifixion and the origins of the Christian name, according to the Biblical Archaeology Society.
  • Mara bar Serapion:
    .Opens in new tab
    A Syriac Stoic, Mara bar Serapion wrote about the execution of "the wise king of the Jews," possibly referring to Jesus, although the exact context is debated.

2. Eyewitness Accounts and Early Christian Writings:

• • Letters of Paul:
    .Opens in new tab
    The letters of Paul, written relatively soon after the supposed lifetime of Jesus, mention Jesus and early Christian doctrines, according to Big Think.
  • The Gospels:
    .Opens in new tab
    The four Gospels, while Christian writings, provide detailed accounts of Jesus' life, ministry, death, and resurrection, with many scholars accepting the historicity of the crucifixion.

3. Archaeological Evidence:

• • Nazareth:
    While some debated its existence, archaeologists have found evidence of a rock-hewn courtyard house, tombs, and a cistern in Nazareth, confirming the historical reality of this biblical location, according to History.com.
  • Crucifixion:
    Archaeologists have also found evidence of Roman crucifixions, which supports the description of Jesus' execution in the New Testament, according to History.com.
  • Golgotha:
    Archaeological excavations at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher have uncovered an agricultural layer dating back to the early Roman period, which may align with the biblical description of Jesus' crucifixion in a garden.

4. Other Details:

• • The Empty Tomb:
    .Opens in new tab
    While the resurrection is a matter of faith, the empty tomb and the post-resurrection appearances are part of the historical claims supporting Jesus' resurrection, according to garydavenport.org.
  • Changed Lives of Witnesses:
    .Opens in new tab
    The transformed lives of Jesus' disciples after his death are cited as evidence for his resurrection, according to garydavenport.org.

In conclusion, the historical evidence for Jesus, while not as extensive as for other historical figures like Tiberius, is significant enough to support his existence as a historical figure, according to American Atheists. The New Testament accounts are corroborated by non-Christian sources and archaeological finds, providing a strong case for the historical Jesus.

Do you have reading comprehension issues???

Google is your friend.

The historical evidence for Jesus' existence, beyond the New Testament, is a combination of non-Christian sources like Josephus, Tacitus, and others, along with archaeological finds that support the historical context of the Gospels. While the New Testament provides the most detailed accounts, these external sources offer corroboration of key details like Jesus' execution by Pontius Pilate and his followers, and the general historical setting.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Non-Christian Sources:

• Josephus:
  .Opens in new tab
  A Jewish historian and commander in Galilee, Josephus mentions Jesus in his writings, although the authenticity of some parts is debated.
  
  
• • Tacitus:
    .Opens in new tab
    The Roman historian Tacitus, in his Annals, refers to a "Christus" who was executed by Pilate, confirming the crucifixion and the origins of the Christian name, according to the Biblical Archaeology Society.
  • Mara bar Serapion:
    .Opens in new tab
    A Syriac Stoic, Mara bar Serapion wrote about the execution of "the wise king of the Jews," possibly referring to Jesus, although the exact context is debated.

2. Eyewitness Accounts and Early Christian Writings:

• • Letters of Paul:
    .Opens in new tab
    The letters of Paul, written relatively soon after the supposed lifetime of Jesus, mention Jesus and early Christian doctrines, according to Big Think.
  • The Gospels:
    .Opens in new tab
    The four Gospels, while Christian writings, provide detailed accounts of Jesus' life, ministry, death, and resurrection, with many scholars accepting the historicity of the crucifixion.

3. Archaeological Evidence:

• • Nazareth:
    While some debated its existence, archaeologists have found evidence of a rock-hewn courtyard house, tombs, and a cistern in Nazareth, confirming the historical reality of this biblical location, according to History.com.
  • Crucifixion:
    Archaeologists have also found evidence of Roman crucifixions, which supports the description of Jesus' execution in the New Testament, according to History.com.
  • Golgotha:
    Archaeological excavations at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher have uncovered an agricultural layer dating back to the early Roman period, which may align with the biblical description of Jesus' crucifixion in a garden.

4. Other Details:

• • The Empty Tomb:
    .Opens in new tab
    While the resurrection is a matter of faith, the empty tomb and the post-resurrection appearances are part of the historical claims supporting Jesus' resurrection, according to garydavenport.org.
  • Changed Lives of Witnesses:
    .Opens in new tab
    The transformed lives of Jesus' disciples after his death are cited as evidence for his resurrection, according to garydavenport.org.

In conclusion, the historical evidence for Jesus, while not as extensive as for other historical figures like Tiberius, is significant enough to support his existence as a historical figure, according to American Atheists. The New Testament accounts are corroborated by non-Christian sources and archaeological finds, providing a strong case for the historical Jesus.

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I am not disputing the existence. Here is my final sentence:

Jesus existed and..................................that does not prove the bible, miracles, virgin birth, resurrection or anything at all.

 

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Do you have reading comprehension issues??? Do you have reading comprehension issues? I am not disputing the existence. Here is my final sentence: Jesus existed and..................................that does not prove the bible, miracles, virgin birth, resurrection or anything at all.

My reading comprehension is just fine. Yes, you were questioning his existence. See?

Even his existence is debatable

It's not. A worldwide religion was founded like no other. There was zero confusion on the part of the first Christians who worshipped him as God because they saw him perform many miracles and rose from the dead. No one but idiots question the historicity of Jesus Christ. The evidence is overwhelming.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

that could be in a self-help psychology book. Not one sentence of the bible could not have been written by a human. Not one.

that could be in a self-help psychology book. Not one sentence of the bible could not have been written by a human. Not one.

a self-help psychology book

Greetings
Your words have meaning, Psychology book in this Bible
Psychology from one century to the next

Prophecy & Psychology

Meaning prophecy foretold by holy men of God, human

Where?

