Zone1 Who created all things?

[Alter2Ego]

Yes, and your definition did not include the idea that you never existed prior to being begotten.

onefour1:

Next you will be telling the rest of us that you existed before you were begotten aka born. You sound confused. Below once again is the definition of begotten.



DEFINITION OF BEGOTTEN:
": brought into existence by or as if by a parent"

Definition of BEGOTTEN

… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Notice that it says, "brought into existence." That makes it clear that a person did not exist before he/she was brought into existence aka begotten.



Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

"Firstborn" is a title as well as a designation. David was called "firstborn", though he was the youngest of his father's sons. Ephraim is referred to as "firstborn", though he was not the first of his father's sons. IOW, God can and does appoint people to "firstborn" status who are not physically born first.

Additionally, Jesus “is before all things, and in him all things hold together”. No, you simply can't make the case from the Bible that Jesus is a created being. The only thing you can do is pervert the Bible by having "translators" (who can't read the original languages) go through it and simply rewrite the parts they don't like without regard to the original texts.

hadit:

Firstborn is also literal in many instances. In those instances, it is referring to someone or something that is literally the first of its kind.

Furthermore, Jesus is repeatedly referred to as "begotten" in the Christian Greek Scriptures aka New Testament. Below is one example.

John 3:16​

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."


FYI: Anyone who was begotten is automatically a created being or was produced by someone else. Below is the definition of begotten.



DEFINITION OF BEGOTTEN:
": brought into existence by or as if by a parent"

Definition of BEGOTTEN

… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Alter2Ego

 

[onefour1]

onefour1:

Next you will be telling the rest of us that you existed before you were begotten aka born. You sound confused. Below once again is the definition of begotten.



DEFINITION OF BEGOTTEN:
": brought into existence by or as if by a parent"

Definition of BEGOTTEN

… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Notice that it says, "brought into existence." That makes it clear that a person did not exist before he/she was brought into existence aka begotten.



Alter2Ego

And how would Merriam-Webster know if we did not exist prior to being born. If you want to trust the dictionary over the word of God, be my guest.

 

[onefour1]

Paul was talking about false gods. Greeks believed in many gods. Paul wasn't talking about other gods like our One True God.

Again, a matter of your own opinion. Paul didn't write "and there are false gods many and false lords many" now did he?

 

[Alter2Ego]

That's a lie. The quotation marks are there because the Apostle John is quoting Jesus. You either believe Scripture or you believe what someone else told you. I believe Scripture.

Who is the First and the Last, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty?

BS Filter:

I stand corrected. But I notice you dodged the scripture that says no man has seen God at anytime.


"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18 -- King James Bible)

As I stated at Post 423, everyone within range was able to see Jesus. So if Jesus was also Jehovah--as you falsely claim--guess what would have happened to the onlookers?


I also notice that you dodged the scripture that I gave you at Post 423 that says God is eternal.


"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2 -- King James Version)

Below is yet another definition for the word everlasting.


DEFINITION OF EVERLASTING:

adjective​

1. lasting forever; eternal:
   everlasting future life.

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

BS Filter, an eternal person cannot die. Below is the definition of eternal.

"1. Without beginning or end of existence.

The eternal God is thy refuge. Deuteronomy 33:27."

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Eternal

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Eternal

webstersdictionary1828.com

QUESTION #1 TO BS Filter: According to the Judeo-Christian Bible, Jesus died. TRUE or FALSE?


QUESTION #2 TO BS Filter: According to Psalm 90:2, God cannot die. TRUE or FALSE?


Alter2Ego

 

[Alter2Ego]

And how would Merriam-Webster know if we did not exist prior to being born. If you want to trust the dictionary over the word of God, be my guest.

onefour1:

Nowhere does the Bible say someone existed before they were born. If you can find one single verse of scripture that says otherwise, be sure and post it for the rest of us within this thread.


Alter2Ego

 

[frigidweirdo]

And how would Merriam-Webster know if we did not exist prior to being born. If you want to trust the dictionary over the word of God, be my guest.

What is a dictionary? Definitions of words as defined by humans

What is the Bible? A human written book claiming to be the word of God.

