Zone1 Who created all things?

[hadit]

habit:

Scripture says Jesus was the first thing that Jehovah created. Not only that, scripture says Jesus was "begotten." I went through all that at Post 384. Below is the weblink. Just click it, and you will see the definitions and my other comments.

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Monday at 7:58 PM

The Hebrew word translated Possessed at Prov 8:22 means created-Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation. So yes he is created, That is Why-HE=Jehovah created it all.

Firstborn doesn't mean created. You've been lied to. Exodus 4:22 God says Israel is His Firstborn son. Explain that.

BS Filter:

I've got news for you. The word "born," in and of itself, means someone that was created or sired. Throughout the Christian Greek Scriptures aka New Testament, Jesus is repeatedly referred to as "begotten" (which is the past participle of beget)...

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And you're continuing to ignore Scripture that uses "firstborn" as a title that can be given, as was the case with Davd.

 

[onefour1]

You altered the Scripture. That makes you a liar.

I quoted the scripture exactly how it shows up in the King James Version of the Bible. No altering of scripture. As to the interpretation, yes, I have an interpretation that is different than yours. To accuse a person of being a liar because he doesn't read the verses the same as you comes off as a bit arrogant in your own thinking.

 

[Donald H]

I quoted the scripture exactly how it shows up in the King James Version of the Bible. No altering of scripture. As to the interpretation, yes, I have an interpretation that is different than yours. To accuse a person of being a liar because he doesn't read the verses the same as you comes off as a bit arrogant in your own thinking.

Anybody who reads the bible as 'literally' true is wrong and lying to themselves.

 

[onefour1]

Anybody who reads the bible as 'literally' true is wrong and lying to themselves.

Says who? You?

 

[BS Filter]

I quoted the scripture exactly how it shows up in the King James Version of the Bible. No altering of scripture. As to the interpretation, yes, I have an interpretation that is different than yours. To accuse a person of being a liar because he doesn't read the verses the same as you comes off as a bit arrogant in your own thinking.

You added your interpretation as if it is Scripture. That's a very bad habit the Mormons have. That's fine to post your opinion, but you should do it in a different paragraph. That's a deliberate attempt at deception.

 

[Donald H]

Says who? You?

I can prove it to you but you will need faith to go the distance with me

 

[ding]

Anybody who reads the bible as 'literally' true is wrong and lying to themselves.

So Leviticus chapter 18 should not be read literally?

 

[onefour1]

You added your interpretation as if it is Scripture. That's a very bad habit the Mormons have. That's fine to post your opinion, but you should do it in a different paragraph. That's a deliberate attempt at deception.

Oh, I am supposed to add your interpretation and that would be a very good habit, right? Now you accuse me of deliberate deception because I give you what I truly believe the interpretation to be. Take a look in the mirror, your arrogance is overbearing. Now I understand your handle. You consider yourself to be the BS Filter of the word of God. Sorry but I don't buy it.

 

[BS Filter]

Oh, I am supposed to add your interpretation and that would be a very good habit, right? Now you accuse me of deliberate deception because I give you what I truly believe the interpretation to be. Take a look in the mirror, your arrogance is overbearing. Now I understand your handle. You consider yourself to be the BS Filter of the word of God. Sorry but I don't buy it.

Yes, I caught you in deception and you don't like it. That's my job. As a believer, I am instructed by Scripture to prove all things and expose liars and false prophets. Good luck.

 

[Donald H]

So Leviticus chapter 18 should not be read literally?

There's a simple and easy test for any Christian who thinks he/she can go the distance with an informed atheist. It is:

Do you believe that a man can live for 3 days in the stomach of a big fish.

If you have faith but still answer the question wrong, then you need not apply.

If you're an intelligent Christian who answers, 'NO', then we agree and there's no point in rehashing the same old questions and answers.

There are no 'yes's' yet but there's still one born every minute!

 

[BS Filter]

There's a simple and easy test for any Christian who thinks he/she can go the distance with an informed atheist. It is:

Do you believe that a man can live for 3 days in the stomach of a big fish.

If you have faith but still answer the question wrong, then you need not apply.

If you're an intelligent Christian who answers, 'NO', then we agree and there's no point in rehashing the same old questions and answers.

