Zone1 Who created all things?

[Donald H]

The solution is easy. You stop accusing people of faith with fear and I'll stop reaching the conclusion you are projecting the mirror image of your own fear onto others. The fact that I bounce your use of the word fear back onto you and it annoys you makes my point.

It's always worth it to read your comments.

You're right about their fear and your ability to use it to convince some unbelievers.

 

[BS Filter]

Matthew 5:48
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 17:20-23
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Can we not become perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect as Jesus taught? Can we not become perfect in one even as Jesus is one with the Father? Or was Jesus a false teacher?

Yes, we will become perfect when we are in Heaven, but no where does Scripture say that anyone can become God Almighty. Scripture is explicit, One God, One Creator. There is no other.

 

[Alter2Ego]

The words of Jesus are very clear in the Scriptures that you yourself provided. DESTROY THIS BODY AND IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP.

Revelation 1 Jesus said "I was dead and now I am alive. Jesus also said in chapter 1 that He is The Almighty. Read it yourself.

Do you believe the Scripture of John 2:19? Is it true ir false?

BS Filter:

You are ignoring the quotation signs that indicate Jesus was quoting somebody else. You are relying on a single verse of scripture to argue that God died and resurrected himself, despite the fact scripture says no one has seen God at anytime.


"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18 -- King James Bible)

Everyone within range was able to see Jesus. Not only that, scripture at Psalm 90:2 (I mistakenly typed 90:4 in my previous post) says God is eternal.


"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2 -- King James Version)


DEFINITION OF EVERLASTING:

everlasting​

(evəʳlɑːstɪŋ , -læst- )
1. adjective
Something that is everlasting never comes to an end."


An eternal person cannot die. Jesus died. When Jesus died, his life immediately ended, and it stayed ended for three days until Jehovah the Father resurrected him.


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

You're ignoring Scripture that declares "firstborn" to also be a title. David was proclaimed the "firstborn", though he was the youngest of his father's sons, just for one example, so I wouldn't rely too heavily on that simplistic definition.

habit:

Scripture says Jesus was the first thing that Jehovah created. Not only that, scripture says Jesus was "begotten." I went through all that at Post 384. Below is the weblink. Just click it, and you will see the definitions and my other comments.

Zone1 Post in thread 'Who created all things?'

Monday at 7:58 PM

The Hebrew word translated Possessed at Prov 8:22 means created-Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation. So yes he is created, That is Why-HE=Jehovah created it all.

Firstborn doesn't mean created. You've been lied to. Exodus 4:22 God says Israel is His Firstborn son. Explain that.

BS Filter:

I've got news for you. The word "born," in and of itself, means someone that was created or sired. Throughout the Christian Greek Scriptures aka New Testament, Jesus is repeatedly referred to as "begotten" (which is the past participle of beget)...

• Alter2Ego

• 

Alter2Ego

 

[BS Filter]

BS Filter:

You are ignoring the quotation signs that indicate Jesus was quoting somebody else. You are relying on a single verse of scripture to argue that God died and resurrected himself, despite the fact scripture says no one has seen God at anytime.


"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18 -- King James Bible)

Everyone within range was able to see Jesus. Not only that, scripture at Psalm 90:2 (I mistakenly typed 90:4 in my previous post) says God is eternal.


"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2 -- King James Version)


DEFINITION OF EVERLASTING:

everlasting​

(evəʳlɑːstɪŋ , -læst- )
1. adjective
Something that is everlasting never comes to an end."


An eternal person cannot die. Jesus died. When Jesus died, his life immediately ended, and it stayed ended for three days until Jehovah the Father resurrected him.


Alter2Ego

That's a lie. The quotation marks are there because the Apostle John is quoting Jesus. You either believe Scripture or you believe what someone else told you. I believe Scripture.

Who is the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty?

 

[kjw47]

Lie. The word "religion" isnt in the Scripture. What does the term "Firstborn" mean in Scripture?

Firstborn of all creation=Prov 8:22==Possessed( created) me as the beginning of your way=creating) =The firstborn of all creation. Trinity religions cannot teach truth on this matter it exposes them as false.

 

[kjw47]

There is not one bit of evidence of that. You were indoctrinated by your elders and those in authority to believe that lie. Ask some of those here what proof there is that the bible is inspired and they will tell you it says so I'm the bible. Circular logic.

Not a wise place to be standing sir, this system is almost done.

 

[kjw47]

If there is a nuclear war and centuries later peoplele find a Spiderman book or Superman and discover New York really did exist does that prove their existence?

If value=0

 

[kjw47]

If Jehovah didn't create itself, how can it have created all? Assuming for the purpose of discussion that Jehovah isn't just the creation of paranoia and wishful thinking.