Both things come from humans.

A definition of a word doesn't even matter really. We made words based on how we perceived the world back in the day. We saw a fetus as not "alive".

What is real?

We need to go look at what "life" is.

We as humans are made up of molecules. Molecules are made up of atoms. Different atoms have different amounts of neutrons, protons and electrons.

Each of those is made up of energy that is doing different stuff.

So, why does an atom/molecule in a stone do different things to an atom in a human body?

Well, in a human body the "living" parts are more likely to decay than in a stone or other "non-living" things.

Decaying simply means changing. So, an apple will grow, it will take energy from one place and put it into the growing apple, then the apple will stop growing and it will fall on the ground and then disappear.

So, it's just energy moving faster. That's "life".

Then we have the idea of "I". Why do I think? Why do I feel like I am me?

We don't know, however quantum physics is the most likely to answer this question, at some point in the distant future. Maybe AI will answer it for us.

However, atoms follow rules, we just don't understand those rules.

We can't say "a baby becomes alive at this very moment" because "alive" isn't like that.

We ask the chicken and the egg question. Which came first? Doesn't work like that. A "chicken" is merely a classification. Before chickens there was something else, very much like a chicken, but not called a chicken, and at some point we changed the classification, but not within a specific day. More like thousands of years. When did homo sapiens become homo sapiens and not homo helmei or others.

I could go on and on, but the basics here are understanding what is being spoken about, rather than saying that something is something because of a dictionary definition, or even the Bible.

 

[onefour1]

onefour1:

Nowhere does the Bible say someone existed before they were born. If you can find one single verse of scripture that says otherwise, be sure and post it for the rest of us within this thread.


Alter2Ego

Man, Antemortal Existence of​

• See also Council in Heaven; Foreordination; Man, a Spirit Child of Heavenly Father; Spirit Creation
• God of the spirits of all flesh, Num. 16:22 (27:16).
• all the sons of God shouted for joy, Job 38:7.
• the spirit shall return unto God who gave it, Eccl. 12:7.
• Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, Jer. 1:5.
• Lord … formeth the spirit of man within him, Zech. 12:1.
• who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind, John 9:2.
• poets have said, For we are also his offspring, Acts 17:28.
• For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate, Rom. 8:29.
• chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, Eph. 1:4.
• subjection unto the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9.
• angels which kept not their first estate, Jude 1:6.
• Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, Rev. 12:7.
• called and prepared from the foundation of the world, Alma 13:3.
• bringeth them back into the presence of the Lord, Hel. 14:17.
• third part of the hosts of heaven turned he away, D&C 29:36.
• seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made, D&C 38:1.
• man, according to his creation before the world, D&C 49:17.
• Man was also in the beginning with God, D&C 93:29.
• choice spirits who were reserved to come forth, D&C 138:53.
• before they were born … received their first lessons, D&C 138:56.
• in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, Moses 3:5.
• he beheld the spirits that God had created, Moses 6:36.
• intelligences that were organized before the world was, Abr. 3:22.
• he stood among those that were spirits, Abr. 3:23.
• took his spirit … and put it into him, Abr. 5:7.
• See also Prov. 8:22–31; John 1:2, 14; 8:58; 16:28; 17:5, 24; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:2; 3 Ne. 1:13; 26:5; Ether 3:16.

 

[onefour1]

What is a dictionary? Definitions of words as defined by humans

What is the Bible? A human written book claiming to be the word of God.

Both things come from humans.

A definition of a word doesn't even matter really. We made words based on how we perceived the world back in the day. We saw a fetus as not "alive".

What is real?

We need to go look at what "life" is.

We as humans are made up of molecules. Molecules are made up of atoms. Different atoms have different amounts of neutrons, protons and electrons.

Each of those is made up of energy that is doing different stuff.

So, why does an atom/molecule in a stone do different things to an atom in a human body?

Well, in a human body the "living" parts are more likely to decay than in a stone or other "non-living" things.

Decaying simply means changing. So, an apple will grow, it will take energy from one place and put it into the growing apple, then the apple will stop growing and it will fall on the ground and then disappear.

