AZrailwhale
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Yeah I was aiming at Paul.Where did I ever say or even insinuate that? I think you meant to reply to Paul. That is who my reply was to.
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Yeah I was aiming at Paul.Where did I ever say or even insinuate that? I think you meant to reply to Paul. That is who my reply was to.
Whites have PLENTY of room to talk about Affirmative Action, CRT, and Biden's American Rescue Plan.I really think whites have no room to talk.
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I read the first article. It’s the usual bull written by a black based upon events ranging from eighty to a hundred a fifty years ago. Nothing stops a black family from moving into any neighborhood anywhere in the USA that they can afford to. The same barrier blocks whites, Latinos and Asians from some neighborhoods. To develop capital you have to work at it. I rented until I was in my mid thirties. Then I used my Cal Vet benefit to buy a house almost ninety minutes from my job. I lived in that house for fifteen years, until I was transferred another hour away. I sold that house for the same money I bought it for because the neighborhood had declined thanks to Bill Clinton’s “peace dividend” costing my aero-space neighbors their jobs so they all lost their houses. I then bought a small condo a few miles from my job and lived there for another twenty five years and paid it off. I then retired, sold that condo and used the proceeds to pay cash for my retirement home,
Anyone could do what I did by sacrificing and planning. No one gave me anything, I had no white privilege. The only privilege I had was hard work and sacrifice. I EARNED my veterans benefits by shedding sweat and blood protecting you and thirty million people like you. I served alongside Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Indians and you know what? The only colors we recognized were Army OD Green and the red of blood. I was raised as poor as any Black kid, there were plenty of months where there were days left after the money was gone. Weeks of Mac and cheese and hot dogs for food. My grandmother raised me and we were too proud to take welfare or any government assistance. We lived in cheap, cockroach infested apartments because that’s all we could afford. That’s why I’m totally intolerant of your bullshit; anyone of any race can do what I did.
You think you can elicit sympathy for yourself by talking about HISTORICAL events that happened before most Americans living today were born ? And what is YOUR situation right now > Want to show us that nice shiny new car you're driving, and that cozy central AC pad you hide out in ?I have said this more than once, blacks' grievance with America left slavery as the sole issue pretty much the day after blacks were informed of emancipation. We were freed from slavery even though we received no compensation for the economic damage caused. Today’s grievances include not just slavery but the 100 years after emancipation and modern forms of racism. Simply put, human rights violations against blacks did not end after slavery. Dr. Carol Anderson points this out in detail in her book, “White Rage.”
Dr. Anderson chronicles the many methods whites used in the years after slavery to restrict the right for blacks to move around freely in America. Whites in the south used any means necessary to discourage blacks from moving north. In the north, whites terrorized blacks competing for jobs with better pay and those trying to live in majority white neighborhoods.
In July 1865, Circular 13 was issued by General Oliver Howard fully authorizing the lease of 40-acre plots of land to the newly freed blacks. As a result of this document, 40,000 formerly enslaved people began work on land that now belonged to them. But President Andrew Johnson killed these two orders and removed those 40,000 blacks from that land while destroying any income they could make. He gave the land back to whites. Johnson pardoned most of the confederate leaders, allowing them to regain power. By doing this, Johnson unleashed a reign of terror on blacks that was nothing short of attempted ethnic cleansing.
On the evening of Saturday, July 19th, 1919, in Washington D.C., a mob of mad drunken white World War 1 veterans invaded a black neighborhood because of a rumor spread about a black man assaulting the wife of a white navy man.54 Those mad white men proceeded to beat all the blacks they found.
The Omaha Race Riot occurred on September 28–29, 1919. Three conditions: black property acquisition, economic anxiety, and black male sexual aggression claims have been the standard for white violence against blacks throughout American history. The Omaha Riots met at least 2 of the three conditions. The eventual lynching of Will Brown began with reports in local media about the alleged rape of a woman on September 25, 1919. Brown was lynched, shot up after he was dead, dragged through the streets of Omaha, and set on fire. He had committed no crime.