Jehovah always was and always will be. HE created all things.

 

[kjw47]

So humans cannot create life.

TIL

They can make babies because God created the ability for them to do so.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Not a wise place to be standing sir, this system is almost done.

WTF are you talking about???

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Jehovah always was and always will be. HE created all things.

Prove it.

 

[BS Filter]

Firstborn of all creation=Prov 8:22==Possessed( created) me as the beginning of your way=creating) =The firstborn of all creation. Trinity religions cannot teach truth on this matter it exposes them as false.

Firstborm=Preeminence.

 

[BackAgain]

I had time in my hands. Well, technically, not “time” exactly since I had not yet created time. Nor had I created space. Or particles. Or matter or energy. And no “fields.”

There I was floating in the space before space and in the time before time. And I began to contemplate, of all things, water and fish and oxygen.

It was a busy few days. I would have broken a sweat but for the fact that I hadn’t yet invented sweat at the outset.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I had time in my hands. Well, technically, not “time” exactly since I had not yet created time. Nor had I created space. Or particles. Or matter or energy. And no “fields.”

There I was floating in the space before space and in the time before time. And I began to contemplate, of all things, water and fish and oxygen.

It was a busy few days. I would have broken a sweat but for the fact that I hadn’t yet invented sweat at the outset.

Wow! Cool story and a great start to the bible. You were out there in a timeless void, probably very lonely there in eternity nothingness surviving in some unimaginable way without oxygen, atoms, molecules, math, science. Just out there when there was no space, particles of fields, or time, wondering what to do with your free time. I mean, free nothingness because there was no time.

This is fascinating that you would want to be doing something instead of languishing around but even that is weird because around suggests time and there was none until you created it. This all seems like some experiment and game because you didn't need any of this hassle where humans create havoc because of sin and all to such an extent that you needed a redo after offing the entire human race including babies and bunnies. That was drastic and something you must have not expected. I never could figure out how you would not have predicted all this since you are all-knowing and stuff, but hey....who am I to know these things?

But, all these wasted planets and stars. Sky trillions of them all for naught. What's the deal with that? A tiny tribe in Israel gets your attention out of sky trillions of planets? Whooda thunk? A favored tribe out of many to such an extent that you have them kill off another tribe at your demand. Even babies and animals except for nubile young virgins for the male pedos. That was ingenious. It solidified your reign among men and the hell with females, eh?

So, do carry on with your diabolical plotting. Superman and Batman would be proud of your cartoons.

 

[BackAgain]

Wow! Cool story and a great start to the bible. You were out there in a timeless void, probably very lonely there in eternity nothingness surviving in some unimaginable way without oxygen, atoms, molecules, math, science. Just out there when there was no space, particles of fields, or time, wondering what to do with your free time. I mean, free nothingness because there was no time.

This is fascinating that you would want to be doing something instead of languishing around but even that is weird because around suggests time and there was none until you created it. This all seems like some experiment and game because you didn't need any of this hassle where humans create havoc because of sin and all to such an extent that you needed a redo after offing the entire human race including babies and bunnies. That was drastic and something you must have not expected. I never could figure out how you would not have predicted all this since you are all-knowing and stuff, but hey....who am I to know these things?

But, all these wasted planets and stars. Sky trillions of them all for naught. What's the deal with that? A tiny tribe in Israel gets your attention out of sky trillions of planets? Whooda thunk? A favored tribe out of many to such an extent that you have them kill off another tribe at your demand. Even babies and animals except for nubile young virgins for the male pedos. That was ingenious. It solidified your reign among men and the hell with females, eh?

So, do carry on with your diabolical plotting. Superman and Batman would be proud of your cartoons.

You may have me confused with another entity.

 

[onefour1]

Yes, we will become perfect when we are in Heaven, but no where does Scripture say that anyone can become God Almighty. Scripture is explicit, One God, One Creator. There is no other.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

To us who are on this earth and to all that are under the jurisdiction of God our Father in heaven, He is our one and only God. But as Paul tells us above, there are gods many and lords many. I liken it unto the families on the earth. To each and everyone who is a child of a father, they only have one and only one father. But there are many fathers on the earth. In all of eternity, there are other Gods who have there own kingdom and children. Paul tells us there are gods many, and lords many but to us there is but one God , the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Yes, there are false gods in the world. But we believe that there are also other Gods in the eternities that have their own kingdoms. If Jesus teaches us to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect, this would mean that we can become just like our Father in Heaven. He will always be our God and Father in Heaven and will always retain that position throughout all eternity. Our exaltation to godhood only exalts his station even higher. As the offspring of God, we are all gods in embryo.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

When Jesus taught that he was the Son of God, the Jews sought to take his life because they thought it was blasphemy that Jesus say that he was the very Son of God. To this Jesus replied:

John 10:31-39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Here we read that Jesus already considered us all to be gods. That coupled with the command to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect is biblical evidence that we are gods who can become as perfect as our Father in Heaven if we so choose to do so. We don't believe, however, that we will be the God over our God's kingdom. We would need to be given our own kingdoms. Not all of God's children will choose to become perfect even our Father in Heaven is perfect. Many are called but few are chosen.