So, it's just energy moving faster. That's "life".

Then we have the idea of "I". Why do I think? Why do I feel like I am me?

We don't know, however quantum physics is the most likely to answer this question, at some point in the distant future. Maybe AI will answer it for us.

However, atoms follow rules, we just don't understand those rules.

We can't say "a baby becomes alive at this very moment" because "alive" isn't like that.

We ask the chicken and the egg question. Which came first? Doesn't work like that. A "chicken" is merely a classification. Before chickens there was something else, very much like a chicken, but not called a chicken, and at some point we changed the classification, but not within a specific day. More like thousands of years. When did homo sapiens become homo sapiens and not homo helmei or others.

I could go on and on, but the basics here are understanding what is being spoken about, rather than saying that something is something because of a dictionary definition, or even the Bible.

You forgot to mention that true scripture is the word of God given to humans by God himself and that the humans then write it down.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You forgot to mention that true scripture is the word of God given to humans by God himself and that the humans then write it down.

And which one, of the MANY, is the "true scripture" then?

 

[onefour1]

And which one, of the MANY, is the "true scripture" then?

The Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. Scriptures – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. Scriptures – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Why not any of these?

List of religious texts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can you prove your book/books are the word of God and others aren't? Or is this "I just decided"???

 

[ding]

Can you prove your book/books are the word of God and others aren't? Or is this "I just decided"???

Different people have different perceptions of what that means. It wasn't always seen as that. That began about the time Exodus was written. I suspect your perception of what it means is skewed by bias against these texts.

 

[kjw47]

Prove it.

In Gods written word he said the wicked will demand proof. The righteous live by faith.

 

[kjw47]

Firstborm=Preeminence.

According to trinity darkness to cover up reality that exposes them as false religionsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
Jesus is with 1 single religion=1Cor 1:10

 

[Paradoxical#1]

In Gods written word he said the wicked will demand proof. The righteous live by faith.

I asked you for proof. You say just believe you. Why?

 

[BreezeWood]

In Gods written word he said the wicked will demand proof. The righteous live by faith.

if written by mr big - where is that to be found ... (or) did the righteous lose that too like their phony commandments claimed by moses.

the spoken heavenly religion of antiquity is the practice of the faithful - not madeup faith and 10000 page bibles.

 

[BS Filter]

Again, a matter of your own opinion. Paul didn't write "and there are false gods many and false lords many" now did he?

No one wrote that God artificially inseminated Mary either.

 

[BS Filter]

BS Filter:

I stand corrected. But I notice you dodged the scripture that says no man has seen God at anytime.


"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." (John 1:18 -- King James Bible)

As I stated at Post 423, everyone within range was able to see Jesus. So if Jesus was also Jehovah--as you falsely claim--guess what would have happened to the onlookers?


I also notice that you dodged the scripture that I gave you at Post 423 that says God is eternal.


"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God." (Psalm 90:2 -- King James Version)

Below is yet another definition for the word everlasting.


DEFINITION OF EVERLASTING:

adjective​

1. lasting forever; eternal:
   everlasting future life.

Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words

The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!

www.dictionary.com

BS Filter, an eternal person cannot die. Below is the definition of eternal.

"1. Without beginning or end of existence.

The eternal God is thy refuge. Deuteronomy 33:27."

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Eternal

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Eternal

webstersdictionary1828.com

QUESTION #1 TO BS Filter: According to the Judeo-Christian Bible, Jesus died. TRUE or FALSE?


QUESTION #2 TO BS Filter: According to Psalm 90:2, God cannot die. TRUE or FALSE?


Alter2Ego

No one had seen God as he is. You couldn't live. The Bible says Jesus took on flesh. God became a man. That's basic Bible.

Regarding "everlasting", you made my case. Eternal. Thanks. Jesus died on the cross, the man. Jesus is human and God.

 

[BS Filter]

According to trinity darkness to cover up reality that exposes them as false religionsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
Jesus is with 1 single religion=1Cor 1:10

There is no true or false "religion". There is Truth and a lie. The Watchtower is a lie.