white loser lol

[IM2]

No, there are not 2 standards. There is only one meaning. Whites call themselves a lot of racially or ethnically derogatory words and we don't feel like the world is coming to and end if we can't call an Irish person a slur. So why do whites feel they must be free to walk up to our faces and use that word?[/QUOTE]

No idea. It is a slur. I do t want to use it. But is frustrating that it is ok for some to use it but not others. At the very least, it gives the appearance of double standards.

I don't use the word myself either.

Again, there are slurs whites use among themselves and we are not complaining how frustrating or unfair it is that we can't use them or that it's a double standard.

White slurs do whites use among themselves that a black person would be criticized for?

The world of slurs is not one I venture into that often.

In this forum the word white is considered a racial slur.

So you have never heard the word pollock, for example.

I have never heard white as a racial slur. Polock is a slur aimed at a person of polish descent...again, it is not considered ok for one group to use but not another.

In this forum I have been called a racist for using the word white.

 

[Coyote]

I don't use the word myself either.

Again, there are slurs whites use among themselves and we are not complaining how frustrating or unfair it is that we can't use them or that it's a double standard.

White slurs do whites use among themselves that a black person would be criticized for?

The world of slurs is not one I venture into that often.

In this forum the word white is considered a racial slur.

So you have never heard the word pollock, for example.

I have never heard white as a racial slur. Polock is a slur aimed at a person of polish descent...again, it is not considered ok for one group to use but not another.

In this forum I have been called a racist for using the word white.

That’s because we house a higher than average population of racial retards here.

 

[Correll]

First off, it teaches that others besides whites have done things. Coyote, whites are where they are now because of things you say you had nothing to do with. And this is not about teaching whites to feel guilty. That is what you have been race pimped to believe. In this complete teaching of history, the positive accomplishments of whites have not been ignored. I did not create white preference, the system did. Non whites are not the ones that created the term. A white female did. And I don't think you have any doubt that there is male privilege and specifically white male privilege. The facts support that just as the facts support white racial preferences. So do I complain about how men are being made to feel guilty? Do I endeavor to make the changes I am required to based on the facts I am shown? Or do I spend years whining in every forum available about how I should not feel guilty about what I didn't do like most of these guys do.

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

Coyote, things are not the same for blacks and whites. Racism has not ended, the method of exclusion is not as overt, but it still happens. Because of this, whites do get into college because of white privilege and do get hired and promoted based on skin color. It is a false equivalence to compare that to what you said in your last sentence.

So in the end, why do I have to learn I descend from people who were made to be slaves but whites think they have the right to feel butthurt because there are some not so nice events in their history?

You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.

And I take issue with this:

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.

You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.

What do you think they should be doing that they are not?

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

It is utter bullshit, and we will be resisting you forever.

 

[Coyote]

First off, it teaches that others besides whites have done things. Coyote, whites are where they are now because of things you say you had nothing to do with. And this is not about teaching whites to feel guilty. That is what you have been race pimped to believe. In this complete teaching of history, the positive accomplishments of whites have not been ignored. I did not create white preference, the system did. Non whites are not the ones that created the term. A white female did. And I don't think you have any doubt that there is male privilege and specifically white male privilege. The facts support that just as the facts support white racial preferences. So do I complain about how men are being made to feel guilty? Do I endeavor to make the changes I am required to based on the facts I am shown? Or do I spend years whining in every forum available about how I should not feel guilty about what I didn't do like most of these guys do.

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

Coyote, things are not the same for blacks and whites. Racism has not ended, the method of exclusion is not as overt, but it still happens. Because of this, whites do get into college because of white privilege and do get hired and promoted based on skin color. It is a false equivalence to compare that to what you said in your last sentence.

So in the end, why do I have to learn I descend from people who were made to be slaves but whites think they have the right to feel butthurt because there are some not so nice events in their history?

You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.

And I take issue with this:

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.

You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.

What do you think they should be doing that they are not?

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

And therein lies the problem. And it forces stereotyping and generalizing.

I think of myself as I....not a member of “the white community”

 

[Coyote]

You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.

And I take issue with this:

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.

You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.

What do you think they should be doing that they are not?

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

It is utter bullshit, and we will be resisting you forever.

Resisting what exactly?

 

[Correll]

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

It is utter bullshit, and we will be resisting you forever.

Resisting what exactly?

THe attempt by people like him (and you) to advance traditionally disadvantaged minorities against some imagined forces of "racism", when in actuality, it is just "white people".

