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What is it teaching then? I admit I have trouble with the concept that I am guilty for something I had nothing to do with, something that is vague and poorly defined but based on my skin color, not my actions. It seems to my mind a way judging me by race. I got educated, not by merit but because of white privilege. I was promoted, not because of my hard work but because of my skin color.This program that is going on right now? That's where I'm from.
Of course white people did bad shit. So did black people. So did yellow people. All people have done bad shit. Get over it.
A society can only be just in its time. Being told that you are guilty because of your skin color is no different than being told your inferior because of your skin color.
No, that crap ain't going to cut it. There is no program created anywhere that makes whites feel guilty for existing. Now you start naming me the white countries colonized by blacks, browns and yellows. Whites today are still doing the same types of shit. And since nobody is telling whites to be guilty for being white it is not the same as being told you are inferior. And it's not the same regardless. What this program is doing is trying to help move your society to just. Why do whites control a nation they do not originate from? You don't want to face that and in order for your society to become just in your time, you have to.
So grow up. You don't get to do 300 years of wrong then have a tantrum because you're criticized for it. And don't tell that tired lie about how you didn't do it, because it's still being done.
That program is telling whites to feel guilty for being white. You choose not to see it because you're so warped by race and being a victim.
I've lectured at an HBU. The group I lead is mostly non-whites. I've hired more black people in my organization than the black people. I choose to see people as individuals, not based on the color of one's skin, which you seem to be obsessed with.
No it doesn't. And stop lying about seeing people as individuals, not the skin color. If you actually did that, you would not consider the program as teaching whites to feel guilty for existing.
I see the opposite here all the time, where blacks (even our former president) Have their achievements diminished, not based on merit but skin color through affirmative action.
What I don’t see is any difference.
First off, it teaches that others besides whites have done things. Coyote, whites are where they are now because of things you say you had nothing to do with. And this is not about teaching whites to feel guilty. That is what you have been race pimped to believe. In this complete teaching of history, the positive accomplishments of whites have not been ignored. I did not create white preference, the system did. Non whites are not the ones that created the term. A white female did. And I don't think you have any doubt that there is male privilege and specifically white male privilege. The facts support that just as the facts support white racial preferences. So do I complain about how men are being made to feel guilty? Do I endeavor to make the changes I am required to based on the facts I am shown? Or do I spend years whining in every forum available about how I should not feel guilty about what I didn't do like most of these guys do.
Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.
Coyote, things are not the same for blacks and whites. Racism has not ended, the method of exclusion is not as overt, but it still happens. Because of this, whites do get into college because of white privilege and do get hired and promoted based on skin color. It is a false equivalence to compare that to what you said in your last sentence.
So in the end, why do I have to learn I descend from people who were made to be slaves but whites think they have the right to feel butthurt because there are some not so nice events in their history?
You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.
And I take issue with this:
Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.
I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.
You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.
What do you think they should be doing that they are not?