White Protestant Nationalists still hate Catholics

[surada]

For over 1000 years Christians have seen and declared that the Vatican is the fulfillment of Revelation 17&18.

How ignorant. The Beast was the Roman Emperor in the first century.

 

[surada]

"Christianity" is open to all. Certain sects, churches calling themselves Christian, make exclusive regulations and set certain standards. One person in an Italian city pronouncing measures that are supposed to apply to all Christians is not "open", it is absurd. If a Christian wants to know how to be a Christian and what to do, prayer and communion with fellow Christians is the prescribed action. Dictates from afar are arguably against the individual responsibility that Christ pointed out.
Of course, if we are not truly Christian, then anything goes.

My interest lies in history--including etymology. You noted that Catholic means "universal". "Universal" comes from Old French, and Old French was spoken between the 8th and 14th centuries. It is thought "universal" popped up around the 12th century. Meanwhile, Catholic was in use over a thousand years before that. The word closest to "universal" in Latin meant One. I find this interesting because of Jesus' own prayer--that his followers would remain One just as he was One with the Father.

This is why I consider history vital. Instead of modern day people insisting Catholic was applied because someone in the 12th century was being tricky, we learn what was in the minds and hearts of Jesus and the first Christians. The Catholic Church, from the first, has maintained and protected Apostolic traditions and passed them on.

Meanwhile, Protestants began insisting that people could read the Bible and the Holy Spirit would teach them what it means. Voila! New teachings began cropping up, with the claim, "Look it says this in the Bible, and clearly this means that..."

Not even the Catholic Church is immune to changes in language and culture which is why I believe each individual does well to, at least occasionally, brush up on the language, history, and culture of biblical and apostolic times.

Christian Nationalism is a new term for Dominionism.

What Is Christian Nationalism?

An explainer on how the belief differs from other forms of nationalism, patriotism, and Christianity.

www.christianitytoday.com

Excerpt:

What is patriotism, and is it good?

Patriotism is the love of country. It is different from nationalism, which is an argument about how to define our country. Christians should recognize that patriotism is good because all of God’s creation is good and patriotism helps us appreciate our particular place in it.

Our affection and loyalty to a specific part of God’s creation helps us do the good work of cultivating and improving the part we happen to live in. As Christians, we can and should love the United States—which also means working to improve our country by holding it up for critique and working for justice when it errs.

What is nationalism?

There are many definitions of nationalism and an active debate about how best to define it. I reviewed the standard academic literature on nationalism and found several recurring themes. Most scholars agree that nationalism starts with the belief that humanity is divisible into mutually distinct, internally coherent cultural groups defined by shared traits like language, religion, ethnicity, or culture.

From there, scholars say, nationalists believe that these groups should each have their own governments; that governments should promote and protect a nation’s cultural identity; and that sovereign national groups provide meaning and purpose for human beings.

What is Christian nationalism?

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way.

Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future.

Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.

Christian nationalists do not reject the First Amendment and do not advocate for theocracy, but they do believe that Christianity should enjoy a privileged position in the public square.

The term “Christian nationalism,” is relatively new, and its advocates generally do not use it of themselves, but it accurately describes American nationalism........

continued

 

[DGS49]

When this nation was founded, the concept of Natural Law was universally accepted. Accordingly, our state penal codes were chock full of "crimes" that were basically manifestations of perceived immorality, many of which had no apparent "victim." I'm speaking of sodomy laws, laws against adultery, fornication, substance abuse, gambling, and so on.

When godless heathens took over Academe and the Democrat party, they introduced the concept that if a "crime" had no apparent victim, it should come within the freedoms we all supposedly enjoy. The current campaign to legalize marijuana is one of the last remaining hurdles this campaign has cleared.

But one must never forget that Leftism is Evil, and that Leftists are never satisfied. Many manifestations of this fact are contained in this very thread.

 

[surada]

For over 1000 years Christians have seen and declared that the Vatican is the fulfillment of Revelation 17&18.

How ignorant. The Beast was the Roman Emperor in the first century.

Your stupidity and ignorance revealing retort noted.

Read your Bible. Queen Berniece, granddaughter of Herod, was the mistress of Titus.

Rev 17-18 were also fulfilled in the life of Berenice, the human embodiment of adulterous Jerusalem. Rev 17 is political satire. The spiritual adultery between Jerusalem and Rome is embodied by the adulterous affair between Queen Berenice (firstborn princess of Israel) and Titus (firstborn son of Caesar) during and after the Jewish War.