 

[Coyote]

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

It is utter bullshit, and we will be resisting you forever.

Resisting what exactly?

THe attempt by people like him (and you) to advance traditionally disadvantaged minorities against some imagined forces of "racism", when in actuality, it is just "white people".

How am I advancing people specifically?

Do you think racism is imaginary?

 

[IM2]

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

It is not unfair when that's what happens Coyote.

White high school dropouts are wealthier than black and Hispanic college graduates. Can a new policy tool fix that?

Maybe no economic statistic captures the continuing impact of the nation’s history of inequality better than the racial wealth gap. It has left a yawning gulf that separates whites from blacks and Hispanics. And it persists across income and educational levels in ways that have left whites who are high school dropouts with a higher median new worth greater than blacks and Hispanics who are college graduates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ege-graduates-can-a-new-policy-tool-fix-that/

A Black Male With A Degree And A White High School Grad Have The Same Chances Of Getting A Job | HuffPost

Education Gaps Don't Fully Explain Why Black Unemployment Is So High
Even when they hold the same degree, African Americans are still much more likely to be looking for a job than white Americans.
Education Gaps Don't Fully Explain Why Black Unemployment Is So High

If merit was the driving factor this woukd not be the case.

 

[IM2]

I don't use the word myself either.

Again, there are slurs whites use among themselves and we are not complaining how frustrating or unfair it is that we can't use them or that it's a double standard.

White slurs do whites use among themselves that a black person would be criticized for?

The world of slurs is not one I venture into that often.

In this forum the word white is considered a racial slur.

So you have never heard the word pollock, for example.

I have never heard white as a racial slur. Polock is a slur aimed at a person of polish descent...again, it is not considered ok for one group to use but not another.

In this forum I have been called a racist for using the word white.

That’s because we house a higher than average population of racial retards here.

Fair enough.

 

[Correll]

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

It is utter bullshit, and we will be resisting you forever.

Resisting what exactly?

THe attempt by people like him (and you) to advance traditionally disadvantaged minorities against some imagined forces of "racism", when in actuality, it is just "white people".

How am I advancing people specifically?

Do you think racism is imaginary?

I think the vast majority of "racism" that is seen in our society is indeed, imaginary.


And it was a general statement. If you want to offer a specific example, go ahead.

 

[IM2]

You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.

And I take issue with this:

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.

You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.

What do you think they should be doing that they are not?

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

And therein lies the problem. And it forces stereotyping and generalizing.

I think of myself as I....not a member of “the white community”

Coyote you cannot solve a problem without considering what caused it. You can consider yourself I all you want but I does nothing alone in life. We all get help from places, meaning the stronger WE are, the stronger I will be. We are interdependent and not independent. So WE have to work together to make things better.

 

[Correll]

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

And therein lies the problem. And it forces stereotyping and generalizing.

I think of myself as I....not a member of “the white community”

Coyote you cannot solve a problem without considering what caused it. You can consider yourself I all you want but I does nothing alone in life. We all get help from places, meaning the stronger WE are, the stronger I will be. We are interdependent and not independent. So WE have to work together to make things better.

But you are trying to make things better for you and yours, at the expense of me and mine.


We will resist you forever.

 

[MizMolly]

The "privileged" are those getting the free shit - by either government handouts, looting or mugging.

Yep, white people.

What free shit are whites alone getting?

White folks have received free shit exclusively, from none other than FDR. That's a fact.

.

What exactly have I received free?

 

[MizMolly]

I don't use the word myself either.

Again, there are slurs whites use among themselves and we are not complaining how frustrating or unfair it is that we can't use them or that it's a double standard.

White slurs do whites use among themselves that a black person would be criticized for?

The world of slurs is not one I venture into that often.

In this forum the word white is considered a racial slur.

So you have never heard the word pollock, for example.

I have never heard white as a racial slur. Polock is a slur aimed at a person of polish descent...again, it is not considered ok for one group to use but not another.

In this forum I have been called a racist for using the word white.

On this forum you call whites racist for...no reason.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

First off, it teaches that others besides whites have done things. Coyote, whites are where they are now because of things you say you had nothing to do with. And this is not about teaching whites to feel guilty. That is what you have been race pimped to believe. In this complete teaching of history, the positive accomplishments of whites have not been ignored. I did not create white preference, the system did. Non whites are not the ones that created the term. A white female did. And I don't think you have any doubt that there is male privilege and specifically white male privilege. The facts support that just as the facts support white racial preferences. So do I complain about how men are being made to feel guilty? Do I endeavor to make the changes I am required to based on the facts I am shown? Or do I spend years whining in every forum available about how I should not feel guilty about what I didn't do like most of these guys do.