On December 23, 1945, Mr. and Mrs. H. O’Day Short and their two little children were burned to death in Fontana, California.
For the first five years after WW2 in Chicago alone, there were over 300 documented acts of terror by whites against blacks who tried living in or near majority-white neighborhoods.65 In 1951, a black man named Harvey Clark and his family tried to move into the Cicero neighborhood of Chicago. A white mob vandalized his home and burned his furniture in the front yard. The police did nothing.
In 1955, there were more than 200 recorded acts of violence against blacks by whites in Philadelphia
In 1964, blacks again tried renting an apartment in Cicero, their apartment was vandalized. Police acted this time. They entered the apartment, took out the furniture, and told the people they were evicted.
During the same period in Detroit, there were over 200 acts of terror to stop black families from moving to the suburbs.
In 15 years from 1950 to 1965, more than 100 recorded bombings of black-owned homes occurred in Los Angeles.
In 1987, another black family tried moving into Cicero. They got gunfire and firebombs.71 Again, that was in 1987, not 1887.
Consistently since the end of slavery, there has been a section of the white community who violently resisted the efforts of blacks to live successfully in America. During this time, prosperous blacks faced acts of terror while thriving black communities got destroyed by mobs of angry whites who felt they were losing out because blacks had acquired the same things whites had. This kind of terrorism has gone long ignored in understanding the brutality and hardcore resistance to black freedom in America.
After slavery ended, southern whites went on a campaign of what can only be called ethnic cleansing. The federal government turned tail and ran by establishing a legal principle whereby the federal government did not have to enforce the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments by using states’ rights. Apartheid became the law of the land due to the Plessy decision. Blacks tried to escape the oppressive conditions in the south by coming north, but they found just how united the states were relative to white supremacy. At every turn, whenever blacks tried reaching for what this country claims to promise, we have run into a brick wall, or more accurately, a white mob.
And I didn't include the government programs helping whites that blacks were excluded from.
July 19, 1919: White Mobs in Uniform Attack African Americans — Who Fight Back — in Washington, D.C., July 19, 1919: White Mobs in Uniform Attack African Americans — Who Fight Back — in Washington, D.C. - Zinn Education Project
Anthony Dittmar, Omaha Race Riot, Omaha Race Riot – Discovering 1919
B.C Franklin, The Tulsa Race Riots and Three of It’s Victims, A Long-Lost Manuscript Contains a Searing Eyewitness Account of the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921
Survivors of 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre share eyewitness accounts, Survivors of 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre share eyewitness accounts - The Cincinnati Herald
William L. Patterson, We Charge Genocide, 4th edition, International Publishers Co., Inc., New York, 2017 pp.60-61
Peter Salwen, A "Northern Lynching," Remembering the Trenton Six Case, August 6, 1998, "A Northern Lynching" - the "Trenton Six" case, 50 years later
Sharon Schlegel, Harrowing case of the "Trenton Six", The Times of Trenton, Jan 28, 2012, Updated Mar 30, 2019, https://www.nj.com/times opinion/2012/01/harrowing_case_of_the_trenton.html
Richard Rothstein, Color of Law, Liverright Publishing, pp.144, 2018
Jae Jones, Cicero Race Riot: Mob of 4,000 Destroys Apartment Building with One Black Family Tenants, November 14, 2018, Cicero Race Riot: Mob of 4,000 Destroys Apartment Building with One Black Family Tenantsblack-family-tenants/
Charles Abrams, The Time Bomb That Exploded in Cicero: Segregated Housing's Inevitable Dividend, The Time Bomb That Exploded in Cicero:Segregated Housing's Inevitable Dividend
Christy Clark-Pujara and Anna-Lisa Cox, How the Myth of a Liberal North Erases a Long History of White Violence, smithsonianmag.com, August 27, 2020, How the Myth of a Liberal North Erases a Long History of White Violence
How the hell can you talk about "white preference" ?.....when for 57 years, in America, blacks have been the beneficiares of "preference", and whites have been the victims.No, it's not bs. You just want to keep lying to yourself. Look, I've studied this stuff, know why things are and I am telling you that you are uneducated pertaining to these issues and your opinion is silly and incorrect. Don't try telling me that colorblind crap. I doubt you were raised as poor as blacks and even if you were, you don't seem to understand that white preference is real. You have done exactly as I said you would. You asked for information,dismissed the information then decided you could lecture me on what blacks need to do. I know what blacks need and given all the information I have seen that you haven't and don't want to see, I am going to tell you to go work on ending YOUR racism and once that is done work to make racism irrelevant in the white community.