 

[surada]

When this nation was founded, the concept of Natural Law was universally accepted. Accordingly, our state penal codes were chock full of "crimes" that were basically manifestations of perceived immorality, many of which had no apparent "victim." I'm speaking of sodomy laws, laws against adultery, fornication, substance abuse, gambling, and so on.

When godless heathens took over Academe and the Democrat party, they introduced the concept that if a "crime" had no apparent victim, it should come within the freedoms we all supposedly enjoy. The current campaign to legalize marijuana is one of the last remaining hurdles this campaign has cleared.

But one must never forget that Leftism is Evil, and that Leftists are never satisfied. Many manifestations of this fact are contained in this very thread.

4.3: Natural Law Theory - Humanities LibreTexts

https://human.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Philosophy...

Mar 09, 2021 · Aquinas’s Natural Law Theory contains four different types of law: Eternal Law, Natural Law, Human Law and Divine Law. The way to understand these four laws and how they relate to one another is via the Eternal Law, so we’d better start there… By “Eternal Law’” Aquinas means God’s rational purpose and plan for all things. And because the Eternal Law is part of God’s mind then it has always, …

 

[JohnPrewett]

For over 1000 years Christians have seen and declared that the Vatican is the fulfillment of Revelation 17&18.

How ignorant. The Beast was the Roman Emperor in the first century.

Your stupidity and ignorance revealing retort noted.

Read your Bible. Queen Berniece, granddaughter of Herod, was the mistress of Titus.

Rev 17-18 were also fulfilled in the life of Berenice, the human embodiment of adulterous Jerusalem. Rev 17 is political satire. The spiritual adultery between Jerusalem and Rome is embodied by the adulterous affair between Queen Berenice (firstborn princess of Israel) and Titus (firstborn son of Caesar) during and after the Jewish War.

just shut up. you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[Clyde 154]

Who cares what racists think?
Anyway, as concerns "Protestants" in general and the R.C.C., don't mistake contempt for "hate".

Someone, anyone, Enlighten us..........how does the Catholic RACE differ from the Christian RACE, the Muslim RACE.......etc.,?

You can comprehend much by the name that is chosen to represent a supposed faith. With Christ being the head of the Church what other name should His church be known by? Its surely not Roman Catholicism........that claims that the POPE's teachings takes precedence over scriptural teachings. In other words........why name a faith after a City State instead of the head of the movement? If Christ's head sits atop the body.........by what other name is there to identify with?

You do understand that we live in a free republic that allows FREE SPEECH? Even speech that might offend someone is protected......no one has ever been talked to death.

Reality: Christians do not HATE anyone because of their religious convictions, but Christians are instructed, even commanded to defend their faith. If you see someone practicing false doctrine as contradicts the Holy Scriptures.....its not HATE. Elders of the church are expressly commanded to "rebuke" those who are contradicting the Holy Scriptures, A Christian must be ".....able, by SOUND DOCTRINE, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." -- Titus 1:9

The apostle declares, "Preach the word! Be ready in season, out of season (anytime confronted with contradictions of the message delivered by the Apostles of Christ), Convince, Rebuke, Exhort (by forceful speech), with all longsuffering and teaching." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

No one should attempt to confuse teaching the truth found in scripture with HATE. Some do not like to hear the truth....you might say they HATE IT.........thus, they invert their hate and charge others with their own hypocrisy.

Its TRUTH that sets you free (John 8:32)......not man made traditions, traditions only bind you, limit you, and often condemn you. As the Christ called those who taught tradition instead of the Law.......Vipers, Snakes...........

When a Christian neglects to rebuke contradictions when confronted with them it gives falsehoods a chance to spread.

When you see people being taken advantage of for GAIN its time to rebuke. "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, FOR THE SAKE OF DISHONEST GAIN." -- Titus 1:10-11.

The Roman Catholic Church once controlled the majority of all the state governments in the western world from ROME, pumping the world's wealth to the Vatican. These practices brought the world such noble quests as the Crusades and the Inquisitions. Its no wonder those of Muslim faith still hold a grudge and practice 13th century doctrine while preaching hate toward all Christians.

 

[Clyde 154]

Who cares what racists think?
Anyway, as concerns "Protestants" in general and the R.C.C., don't mistake contempt for "hate".

