Which would you prefer?

[OldLady]

freedom to be a bigot is still freedom... Frankly, the best kind.
We should be able to say whatever in the **** we want without the govt raping us.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

Harley is telling you that my example in post 81 should be protected free speech.

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

You either believe in freedom or you dont.
I dont know why you bedwetters have to complicate such a simple question.
Just pick #2 because you know damn well you only care about freedoms YOU believe in. Just like NY.

See Post 120, although I fear it's over your head.

 

[bendog]

freedom to be a bigot is still freedom... Frankly, the best kind.
We should be able to say whatever in the **** we want without the govt raping us.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

Harley is telling you that my example in post 81 should be protected free speech.

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

Imho, he views things the way he thinks they should exist, which tends to not comport with reality at times. But not a bad guy.

 

[bendog]

Simple poll!

What led to creating this thread? Who proposed any prior restraint on speech (beyond Trump publically longing for the power over the tattletale book)

I started arguing with him about it in another thread.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

EXPOSED!!!

BOOM!!!

You keep saying "exposed." I don't understand.
Sure has you excited, though. Did someone untie my robe?

Let's not go there! (-:

 

[TNHarley]

Simple poll!

What led to creating this thread? Who proposed any prior restraint on speech (beyond Trump publically longing for the power over the tattletale book)

Someone said a school should have the right to kick out students for what they say outside of school.

Ah, well schools can do that.

A private school/university can. But that doesnt mean you should support that attack on individualism.

No a public school can fire a person over a private facebook post, unless the speech is explicitly protected. For example a PA law probably exempts people from being fired over race religion gender and possibly sexual preference.

this was about a student.

 

[TNHarley]

You keep saying "exposed." I don't understand.
Sure has you excited, though. Did someone untie my robe?

You have failed the truest test of commitment to free speech.

Only when you are faced with the most abhorrent content will your conviction be properly tested.

You should re-examine your convictions. Are you really a liberal?

I'm an Independent. As with all rights, I believe they come with responsibilities, and one of the responsibilities of the First Amendment right of free speech is to choose our public words wisely in such a way that they do not harm others. Racist speech does untold harm to minorities.
If you want to call me a fascist for that, I'm perfectly alright with it.

People let words hurt them. You are the reason our nation is turning into a big fuckin *****.

 

[TNHarley]

freedom to be a bigot is still freedom... Frankly, the best kind.
We should be able to say whatever in the **** we want without the govt raping us.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

Harley is telling you that my example in post 81 should be protected free speech.

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

Imho, he views things the way he thinks they should exist, which tends to not comport with reality at times. But not a bad guy.

I believe in the COTUS. If you think that document is "old school" then so be it. And go ahead and pick number 2.

 

[OldLady]

freedom to be a bigot is still freedom... Frankly, the best kind.
We should be able to say whatever in the **** we want without the govt raping us.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

Harley is telling you that my example in post 81 should be protected free speech.

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

Imho, he views things the way he thinks they should exist, which tends to not comport with reality at times. But not a bad guy.

I am fully aware of that. Just because his view on this is indefensible doesn't mean I don't think he's a good guy.

 

[OldLady]

You keep saying "exposed." I don't understand.
Sure has you excited, though. Did someone untie my robe?

You have failed the truest test of commitment to free speech.

Only when you are faced with the most abhorrent content will your conviction be properly tested.

You should re-examine your convictions. Are you really a liberal?

I'm an Independent. As with all rights, I believe they come with responsibilities, and one of the responsibilities of the First Amendment right of free speech is to choose our public words wisely in such a way that they do not harm others. Racist speech does untold harm to minorities.
If you want to call me a fascist for that, I'm perfectly alright with it.

People let words hurt them. You are the reason our nation is turning into a big fuckin *****.

Lil ol' me? I KNEW I should have gone with Queen of Sheba.

 

[TNHarley]

You keep saying "exposed." I don't understand.
Sure has you excited, though. Did someone untie my robe?

You have failed the truest test of commitment to free speech.

Only when you are faced with the most abhorrent content will your conviction be properly tested.

You should re-examine your convictions. Are you really a liberal?

I'm an Independent. As with all rights, I believe they come with responsibilities, and one of the responsibilities of the First Amendment right of free speech is to choose our public words wisely in such a way that they do not harm others. Racist speech does untold harm to minorities.
If you want to call me a fascist for that, I'm perfectly alright with it.

People let words hurt them. You are the reason our nation is turning into a big fuckin *****.

Lil ol' me? I KNEW I should have gone with Queen of Sheba.

People like you, yes.
You let emotion dictate policy and now look at what we have..
Rome 2.0

 

[bendog]

freedom to be a bigot is still freedom... Frankly, the best kind.
We should be able to say whatever in the **** we want without the govt raping us.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

Harley is telling you that my example in post 81 should be protected free speech.

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

Imho, he views things the way he thinks they should exist, which tends to not comport with reality at times. But not a bad guy.

I am fully aware of that. Just because his view on this is indefensible doesn't mean I don't think he's a good guy.

Oh no argument. I got into it with TN once, before I figured out his way of viewing things. I just misunderstood the guy. he's hard to follow, imo.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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I believe in the COTUS. If you think that document is "old school" then so be it. And go ahead and pick number 2.

Then you believe that the government should have the power to decide what qualifies as free speech and what doesn't.