IM2 is not capable of talking in the present tense. All he talks about is the PAST, and then tries to pawn himself off as a victim, from the sufferings of people not even living today.Lol don’t you mean does, present tense? You deflected on the question. The word EVERYTHING has nothing to do with racism.
I'm not racist. You'll never admit it because race is the most important thing in your life. Things that happened to your ancestors blind you to all that has been done for you today. There are exactly three people on these boards that agree with you and you are all racists. Everyone else disagrees with you, you call every black that disagrees with your racist views a sellout and Uncle Tom. According to you no one can know anything except you. I honestly don't know why I waste valuable time trying to get through to you in the face of constant failure. I guess what they say about trying to teach a horse to sing is true. All that happens is that you annoy the horse and frustrate yourself.No, it's not bs. You just want to keep lying to yourself. Look, I've studied this stuff, know why things are and I am telling you that you are uneducated pertaining to these issues and your opinion is silly and incorrect. Don't try telling me that colorblind crap. I doubt you were raised as poor as blacks and even if you were, you don't seem to understand that white preference is real. You have done exactly as I said you would. You asked for information,dismissed the information then decided you could lecture me on what blacks need to do. I know what blacks need and given all the information I have seen that you haven't and don't want to see, I am going to tell you to go work on ending YOUR racism and once that is done work to make racism irrelevant in the white community.
Black poverty is because many black males have criminal records and many black women are single mothers without educations. With those voluntary actions, black poverty will always be higher than white poverty. I'm living proof that no matter how poor you are born, you can claw your way out of poverty. The advantages that I had, no one gave me. I earned them in the military serving with a lot of black troops that were and are my brothers. None of them would stop to piss on you if you were on fire. They used to call people who talked and behaved like you shiftless, worthless N.......... They worked hard and proved every day that black Americans were just as good as anyone. There wasn't one of them that I wouldn't trust at my back or with my life. I wouldn't trust you a tenth of the distance I could throw you, you'd slip a knife in my back rather than support me against a common enemy. That's because you view whites as your ultimate enemy. I'm sure that's why you never served in the military, you don't really view this as your country, you view it as the country of people who look like me and to you that's enough reason not to put your "valuable" skin at risk defending it. The members of the Tuskeegee Airmen, the 92nd Infantry Division and the 784th Tank Battalion would all be ashamed of you,Individual poverty.
In 1959 poverty for blacks was 55.1 percent. For whites, it was 18.1. Black poverty was 3.04 times that of whites. This was five years before the Civil Rights Act and during legalized segregation. In 1966, poverty for Blacks was 41.8 percent. For whites, it was 11.3 percent. Black poverty was 3.69 times that of whites. This was two years after the Civil Rights Act, and the country was trying to figure out how to get to equality. In 1974, poverty for Blacks was 30.3 percent. For Whites, 8.6 percent. Black poverty was 3.52 times that of whites ten years after the Civil Rights Act was passed. In 1984, poverty for Blacks was 33.8 percent. For Whites, 11.5 percent. Black poverty was still 2.94 times that of whites 20 years after the Civil Rights Act. One would think that if a real concerted effort had been made relative to hiring and equal pay, this would not be the case.
In 2004, the poverty rate for Blacks was 24.7 percent. For Whites, 10.8 percent. Black poverty was 2.28 times that of whites 40 years after the Civil Rights Act. In 40 years, black poverty was still twice that of whites. The difference between blacks and whites had decreased by less than 1 point. Either programs and policies designed to lower poverty in the black community did not work, or the necessary emphasis was not placed on trying to do what it takes to reduce poverty in the black community so that it was at least comparable to that of whites.