Someone, anyone, Enlighten us..........how does the Catholic RACE differ from the Christian RACE, the Muslim RACE.......etc.,? There is no such animal as religious races. Take Catholicism or Judaism...........they have members from all races of humanity......religious doctrine does not constitute RACE. It much like the homosexual community attempting to define themselves as distinct race of people because of the type of sex they wish to engage........sex is something common to all peoples, and sex always is engaged by free will choices, if not you are working in porn or you have just been raped.

You can much by the name that is chosen to represent a supposed faith. With Christ being the head of the Church what other name should His church be known by? Its surely not Roman Catholicism........that claims that the POPE's teachings takes precedence over scriptural teachings. In other words........why name a faith after a City State instead of the head of the movement? If Christ's head sits atop the body.........by what other name is there to identify with?

You do understand that we live in a free republic that allows FREE SPEECH? Even speech that might offend someone is protected......no one has ever been talked to death.

Reality: Christians do not HATE anyone because of their religious convictions, but Christians are instructed, even commanded to defend their faith. If you see someone practicing false doctrine as contradicts the Holy Scriptures.....its not HATE. Elders of the church are expressly commanded to "rebuke" those who are contradicting the Holy Scriptures, A Christian must be ".....able, by SOUND DOCTRINE, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." -- Titus 1:9

The apostle declares, "Preach the word! Be ready in season, out of season (anytime confronted with contradictions of the message delivered by the Apostles of Christ), Convince, Rebuke, Exhort (by forceful speech), with all longsuffering and teaching." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

No one should attempt to confuse teaching the truth found in scripture with HATE. Some do not like to hear the truth....you might say they HATE IT.........thus, they invert their hate and charge others with their own hypocrisy.

Its TRUTH that sets you free (John 8:32)......not man made traditions, traditions only bind you, limit you, and often condemn you. As the Christ called those who taught tradition instead of the Law.......Vipers, Snakes...........

When a Christian neglects to rebuke contradicts when confronted with them it gives falsehoods a chance to spread.

When you see people being taken advantage of for GAIN its time to rebuke. "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, FOR THE SAKE OF DISHONEST GAIN." -- Titus 1:10-11.

The Roman Catholic Church once controlled the majority of all the state governments in the western world from ROME, pumping the world's wealth to the Vatican. These practices brought the world such noble quests as the Crusades and the Inquisitions. Its no wonder those of Muslim faith still hold a grudge and practice 13th century doctrine while preaching hate toward all Christians.

 

[Clyde 154]

Who cares what racists think?
Anyway, as concerns "Protestants" in general and the R.C.C., don't mistake contempt for "hate".

Someone, anyone, Enlighten us..........how does the Catholic RACE differ from the Christian RACE, the Muslim RACE.......etc.,? There is no such animal as religious races. Take Catholicism or Judaism...........they have members from all races of humanity......religious doctrine does not constitute RACE. It much like the homosexual community attempting to define themselves as distinct race of people because of the type of sex they wish to engage........sex is something common to all peoples, and sex always is engaged by free will choices, if not you are working in porn or you have just been raped.

You can much by the name that is chosen to represent a supposed faith. With Christ being the head of the Church what other name should His church be known by? Its surely not Roman Catholicism........that claims that the POPE's teachings takes precedence over scriptural teachings. In other words........why name a faith after a City State instead of the head of the movement? If Christ's head sits atop the body.........by what other name is there to identify with?

You do understand that we live in a free republic that allows FREE SPEECH? Even speech that might offend someone is protected......no one has ever been talked to death.

Reality: Christians do not HATE anyone because of their religious convictions, but Christians are instructed, even commanded to defend their faith. If you see someone practicing false doctrine as contradicts the Holy Scriptures.....its not HATE. Elders of the church are expressly commanded to "rebuke" those who are contradicting the Holy Scriptures, A Christian must be ".....able, by SOUND DOCTRINE, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." -- Titus 1:9

The apostle declares, "Preach the word! Be ready in season, out of season (anytime confronted with contradictions of the message delivered by the Apostles of Christ), Convince, Rebuke, Exhort (by forceful speech), with all longsuffering and teaching." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

No one should attempt to confuse teaching the truth found in scripture with HATE. Some do not like to hear the truth....you might say they HATE IT.........thus, they invert their hate and charge others with their own hypocrisy.

Its TRUTH that sets you free (John 8:32)......not man made traditions, traditions only bind you, limit you, and often condemn you. As the Christ called those who taught tradition instead of the Law.......Vipers, Snakes...........