For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Prov 2:6 (KJV)

But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him (they): neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:14 (KJV)

spiritually discerned

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, the things of God know no man, but the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 2:11 (KJV)

But he is spiritual and judges (the Holy Spirit) all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Cor 2:15 (KJV)

How?

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:21 (KJV)

For these words (prophecy) never come through the soul of men, but the prophets from God’s words, being moved by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:21 (BBE)

Safeguard

Knowing this first, no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 7:12 (NKJV)

Basic instructions before leaving Earth

 

[Paradoxical#1]

My reading comprehension is just fine. Yes, you were questioning his existence. See?


It's not. A worldwide religion was founded like no other. There was zero confusion on the part of the first Christians who worshipped him as God because they saw him perform many miracles and rose from the dead. No one but idiots question the historicity of Jesus Christ. The evidence is overwhelming.

Wow, your comprehension issue is pitiful. No wonder you swallowed Catholicism. You are easily swayed. Assuming Jesus existed, so what?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Greetings
Your words have meaning, Psychology book in this Bible
Psychology from one century to the next

Prophecy & Psychology
View attachment 1122246
Meaning prophecy foretold by holy men of God, human

Where?
View attachment 1122265
For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Prov 2:6 (KJV)

But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him (they): neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:14 (KJV)

spiritually discerned
View attachment 1122251
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so, the things of God know no man, but the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 2:11 (KJV)

But he is spiritual and judges (the Holy Spirit) all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Cor 2:15 (KJV)

How?
View attachment 1122254
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:21 (KJV)

For these words (prophecy) never come through the soul of men, but the prophets from God’s words, being moved by the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:21 (BBE)

Safeguard

View attachment 1122260
Knowing this first, no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)

Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 7:12 (NKJV)

Basic instructions before leaving Earth

Do you realize that nonbelievers do not believe the bible is inspired? WHY do you keep quoting it?

 

[ding]

Wow, your comprehension issue is pitiful. No wonder you swallowed Catholicism. You are easily swayed. Assuming Jesus existed, so what?

So... for starters, I just proved you wrong.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Do you realize that nonbelievers do not believe the bible is inspired? WHY do you keep quoting it?

Greetings
I believe three individuals, as one conscience

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!
James 2:19 (NKJV)

One conscience mind, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, divinity
Quoting the word is how the Holy Spirit teaches. Did you read it to understand it, and it is scripture

One needs to be anointed

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)
Therefore, many of them believed, also of honourable women who were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached by Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
Acts 17:12-13 (KJV)

 

[Paradoxical#1]

So... for starters, I just proved you wrong.

You are displaying further issues with understanding the English language. You prattled on before about Jesus being mentioned as Christus (which was a common name) and you keep wanting to divert to that diversion and ruse to avoid the crux of the matter. Why is that? Is your faith so shaky you can't deal with it and avoid the elephant in the room?

I said in other posts he was a Jewish Rabbi who was executed for sedition most likely at the insistence of the Jewish money changers.

So, Jesus probably existed. A Jewish rabbi was hung as was the custom then. Now what?

 

[ding]

You are displaying further issues with understanding the English language. You prattled on before about Jesus being mentioned as Christus (which was a common name) and you keep wanting to divert to that diversion and ruse to avoid the crux of the matter. Why is that? Is your faith so shaky you can't deal with it and avoid the elephant in the room?

I said in other posts he was a Jewish Rabbi who was executed for sedition most likely at the insistence of the Jewish money changers.

So, Jesus probably existed. A Jewish rabbi was hung as was the custom then. Now what?

Says the guy I made correct himself.

 

[Meriweather]

I said in other posts he was a Jewish Rabbi who was executed for sedition most likely at the insistence of the Jewish money changers.

Except the sign placed on the cross above his head: King of the Jews. Jewish money changers wouldn't have called him "king". Nor was it the money changers who wanted Pilate to change the wording to "He said he was..."

 

[MarathonMike]

Jesus created all things. Under the direction of the Father

Then how did anything exist prior to Jesus' existence?

 

[onefour1]

Then how did anything exist prior to Jesus' existence?

From an LDS point of view, we do not believe that the word "creation" implies creation from nothing. We believe that the elements are eternal and we also believe that the intelligence of living things are eternal in nature as well. In other words, we believe that Christ was the great organizer in God the Father's kingdom. Jesus was the first of all the creations of God the Father. After he was created, God the Father, through Jesus Christ, organized all things in his kingdom.

Revelation 3:14
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Doctrine and Covenants 93:29,33
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Except the sign placed on the cross above his head: King of the Jews. Jewish money changers wouldn't have called him "king". Nor was it the money changers who wanted Pilate to change the wording to "He said he was..."

And_________?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Says the guy I made correct himself.

How?

 

[Meriweather]

And_________?

And how does this fit into your theory that it was the money changers who insisted Jesus be crucified?

 

[ding]

How?

You went from Jesus probably didn't exist to Jesus probably did exist.

For my next trick I'll get you to say religion is highly dangerous and should be banned. Oh wait, I already did that.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And how does this fit into your theory that it was the money changers who insisted Jesus be crucified?

How does what fit in with the fact that money changers wanted Jesus killed and does that kinda ruin the narrative for you? What is more logical? A group of powerful, wealthy Jews knowing who to go to to eliminate a threat to their power and income or what?

Why is it do you think that the powerful Democrats today wanted so badly to eliminate Trump and conducted organized attempts to enact a virtual assassination and used lawfare and demonization?

THIS is the way the world operates and has since the dawn of man.