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

Coyote, things are not the same for blacks and whites. Racism has not ended, the method of exclusion is not as overt, but it still happens. Because of this, whites do get into college because of white privilege and do get hired and promoted based on skin color. It is a false equivalence to compare that to what you said in your last sentence.

So in the end, why do I have to learn I descend from people who were made to be slaves but whites think they have the right to feel butthurt because there are some not so nice events in their history?

You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.

And I take issue with this:

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.

You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.

What do you think they should be doing that they are not?

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

There is no macro without the individual. There is no people without a person. No citizenry without a citizen. You cannot separate the two. To pretend that the two are separate is what will make it fail. Of course it is a stumbling block. The "you" in contrast to the "we" being referenced is directed at the innocent. It must be conveyed a different way.

.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The "privileged" are those getting the free shit - by either government handouts, looting or mugging.

Yep, white people.

What free shit are whites alone getting?

White folks have received free shit exclusively, from none other than FDR. That's a fact.

.

What exactly have I received free?

You have probably received nothing, but it is true that white people were given exclusivity on a bunch of things in the past that have continued to benefit white people today.

I can't sit here and pretend that it did not affect white folks more positively.

It does no good to deny it. Accept that it happened and move toward a solution.

At the same time, the approach by which we restore what was damaged must not be conveyed in a way that where innocent parties are blamed solely because of race. That will NEVER work because it is completely illogical.

.

 

[Coyote]

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

And therein lies the problem. And it forces stereotyping and generalizing.

I think of myself as I....not a member of “the white community”

Coyote you cannot solve a problem without considering what caused it. You can consider yourself I all you want but I does nothing alone in life. We all get help from places, meaning the stronger WE are, the stronger I will be. We are interdependent and not independent. So WE have to work together to make things better.

But you are trying to make things better for you and yours, at the expense of me and mine.


We will resist you forever.

Is it really a zero sum equation? Maybe that view is the real problem here.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

And therein lies the problem. And it forces stereotyping and generalizing.

I think of myself as I....not a member of “the white community”

Coyote you cannot solve a problem without considering what caused it. You can consider yourself I all you want but I does nothing alone in life. We all get help from places, meaning the stronger WE are, the stronger I will be. We are interdependent and not independent. So WE have to work together to make things better.

Now THIS is the message that will work. This is a message we can all get behind.


.

 

[IM2]

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

And therein lies the problem. And it forces stereotyping and generalizing.

I think of myself as I....not a member of “the white community”

Coyote you cannot solve a problem without considering what caused it. You can consider yourself I all you want but I does nothing alone in life. We all get help from places, meaning the stronger WE are, the stronger I will be. We are interdependent and not independent. So WE have to work together to make things better.

But you are trying to make things better for you and yours, at the expense of me and mine.


We will resist you forever.

Is it really a zero sum equation? Maybe that view is the real problem here.

You have hit the nail on the head. The fallacy that by asking for the same things white have been getting as taking from whites is a incorrect POV and must be discredited.

 

[IM2]

You make good points, but I guess, from where I am coming from, I tend to see a lot of generalizing whites as if they are all the same and think the same. I dislike seeing this targeting of any group.

And I take issue with this:

Institutional racism has been considered by the supreme court to be a continuing problem. This means whites today, right now, benefit only because of their skin color. As long as whites refuse to do what is necessary to completely end institutional racism, you are doing the same thing that was done in the past.

I don’t disagree with the concept of institutionalized racism. I do, however, disagree strongly with the idea that every white personal owes his or her success solely to skin color. To me, that is as offensive as the claim that blacks owe their success solely due to affirmative action.

You are talking about whites as a monolithic entity that is failing to do what is necessary...yet they are not monolithic, and I think it is wrong to judge them in that way.

What do you think they should be doing that they are not?

I don't think of whites like that, but when I have to hear whites telling me how blacks have been given everything and don't want to work, the reality that American history show us must be displayed. I realize you are a good, decent and fair minded person, but the reality is that this system has and continues to provide whites with preferences others don't get. And coyote to say the only reason blacks make it is due to AA is factually incorrect, white racial preferences are fact. Affirmative Action was not just for blacks and whites have benefitted the most from the policy. Specifically white women.