When a Christian neglects to rebuke contradicts when confronted with them it gives falsehoods a chance to spread.

When you see people being taken advantage of for GAIN its time to rebuke. "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, FOR THE SAKE OF DISHONEST GAIN." -- Titus 1:10-11.

The Roman Catholic Church once controlled the majority of all the state governments in the western world from ROME, pumping the world's wealth to the Vatican. These practices brought the world such noble quests as the Crusades and the Inquisitions. Its no wonder those of Muslim faith still hold a grudge and practice 13th century doctrine while preaching hate toward all Christians.

Funny........the RACE CARD is always the last resort of the ignorant who can't defend their own argument with objective facts in evidence. Someone must be socialist liberal. It always sounds the end of debate.........much like the final buzzer in a sporting contest. You know its over when the RACE CARD, HATE CARD, SEXIST CARD...etc., is tossed on the table as if these projected lies trump everything else. Its the last resort of the one losing an argument.

 

[Clyde 154]

Who cares what racists think?
Anyway, as concerns "Protestants" in general and the R.C.C., don't mistake contempt for "hate".

Someone, anyone, Enlighten us..........how does the Catholic RACE differ from the Christian RACE, the Muslim RACE.......etc.,? There is no such animal as religious races. Take Catholicism or Judaism...........they have members from all races of humanity......religious doctrine does not constitute RACE. It much like the homosexual community attempting to define themselves as distinct race of people because of the type of sex they wish to engage........sex is something common to all peoples, and sex always is engaged by free will choices, if not you are working in porn or you have just been raped.

You can much by the name that is chosen to represent a supposed faith. With Christ being the head of the Church what other name should His church be known by? Its surely not Roman Catholicism........that claims that the POPE's teachings takes precedence over scriptural teachings. In other words........why name a faith after a City State instead of the head of the movement? If Christ's head sits atop the body.........by what other name is there to identify with?

You do understand that we live in a free republic that allows FREE SPEECH? Even speech that might offend someone is protected......no one has ever been talked to death.

Reality: Christians do not HATE anyone because of their religious convictions, but Christians are instructed, even commanded to defend their faith. If you see someone practicing false doctrine as contradicts the Holy Scriptures.....its not HATE. Elders of the church are expressly commanded to "rebuke" those who are contradicting the Holy Scriptures, A Christian must be ".....able, by SOUND DOCTRINE, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." -- Titus 1:9

The apostle declares, "Preach the word! Be ready in season, out of season (anytime confronted with contradictions of the message delivered by the Apostles of Christ), Convince, Rebuke, Exhort (by forceful speech), with all longsuffering and teaching." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

No one should attempt to confuse teaching the truth found in scripture with HATE. Some do not like to hear the truth....you might say they HATE IT.........thus, they invert their hate and charge others with their own hypocrisy.

Its TRUTH that sets you free (John 8:32)......not man made traditions, traditions only bind you, limit you, and often condemn you. As the Christ called those who taught tradition instead of the Law.......Vipers, Snakes...........

When a Christian neglects to rebuke contradicts when confronted with them it gives falsehoods a chance to spread.

When you see people being taken advantage of for GAIN its time to rebuke. "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, FOR THE SAKE OF DISHONEST GAIN." -- Titus 1:10-11.

The Roman Catholic Church once controlled the majority of all the state governments in the western world from ROME, pumping the world's wealth to the Vatican. These practices brought the world such noble quests as the Crusades and the Inquisitions. Its no wonder those of Muslim faith still hold a grudge and practice 13th century doctrine while preaching hate toward all Christians.

Funny........the RACE CARD is always the last resort of the ignorant who can't defend their own argument with objective facts in evidence. Someone must be socialist liberal. It always sounds the end of debate.........much like the final buzzer in sporting contest. You know its over when the RACE CARD, HATE CARD, SEXIST CARD...etc., is tossed on the table as if these projected lies trump everything else. Its the last resort of the one losing a supposed intellectual debate.........its emotionalism at its finest.

 

[surada]

Someone, anyone, Enlighten us..........how does the Catholic RACE differ from the Christian RACE, the Muslim RACE.......etc.,?

You can comprehend much by the name that is chosen to represent a supposed faith. With Christ being the head of the Church what other name should His church be known by? Its surely not Roman Catholicism........that claims that the POPE's teachings takes precedence over scriptural teachings. In other words........why name a faith after a City State instead of the head of the movement? If Christ's head sits atop the body.........by what other name is there to identify with?