There are no 'yes's' yet but there's still one born every minute!

You can't be a Christian without believing the Scriptures.

 

[Donald H]

You can't be a Christian without believing the Scriptures.

The Christians are all saying that they're free to interpret the bibles.

But they still have to pass my test. You've used your courtesy reply.

 

[BS Filter]

The Christians are all saying that they're free to interpret the bibles.

But they still have to pass my test. You've used your courtesy reply.

Of course they're free to interpret the Bible. That doesn't mean they're Christians. There are many false believers and false prophets.

 

[onefour1]

Yes, I caught you in deception and you don't like it. That's my job. As a believer, I am instructed by Scripture to prove all things and expose liars and false prophets. Good luck.

Except you haven't proven anything. You have only made false accusations. I have shown you that Paul said that there were gods many and lords many. Are you saying that Paul was a false prophet and liar? You didn't catch me in anything other than you don't like it that I am showing you the truth. An Apostle of the Lord is telling you that there are Gods many and Lords many and you can't accept that. To all of us on this earth there is but one true God who is God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. But according to Paul, in heaven there are gods many and lords many. I showed you a verse that shows that there are other gods and lords. I even showed you a verse that shows that Jesus considered us to be gods. You are the one who can't accept scripture. Get off your high horse and see what scripture is really telling you and stop your extreme bias.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

John 10:31-39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You, like the Jews of Jesus' day, want to accuse me of blasphemy when I show you the truth.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[BS Filter]

Except you haven't proven anything. You have only made false accusations. I have shown you that Paul said that there were gods many and lords many. Are you saying that Paul was a false prophet and liar? You didn't catch me in anything other than you don't like it that I am showing you the truth. An Apostle of the Lord is telling you that there are Gods many and Lords many and you can't accept that. To all of us on this earth there is but one true God who is God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. But according to Paul, in heaven there are gods many and lords many. I showed you a verse that shows that there are other gods and lords. I even showed you a verse that shows that Jesus considered us to be gods. You are the one who can't accept scripture. Get off your high horse and see what scripture is really telling you and stop your extreme bias.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

John 10:31-39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You, like the Jews of Jesus' day, want to accuse me of blasphemy when I show you the truth.

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Paul was talking about false gods. Greeks believed in many gods. Paul wasn't talking about other gods like our One True God.

 

[Donald H]

Of course they're free to interpret the Bible. That doesn't mean they're Christians. There are many false believers and false prophets.

The point is, those who interpret the bibles as allegorical, are as good as they get. LOL

The faith of the others can't meet their need to bear the shame of believing in the 'big fish' story.

 

[BS Filter]

The point is, those who interpret the bibles as allegorical, are as good as they get. LOL

The faith of the others can't meet their need to bear the shame of believing in the 'big fish' story.

I don't have a problem with the story. It says God prepared the fish. Therefore, it was a special fish. If you believe in God, then there isn't anything God cannot do.

 

[Donald H]

I don't have a problem with the story. It says God prepared the fish. Therefore, it was a special fish. If you believe in God, then there isn't anything God cannot do.

Good for you and your special fish!

I was sort of trying to hook in Meriweather or similar if there are any like her left.

But let's make it a motion on the floor to see if you can get a seconder?

Oh, and thanks! It's been like pulling teeth until you took the bait.

 

[ding]

There's a simple and easy test for any Christian who thinks he/she can go the distance with an informed atheist. It is: Do you believe that a man can live for 3 days in the stomach of a big fish. If you have faith but still answer the question wrong, then you need not apply. If you're an intelligent Christian who answers, 'NO', then we agree and there's no point in rehashing the same old questions and answers. There are no 'yes's' yet but there's still one born every minute!

You didn't answer my question. Should Leviticus chapter 18 be read literally?

 

[BS Filter]

Good for you and your special fish!

I was sort of trying to hook in Meriweather or similar if there are any like her left.

But let's make it a motion on the floor to see if you can get a seconder?

Oh, and thanks! It's been like pulling teeth until you took the bait.

I have absolutely no problem believing God can perform miracles. I understand some Christians do, and that is weird. The entire Christian belief is founded on miracles.