In 2014, the Black poverty rate was 26.2 percent. For Whites, 12.7 percent. Fifty years after the Civil Rights Act was passed and members of the American right determined that racism was a thing of the past, black poverty was still two times that of whites., In 2020 we heard all the bragging from President number 45 and his followers about all the great things he did for black people. When he left office, poverty for Blacks was 19.3 percent. For Whites, it was 8.2 percent. Despite the claims of President number 45, Black poverty was two times that of whites. Since 1959 no matter how low or high poverty has been, blacks have continued living at double the white and overall American poverty rate. Increased high school and college graduation rates have not changed this discrepancy.
Now if anybody here thinks this because blacks have not tried or that the government exclusively gave blacks 10 trillion dollars and blacks wasted it all, or that democrats alone had decided to keep blacks in poverty so blacks would keep voting for democrats to keep us in poverty, go check into a mental institution. If racism was not a factor, poverty would not always be double that of whites no matter how low poverty is.
Yes you are a racist. This discussion has nothing to do about what was done to my ancestors. There are more than 3 people who agree with me and no racist agree a couple of with me. What you call black racism isn't even racism. You can't get through to me because I know more about this than you do. I don't have any racist views and the only blacks you agree with are the ones who validate your racism. You are the horse here son. I don't know what you think you're trying to teach me, but you're the annoying one. This is the exact racism you display:I'm not racist. You'll never admit it because race is the most important thing in your life. Things that happened to your ancestors blind you to all that has been done for you today. There are exactly three people on these boards that agree with you and you are all racists. Everyone else disagrees with you, you call every black that disagrees with your racist views a sellout and Uncle Tom. According to you no one can know anything except you. I honestly don't know why I waste valuable time trying to get through to you in the face of constant failure. I guess what they say about trying to teach a horse to sing is true. All that happens is that you annoy the horse and frustrate yourself.
No, thats not the case. Now quit trying to tell me why things are for blacks. Because even those criminal records are often caused by racism in law enforcement. Whites are arrested almost 3 times more than blacks annually and they all can't be innocent. Again stop being white thinking you can tell me why things are for blacks. I know many black military men. Many are good friends.Black poverty is because many black males have criminal records and many black women are single mothers without educations. With those voluntary actions, black poverty will always be higher than white poverty. I'm living proof that no matter how poor you are born, you can claw your way out of poverty. The advantages that I had, no one gave me. I earned them in the military serving with a lot of black troops that were and are my brothers. None of them would stop to piss on you if you were on fire. They used to call people who talked and behaved like you shiftless, worthless N.......... They worked hard and proved every day that black Americans were just as good as anyone. There wasn't one of them that I wouldn't trust at my back or with my life. I wouldn't trust you a tenth of the distance I could throw you, you'd slip a knife in my back rather than support me against a common enemy. That's because you view whites as your ultimate enemy. I'm sure that's why you never served in the military, you don't really view this as your country, you view it as the country of people who look like me and to you that's enough reason not to put your "valuable" skin at risk defending it. The members of the Tuskeegee Airmen, the 92nd Infantry Division and the 784th Tank Battalion would all be ashamed of you,
No, it's not bs. You just want to keep lying to yourself. Look, I've studied this stuff, know why things are and I am telling you that you are uneducated pertaining to these issues and your opinion is silly and incorrect. Don't try telling me that colorblind crap. I doubt you were raised as poor as blacks and even if you were, you don't seem to understand that white preference is real.
I know what blacks need and given all the information I have seen that you haven't and don't want to see, I am going to tell you to go work on ending YOUR racism and once that is done work to make racism irrelevant in the white community.
Then how do you explain how Asians are doing so well? Not only are they limited by supposed "racism", but they often come here with no connections and a limited grasp on the English Language.
Could it be they- work hard, don't have kids out of wedlock, don't join gangs, stay in school.