 

[BS Filter]

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

To us who are on this earth and to all that are under the jurisdiction of God our Father in heaven, He is our one and only God. But as Paul tells us above, there are gods many and lords many. I liken it unto the families on the earth. To each and everyone who is a child of a father, they only have one and only one father. But there are many fathers on the earth. In all of eternity, there are other Gods who have there own kingdom and children. Paul tells us there are gods many, and lords many

1 Corinthians 8:4-6
4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

To us who are on this earth and to all that are under the jurisdiction of God our Father in heaven, He is our one and only God. But as Paul tells us above, there are gods many and lords many. I liken it unto the families on the earth. To each and everyone who is a child of a father, they only have one and only one father. But there are many fathers on the earth. In all of eternity, there are other Gods who have there own kingdom and children. Paul tells us there are gods many, and lords many but to us there is but one God , the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Yes, there are false gods in the world. But we believe that there are also other Gods in the eternities that have their own kingdoms. If Jesus teaches us to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect, this would mean that we can become just like our Father in Heaven. He will always be our God and Father in Heaven and will always retain that position throughout all eternity. Our exaltation to godhood only exalts his station even higher. As the offspring of God, we are all gods in embryo.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

When Jesus taught that he was the Son of God, the Jews sought to take his life because they thought it was blasphemy that Jesus say that he was the very Son of God. To this Jesus replied:

John 10:31-39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Here we read that Jesus already considered us all to be gods. That coupled with the command to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect is biblical evidence that we are gods who can become as perfect as our Father in Heaven if we so choose to do so. We don't believe, however, that we will be the God over our God's kingdom. We would need to be given our own kingdoms. Not all of God's children will choose to become perfect even our Father in Heaven is perfect. Many are called but few are chosen.

, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Yes, there are false gods in the world. But we believe that there are also other Gods in the eternities that have their own kingdoms. If Jesus teaches us to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect, this would mean that we can become just like our Father in Heaven. He will always be our God and Father in Heaven and will always retain that position throughout all eternity. Our exaltation to godhood only exalts his station even higher. As the offspring of God, we are all gods in embryo.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

When Jesus taught that he was the Son of God, the Jews sought to take his life because they thought it was blasphemy that Jesus say that he was the very Son of God. To this Jesus replied:

John 10:31-39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Here we read that Jesus already considered us all to be gods. That coupled with the command to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect is biblical evidence that we are gods who can become as perfect as our Father in Heaven if we so choose to do so. We don't believe, however, that we will be the God over our God's kingdom. We would need to be given our own kingdoms. Not all of God's children will choose to become perfect even our Father in Heaven is perfect. Many are called but few are chosen.

You skipped a lot of verses that say there is only One God. I highlighted a few. Try again.

 

[onefour1]

You skipped a lot of verses that say there is only One God. I highlighted a few. Try again.

If you had read my reply more carefully and took into account what Paul taught you would realize that there is only one God to we who are God's children and God's creation. To all in God's kingdom, there is only one true God who rules in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. But those who reach perfection and become as perfect as our Father in heaven can obtain their own kingdom and have their own children and creations. Paul tells us "as there are gods many and lords many, But to US (who are his children and creations within his kingdom) there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Verse 4 is speaking about us and that there is only one true God for us who are his children and creations. Paul clarifies by stating that there are gods many and lords many BUT TO US.... To all in God's kingdom there is only one God. That is the context!!

 

[BS Filter]

If you had read my reply more carefully and took into account what Paul taught you would realize that there is only one God to we who are God's children and God's creation. To all in God's kingdom, there is only one true God who rules in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. But those who reach perfection and become as perfect as our Father in heaven can obtain their own kingdom and have their own children and creations. Paul tells us "as there are gods many and lords many, But to US (who are his children and creations within his kingdom) there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Verse 4 is speaking about us and that there is only one true God for us who are his children and creations. Paul clarifies by stating that there are gods many and lords many BUT TO US.... To all in God's kingdom there is only one God. That is the context!!

You altered the Scripture. That makes you a liar.