White Women and Affirmative Action: Prime Beneficiaries and Opponents -

Now why is it up to me to tell you what whites need to be doing? I think that If you realize what was done in the past and are aware of the fact that racism exists today, you might start understanding how people like me say what I do. According to every white person I have met since I was in college 1979-1984, 1986-88, no white person descended from slave owners, none had anything to do with segregation, none of them have ever benefitted from being white, they all had it worse than blacks, and they have faced racism that makes Jim Crow look like Christmas. I was told in 1973 in 7th grade that racism was over, even as 2 days later I got into a fight with a white kid who decided I was the n word. So I think that after over 40 years of hearing excuses you have to understand why I might just be a little low on patience.

It is up to you, because you made the declaration that it needs to be done, so it is reasonable for me to ask what you think should be done.

I also think each person needs to be taken as an individual, and these conversations tend to make sweeping generalizations on both sides.

Does racism still exist in this country? Yes, it does, I won’t argue that. But many problems faced by black communities are caused by multiple and complex factors, which in some cases may not be racism but the legacy of racism perpetuated by economic disparities.

I agree with your statements on AA, that it wasn’t only blacks that benefited. The point I was making is people who use that argument completely minimize the contribution of merit, as if that person could not possibly have accomplished what he did on the basis of merit. And that same argument can be made for white privilege.

If you were to ask ME, as a white person, what “white people” should do, I would have a difficult time answering, because I am not seeing it through the same lens you do exactly.

I see a problem such as this for example: many poor neighborhoods tend to be lacking in good infrastructure, good schools, safe programs for youth, and they tend to be the places where industrial dumps and landfills get located, and other sorts of things that affect health and quality of life. Often these areas are predominately black, but not always. The people living there lack political power and funding. So...racism could be playing a role here but how would you address the issues? And the issues themselves faced by many poor communitees. Do you address it from the aspect of race? Or, do organize, publicize, attract attention and investment from a community perspective?

.

A person has to get an opportunity to work before they can say they didn't make it due to color but because of hard work. And this is the part you have missed Coyote, when you talk about how unfair it is for people to say certain things about whites.

I agree, but it is still unfair to make statements about white privalege not merit, being the main driving factor.

See, IM2. This demonstrates what I have been explaining elsewhere.

Coyote is hardly someone I would call a right-wing white nationalist. The approach is everything. It can't be a blanket statement "you're white, therefore privileged" or a statement that white kids have an advantage just because they are white. What they see and experience will tell them otherwise, and you are left with more resistance, rather than cooperation.

.

But it can be Bootney, because it is true. You can resist all you want but this is a macro level discussion because what was done and what continues to be done does not just apply to one person. And this is the stumbling block that keeps getting in the way. Blacks are arguing with WE and whites argue with I.

There is no macro without the individual. There is no people without a person. No citizenry without a citizen. You cannot separate the two. To pretend that the two are separate is what will make it fail. Of course it is a stumbling block. The "you" in contrast to the "we" being referenced is directed at the innocent. It must be conveyed a different way.

.

Bootney, the macro level view recognizes things that affect large numbers of individuals. So 1 individuals issue does not reduce a problem that affects large numbers of people . And Bootney when you argue as you do you argue for the maintenance of a system that perpetuates racial inequality therefore you are doing the exact same thing as was done in the past and you are not innocent.

And Bootney, nothing could be further from the truth than we are trying to better ourselves at the expense of you and yours. We are asking to have the exact same things as you and yours have always been given. If the average white family has $171,000 in wealth, it is not taking a damn thing from you if we demand that we get the same $171,000 in wealth. We were denied that, so to say we have the opportunity to do that now when we average 17,000 because of race based public policies by being colorblind individuals is only going to continue the inequality.

It is not taking from you to demand that if whites have a 3.3 percent unemployment rate that we do too. Why should we s=always have double the unemployment of whites regardless of educational attainment? The history of this nation shows that whites have bettered themselves at the expense of others. It continues now. Blacks pay taxes but many black communities are blighted while white ones are consistently developed. Black put our money in white owned banks and regardless of how good the plan is can't get business loans. Redlining devalued our property so because school funding is based on property taxes, schools in black neighborhoods are not adequately funded.

So asking for things to be equalized is not asking to better anyone at the expense of anybody else, and quite frankly when somebody white makes that comment, it makes me angry.

There are many things whites get right now not only in terms of money and services, but in general that people of color don't. And it happens so routinely that you take them for granted.