Naw, that couldn't possibly be it!
No, thats not the case. Now quit trying to tell me why things are for blacks. Because even those criminal records are often caused by racism in law enforcement. Whites are arrested almost 3 times more than blacks annually and they all can't be innocent. Again stop being white thinking you can tell me why things are for blacks. I know many black military men. Many are good friends.
Who would have thought that behaving like responsible human beings would result in better life outcomes than behaving like feral animals?
I guess it must be “racist” that better behavior produces better results.
ONCE AGAIN - It depends on the circumstance.
An unarmed white person pumping iron in the pen on PCP can be dangerous if he wants to inflict harm on another smaller weaker unarmed person who is untrained in any unarmed combat.
If those persons shot are indeed attacking the officer or another party in a way that threatens death or serious bodily harm, most would agree that shooting them can be justified.
The number of police arrests will ALWAYS greatly exceed the number of civies killed by the police. But do you set the bar that low for the police ? That you think they deserve a round of applause because most of their interactions with ppl don't end up in them blowing them away ?
The Ku Klux Klan only lynched and hanged a small percentage of black people they interacted with. So there was no problem with the Klan ?
And who get's to decide what is questionable ? Because had this not been filmed on social media it would not have been seen as questionable
Don't straw man. Don't just make up random numbers to suit your argument
The police have perfect training in knowing how de-escalate situations when they are white
I'm in the PUNISHMENT game. Because that how they roll with us. It's all about punishment with blk ppl. All about laws, fines, bans, prison with black people.
Or white cop Adrian Schoolcraft he logged how the NYPD used to manipulate crime stats. He recorded everything that was said with a small tape recorder while he was on duty.
Police officers were told how many people to stop and search. How many tickets to write. How many arrests to make every month. Meanwhile serious crime was not taken seriously. .
When he had a solid case he went to InternalAffairs. So the police arrived at his door with a dozen policemen. They tore his place apart. They threw him to the ground, beat him up and handcuffed him.
Who are you and what have you done with JoeB?More Crazy Paul stuff...
Um, yeah. I think that's what I said...
Okay, so again, not seeing a problem here. Deadly force is justified in some cases.
Um, yeah, I think if we put you out there with a gun and had you try to enforce the law, you'd probably do considerably worse. Heck, I've been trained by the military, I don't think I'd show as much restraint as the police do.
It's cute....the FBI, the gestapo of the democrat party....is now only computing murders by weapon in 10 year increments........rather than yearly as they did before...at least I can't find a yearly estimate...perhaps someone else can...
The Klan lynched mostly innocent people without due process of law. The police are in situations of life and death and have to make split second decisions. When they make the wrong ones, I'm all for punishing them. - Chauvin, Van Dyke, Guyger.
Okay, so let's look at that one.
Jacob Blake had previously sexually assaulted his girlfriend and was trying to make off with her kids and her car. He was ordered multiple times to stop, and then he reached into his car for a knife. Still wrong of the cops to shoot him, they should have tried other things...
Yeah, training. The one thing I can tell you about training, having done it in the military for 11 years, is that you put people in a stress situation, they will forget their training.
Um, okay. Just don't expect it to happen that much. People are getting fed up with crime. You guys got what you wanted, the cops stood down and the thugs took over, and in 2020, we have 6,000 more murders than we had in 2019.
So, yeah, you got the kind of cops you want... the ones who don't do their jobs. Happy now?
So he taped his coworkers without their knowledge with the intent to get them into trouble, and he wondered why they were pissed with him.
Tell you what, buddy, on the unlikely possibility you have gainful employment, go into work tomorrow and start recording your coworkers when they are goofing off, taking shortcuts or otherwise being less than professional.
Now, here's the thing. The abuses by the NYPD under Guliani and Bloomberg WERE bad. But they brought the crime rate down. De Blasio reversed those policies and crime went up.
It's a very American thing. We want freedom, but we also want order. "Don't Treat on Me" and "Back the Blue" are contradictory concepts.