You do understand that we live in a free republic that allows FREE SPEECH? Even speech that might offend someone is protected......no one has ever been talked to death.

Reality: Christians do not HATE anyone because of their religious convictions, but Christians are instructed, even commanded to defend their faith. If you see someone practicing false doctrine as contradicts the Holy Scriptures.....its not HATE. Elders of the church are expressly commanded to "rebuke" those who are contradicting the Holy Scriptures, A Christian must be ".....able, by SOUND DOCTRINE, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." -- Titus 1:9

The apostle declares, "Preach the word! Be ready in season, out of season (anytime confronted with contradictions of the message delivered by the Apostles of Christ), Convince, Rebuke, Exhort (by forceful speech), with all longsuffering and teaching." -- 2 Tim. 4:2

No one should attempt to confuse teaching the truth found in scripture with HATE. Some do not like to hear the truth....you might say they HATE IT.........thus, they invert their hate and charge others with their own hypocrisy.

Its TRUTH that sets you free (John 8:32)......not man made traditions, traditions only bind you, limit you, and often condemn you. As the Christ called those who taught tradition instead of the Law.......Vipers, Snakes...........

When a Christian neglects to rebuke contradictions when confronted with them it gives falsehoods a chance to spread.

When you see people being taken advantage of for GAIN its time to rebuke. "For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole households, teaching things which they ought not, FOR THE SAKE OF DISHONEST GAIN." -- Titus 1:10-11.

The Roman Catholic Church once controlled the majority of all the state governments in the western world from ROME, pumping the world's wealth to the Vatican. These practices brought the world such noble quests as the Crusades and the Inquisitions. Its no wonder those of Muslim faith still hold a grudge and practice 13th century doctrine while preaching hate toward all Christians.

Muslims don't preach hate towards Christians. They teach "be kind to the Christians, they are nearest us in faith".

Muslims revere Jesus as the purest of the prophets.

 

[ding]

No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the HRCC.

The further Western Civilization moves away from this heritage, the more predictable surprises it will encounter.

Free will is a wonderful thing.

 

[zaangalewa]

Muslims don't preach hate towards Christians. They teach "be kind to the Christians, they are nearest us in faith".

Muslims revere Jesus as the purest of the prophets.

As long as Christians not believe in the triune god. In this case Christians are seen as polytheists.




By the way: To live in the world of the Muslims seems to be more a kind of hell for Christians - and to live in the world of the Christians is more a kind of heaven for Muslims. I fear many Muslims carry with them, what they try to flee. I suggest all Muslims should convert to the Christian religion. The last sentence here is a "death sentence" in a country of the Muslims, isn't it?

 

[zaangalewa]

No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the HRCC.

The further Western Civilization moves away from this heritage, the more predictable surprises it will encounter.

Free will is a wonderful thing.

As far as I heard the answer of the Holy Catholic Church is very clear in this context: No one hinders you to follow the principles of the holy church and to let it be to misuse the Holy Catholic Church and the history of Christianity for hate messages. One of the most important philosophers of the church had been by the way Aristotle ("the philosopher") - a heathen - in the interpretation of Averroes ("the interpreter") - a Muslim. The church was more than only a little tolerant in history. On them and many others bases today for example the worldwide system of independent universities and the search for truth in science.

 

[zaangalewa]

... The Roman Catholic Church once controlled the majority of all the state governments in the western world from ROME, pumping the world's wealth to the Vatican. These practices brought the world such noble quests as the Crusades and the Inquisitions. Its no wonder those of Muslim faith still hold a grudge and practice 13th century doctrine while preaching hate toward all Christians.

I'm always fascinated to read something about the history of Eridani IV.

 

[Colin norris]

In 1960, it was a big deal.

Today, not so much. Trump and Biden split the Catholic vote.... Compared to 1960, where 70 - 83% of Catholics voted for Kennedy. Ironically, Biden was put over the top by Protestants...

And this is a good thing, actually. The more we can separate politics from religion, the better.

I'd like to see those stats. Can you link it please.

 

[surada]

As long as Christians not believe in the triune god. In this case Christians are seen as polytheists.




By the way: To live in the world of the Muslims seems to be more a kind of hell for Christians - and to live in the world of the Christians is more a kind of heaven for Muslims. I fear many Muslims carry with them, what they try to flee. I suggest all Muslims should convert to the Christian religion. The last sentence here is a "death sentence" in a country of the Muslims, isn't it?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim country?