Zone1 Did you exist before you were born into this life?

[toobfreak]

No, we didn't exist — except for as a thought in the mind of God.

You are wrong, BC. Nothing that has ever lived, dies. Every living thing has a soul, that internal spark of spiritual potency from God which defines the living from the inanimate. When ones life is over, that spark merely moves into a new body to be reborn again to start over according to the deeds and accomplishments of the past life, except in very rare instances where one's material journey is over.

 

[buttercup]

You are wrong, BC. Nothing that has ever lived, dies. Every living thing has a soul, that internal spark of spiritual potency from God which defines the living from the inanimate. When ones life is over, that spark merely moves into a new body to be reborn again to start over according to the deeds and accomplishments of the past life, except in very rare instances where one's material journey is over.

What? You completely misunderstood my post. I never said that we die and cease to exist. In fact, I said the opposite, I said we have an immortal soul. (From a Christian standpoint.)

The thing that I was disagreeing on with the person I was posting to was that he seems to think we always existed (like God) and my only point was that unlike God, we (humans) had a beginning. Again, I'm coming from a biblical perspective, which I don't expect non-Christians to agree with. Which is why I think it's funny that the other guy kept me giving me "fake news" reactions and acted like he was stating the objective truth, when he was just stating his opinion.

 

[buttercup]

You are talking to someone born and raised in the Catholic Church, which predates all the Protestant versions of "Christianity".

If you really thought through what I presented in the post you quoted~replied to; you would realize that all "Scripture" is also a creation~fabrication of those older and more knowledgeable beings that "created" we humans.

There is a Catch 22 of sorts here where those who made the current (most recent ) version of us (physical humans), are also the ones who gave us the 'religious scriptures' "THEY" wrote and seek to indoctrinate us with. ~ ???

~ "Satanic Verses"(Scriptures) anyone ???

Try applying logic and reason rather than be spoon feed some other "Being's" rationalized indoctrination~=~pravda.

Ah, so you were just stating your opinion. Ok. There was really need to get nasty and give fake news to all my posts. When I replied to you in that moment I had just forgotten that you're not a Christian. Something you said in your earlier post (#9) made it a bit unclear as to what your religious views (if any) are, so I wasn't sure.

 

[BreezeWood]

that internal spark of spiritual potency from God which defines the living from the inanimate.

all in the universe is alive...

could the color of gold be its spiritual reflection ... whatever in the universe is there not composed of atom's from the periodic table.

physiology itself is a metaphysical substance when its unique spiritual content is removed dissipates into the atmosphere - there is no example whether the spiritual content for any material can exist independently though seems more than possible.

 

[ding]

all in the universe is alive...

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could the color of gold be its spiritual reflection ... whatever in the universe is there not composed of atom's from the periodic table.

physiology itself is a metaphysical substance when its unique spiritual content is removed dissipates into the atmosphere - there is no example whether the spiritual content for any material can exist independently though seems more than possible.

Are rocks alive?

 

[BreezeWood]

Are rocks alive?

... whatever in the universe is there not composed of atom's from the periodic table.

yes ... whatever motion there is inside the rock were to stop, the rock would disappear.

 

[ding]

yes ... whatever motion there is inside the rock were to stop, the rock would disappear.

Actually it wouldn't. That is called heat death. The object remains.

 

[BackAgain]

Did you exist before you were born into this life?​

An unclear question. I certainly existed as a human life before I was born. We all did.

So, perhaps the question is intended to question we had any life prior to conception.

Who the fuck knows?

 

[toobfreak]

The thing that I was disagreeing on with the person I was posting to was that he seems to think we always existed (like God) and my only point was that unlike God, we (humans) had a beginning.

That is a good question that I would have to cogitate for a while. As a human, we obviously had a beginning, our birth. But as to our soul, what was its beginning? Did all souls exist eternally before time along with God? I cannot see how since our souls are all part and parcel of God so came from him and thus I would think came after him. But how old are our souls? Do they predate life on Earth? If so, then where were they before Earth was created? A very metaphysical question that I'm sure many would disagree on, especially considering that Christian doctrine does not really address such things and takes a rather pedestrian, geocentric POV to the universe.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

never said that we die and cease to exist.

I do.
"The soul that sins, it shall DIE."

"The wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"

 

[toobfreak]

all in the universe is alive...

Well, I'm not sure I could disagree with that. The ancients saw life (Gods) associated with the Sun, Moon, sky, mountains, the wind, water, etc. The argument could be made that life is universal and omnipresent.

 

[Votto]

Oh.

Who was I?

I hope I left me some money somewhere.

I love it when people say they were the king or ruler of this or that in a previous life

I await someone to say something like, "Yea, I was a worthless ant and someone stepped on me"

 

[onefour1]

Job 38:3-7
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[The Irish Ram]

You are who you are for eternity. What sense would it be for God to make a child He wants to have a relationship with called Bill, then turn Bill into Jack, who turns into Tom in a few years?
We are eternal beings. Our beginning is clearly stated in the Bible. We were formed in the womb. The Bible explains the next steps:
When Christ returns in the sky to gather His followers, those still alive will have their bodies made incorruptible in the twinkling of an eye. 11/100's of a second. Those who had died, whose souls are in Heaven, will have their graves open up, and they will be reunited with their uncorruptible bodies at that time. You will always be you, and He loves you.

 

[ding]

Here is scriptural evidence that we all existed as the spirit children of God the Father before we were born into this mortal world:

1 Corinthians 15: The Resurrection Body.

36 You fool! What you sow is not brought to life unless it dies.
37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be but a bare kernel of wheat, perhaps, or of some other kind;
38 but God gives it a body as he chooses, and to each of the seeds its own body.
39 Not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for human beings, another kind of flesh for animals, another kind of flesh for birds, and another for fish.
40 There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the brightness of the heavenly is one kind and that of the earthly another.
41 The brightness of the sun is one kind, the brightness of the moon another, and the brightness of the stars another. For star differs from star in brightness.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown corruptible; it is raised incorruptible.
43 It is sown dishonorable; it is raised glorious. It is sown weak; it is raised powerful.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual one.
45 So, too, it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living being,” the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
46 But the spiritual was not first; rather the natural and then the spiritual.
47 The first man was from the earth, earthly; the second man, from heaven.
48 As was the earthly one, so also are the earthly, and as is the heavenly one, so also are the heavenly.
49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthly one, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly one.

 

[onefour1]

Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

 

[buttercup]

I do.
"The soul that sins, it shall DIE."

"The wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"

If you look at the string of conversation, we were talking about humanity as a whole. Someone misunderstood my view, so that's what I was replying to, I was just stating that it is not my position that all humans cease to exist at death.

What you're bringing up is spiritual death, and that's a different topic entirely. And while it may be an interesting topic, it's not one I have the time or desire to get into at the moment. (I'm working on something today, just popped in here for a minute.)

 

[ding]

"The soul that sins, it shall DIE."

If God destroys what he creates wouldn't that make God wrong in saying everything he created is good?

The phrase "the soul that sins, it shall die" is from Ezekiel 18:20 in the King James Version of the Bible. It generally refers to the spiritual consequence of sin, meaning that a person who lives in sin and does not repent will face separation from God. This phrase is often used to emphasize the importance of repentance and seeking forgiveness.

 

[the watcher]

It's getting harder to exist even after you're born.

 

[Eman623]

I'm not completely sure I exist now.