 

[Mac1958]

Freedom of expression isn't about speech you like, it's about speech you DON'T like.

Let the crazies have their say, loud and clear and unobstructed. Then shine a light on it.

It's sad that I even have to say this in America, it really is.

 

[bendog]

What led to creating this thread? Who proposed any prior restraint on speech (beyond Trump publically longing for the power over the tattletale book)

Someone said a school should have the right to kick out students for what they say outside of school.

Ah, well schools can do that.

A private school/university can. But that doesnt mean you should support that attack on individualism.

No a public school can fire a person over a private facebook post, unless the speech is explicitly protected. For example a PA law probably exempts people from being fired over race religion gender and possibly sexual preference.

this was about a student.

Ah, students don't have full 1st Amend protection. I had assumed this was about the students who were disciplined over some stupid post showing them in Klan robes or blackface, but no matter. This issue was more in the forefront back during civil rights and Vietnam, when students sought to protest. A post of yours confused me, and I thought you were then talking about an adult.

And most everyone in the country can be fired over social media postings. Frankly even having a facebook page is stupid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

freedom to be a bigot is still freedom... Frankly, the best kind.
We should be able to say whatever in the **** we want without the govt raping us.

No one is getting "raped." Or imprisoned. Say what you want, but if you want to say hateful things about a group of people that disrespects them as human beings, if you do it in a large public forum, you may get some push back. Why must Americans tolerate that kind of speech?

Harley is telling you that my example in post 81 should be protected free speech.

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

You either believe in freedom or you dont.
I dont know why you bedwetters have to complicate such a simple question.
Just pick #2 because you know damn well you only care about freedoms YOU believe in. Just like NY.

I don't believe in the freedom to call in bomb threats. If you pick #1, you do.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So, by choosing #2 we could shut up Oprah, Whoopie, the Obamas, Reverend Al, Jesse, and most of the Democratic Party? Hmmm.

You would need the government behind you to do that.

 

[TNHarley]

Someone said a school should have the right to kick out students for what they say outside of school.

Ah, well schools can do that.

A private school/university can. But that doesnt mean you should support that attack on individualism.

No a public school can fire a person over a private facebook post, unless the speech is explicitly protected. For example a PA law probably exempts people from being fired over race religion gender and possibly sexual preference.

this was about a student.

Ah, students don't have full 1st Amend protection. I had assumed this was about the students who were disciplined over some stupid post showing them in Klan robes or blackface, but no matter. This issue was more in the forefront back during civil rights and Vietnam, when students sought to protest.

So students cant express how they feel? WTF

 

[NYcarbineer]

Simple poll!

What led to creating this thread? Who proposed any prior restraint on speech (beyond Trump publically longing for the power over the tattletale book)

Someone said a school should have the right to kick out students for what they say outside of school.

lol, but you would like the government to have the power to reverse that decision, no?

Nope

You don't believe there should be a 1st Amendment giving the government the power to protect free speech?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Harley is a complete blockhead when it comes to this issue. He and I quibbling about it in another thread this a.m. is what prompted this. But he has such a simplistic view of the whole thing that his poll is as blockheaded as his opinion.
Sorry, TN, but this one is indefensible.

Should some racist idiot have the right to drop the N word, call black people monkeys, and advocate for re-enslaving them? Is that the kind of speech our government should limit?

Looks like yet another USMB thread has been derailed by a poster who wanted to avoid its primary point by putting others on the defensive.

Do you believe racists should have the freedom to say 'anything', or do you believe the government should have some degree of authority to restrict that freedom?

I'm glad you can recognize your behaviors so easily.
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So as usual you can't answer that question.

I'll answer it for you. You choose #2, because I'm sure you would side with the government and your school district (other institution)

if they fired an elementary school teacher for telling his 4th grade class that most of this country's problems come from there being 'too many ******* ******* here' and the Court upheld that firing.

Eh??????

Yes, I believe in freedom of expression, with the smallest number of exceptions possible.

You don't, because you are an illiberal Leftist authoritarian. A Regressive Leftist.

You'll never be able to put me on the defensive on this topic. Ever. Try all you want.
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lol once again you lie about me. Try not lying for a day. If it doesn't kill you, try doing it for 2 days, etc...

 

[Two Thumbs]

Simple poll!

moonglow is the only person on there that I know is a leftist.

that tells me most of the board leftist prefer that there be no First amendment.

• martybegan
• Two Thumbs
• Grampa Murked U
• Moonglow
• TNHarley
• Missouri_Mike
• Billy_Kinetta
• Indeependent
• DarkFury
• andaronjim
• Admiral Rockwell Tory
• MindWars
• Thinker101
• DJT for Life
• Bootney Lee Farnsworth
• flewism
• SSGT Bags
• Barton
  
  

 

[bendog]

Ah, well schools can do that.

A private school/university can. But that doesnt mean you should support that attack on individualism.

No a public school can fire a person over a private facebook post, unless the speech is explicitly protected. For example a PA law probably exempts people from being fired over race religion gender and possibly sexual preference.

this was about a student.

Ah, students don't have full 1st Amend protection. I had assumed this was about the students who were disciplined over some stupid post showing them in Klan robes or blackface, but no matter. This issue was more in the forefront back during civil rights and Vietnam, when students sought to protest.

So students cant express how they feel? WTF

Not if their expression has a negative effect on "the educational environment."