Can democrats have as many black House members as they want? (Poll)

[Nostra]

Memphis is the 2nd largest city in TN. It should have its own House district.

The racists members of the Trump Cuck Party in the state don't want that, because most of the citizens of Memphis are black.

You understand the old Memphis House district has been eliminated by the racists Republicans running TN, correct?

Dimtard old white racist being replaced by a black woman.

And this idiot is crying racism.

They don’t get any dumber than this one, folks.

 

[Care4all]

A very theoretical argument. I don't think the Constitution describes how districts are to be drawn. The courts allow gerrymandering so it must be legal. Massachusetts is 45% Republican with zero republican representatives,

Only 8.4% of Massachusetts voters are registered Republicans....34% if you include independents that lean right.

my husband and my next door neighbor Jim when living in Massachusetts were registered republican but both had Democratic registered spouses. And all other neighbors were democratic party members.

No, it's not gerrymandered. There is no way to make a republican district because Republicans are so spread out among all the districts .....

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In Massachusetts, the all-Democratic delegation is primarily due to geographic distribution rather than gerrymandering.
While the state is roughly 35% Republican/conservative-leaning in major elections, those voters are spread out relatively evenly across the state. In a "winner-take-all" system, if a party has 35% of the vote in every district, they will lose 100% of the seats.
Key Factors:
Political Geography: Republicans are not concentrated enough in any one area to form a majority. Even in the most "red" parts of the state (like the South Coast or Central Mass), they are still outnumbered by Democrats and liberal-leaning Independents.
Failed Experiments: Independent analysts and the New York Times have tried to "computer-draw" a Republican district in Massachusetts. They found it almost impossible to do so without creating a bizarre, non-compact "snake" district that would likely be struck down for violating other redistricting rules.
Bipartisan Approval: The most recent maps (2021) were signed by a Republican Governor (Charlie Baker) and supported by the majority of Republicans in the state legislature.
The "Efficiency Gap": Because Democrats are so dominant, they actually "waste" a huge number of votes in Massachusetts. Even if you shifted the lines significantly, the state is so blue that a Republican candidate would still struggle to cross the 50% threshold in any compact district.
Summary: It isn't that the lines are "rigged"—it's that there are simply fewer Republicans in every corner of the state than there are Democrats and left-leaning independents.

 

[Care4all]

If that is true the courts wouldn't allow it. Show me where the Constitution prohibits redistricting between censuses.

A very theoretical argument. I don't think the Constitution describes how districts are to be drawn. The courts allow gerrymandering so it must be legal. Massachusetts is 45% Republican with zero republican representatives, Republicans are just catching up to CA, NY, IL, and the NE states. It is simply the "new normal".

Our votes mean everything, the winners gets to gerrymander, the losers don't.

The supreme court did not rule Gerrymandering was constitutional or unconstitutional.

They ruled that the Supreme court has no say, the federal govt has no say, it has to be decided by the State Supreme Court on disputes....

 

[80zephyr]

Memphis is the 2nd largest city in TN. It should have its own House district.

The racists members of the Trump Cuck Party in the state don't want that, because most of the citizens of Memphis are black.

You understand the old Memphis House district has been eliminated by the racists Republicans running TN, correct?

Why? What does the color of skin have to do with it? If a district is 40% Asian, they are a minority and thus they are never represented?

 

[80zephyr]

Republicans draw the districts when in majority, and now, not just as the constitution states at every 10 year census, but whenever the hell the republicans want to give themselves more power and seats in between censuses.

This is NOT GOOD for our democratic republic and ourselves and our constitutional right to govern ourselves through representation, when our votes mean nothing via those in power's craft, whether democrats do it or republicans do it.

The Dems have been doing it for years, the GOP is just learning from them.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, only 435!

 

[kyzr]

Only 8.4% of Massachusetts voters are registered Republicans....34% if you include independents that lean right.
my husband and my next door neighbor Jim when living in Massachusetts were registered republican but both had Democratic registered spouses. And all other neighbors were democratic party members.
No, it's not gerrymandered. There is no way to make a republican district because Republicans are so spread out among all the districts .....
_____________

In Massachusetts, the all-Democratic delegation is primarily due to geographic distribution rather than gerrymandering.
While the state is roughly 35% Republican/conservative-leaning in major elections, those voters are spread out relatively evenly across the state. In a "winner-take-all" system, if a party has 35% of the vote in every district, they will lose 100% of the seats.
Key Factors:
Political Geography: Republicans are not concentrated enough in any one area to form a majority. Even in the most "red" parts of the state (like the South Coast or Central Mass), they are still outnumbered by Democrats and liberal-leaning Independents.
Failed Experiments: Independent analysts and the New York Times have tried to "computer-draw" a Republican district in Massachusetts. They found it almost impossible to do so without creating a bizarre, non-compact "snake" district that would likely be struck down for violating other redistricting rules.
Bipartisan Approval: The most recent maps (2021) were signed by a Republican Governor (Charlie Baker) and supported by the majority of Republicans in the state legislature.
The "Efficiency Gap": Because Democrats are so dominant, they actually "waste" a huge number of votes in Massachusetts. Even if you shifted the lines significantly, the state is so blue that a Republican candidate would still struggle to cross the 50% threshold in any compact district.
Summary: It isn't that the lines are "rigged"—it's that there are simply fewer Republicans in every corner of the state than there are Democrats and left-leaning independents.

Thanks for that. I tried to get copilot to breakout the 3 districts with the highest percentage of Republicans, but it couldn't do it. Something about "unenrolled voters"??? Anyway, in 2024 36% voted for Trump, they probably were rural. Could the GOP cobble together a majority Republican district, i.e. un-gerrymander a district or two of the 9? Not likely.

Massachusetts Political Map – Democrat & Republican Areas in Massachusetts | BestNeighborhood.org

bestneighborhood.org

 

[Alicia J]

Legal gerrymandering says that is not the case.

Race has nothing to do with it.
Look at who the congressman is for Memphis today. He is NOT BLACK so your whining is misdirected. You should be yelling at democrats who put Steve Cohen in instead of a black person. Do you see my point? You are NOT losing a black member of Congress from Memphis. Its a republican v democrat issue, not a race issue.

Race has everything to do with it. Otherwise, there would be no reason to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN.

Explain to me the logic of breaking up a district that includes all of Memphis. A large city that should have its own district. Just explain it.

It is a republican vs democrat issue...so why do you racists want to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN? Because you want to eliminate all southern black people from Congress, that's why.

You want a "legitimate" reason to be a racist. Like all MAGAs do. Unfortunately for you, there is no legitimate reason to be a racist and there never will be.

 

[Alicia J]

most of the citizens of Memphis are black.

And they can still vote.

There is no reason to break up a House district that covers the entirety of the 2nd largest city in TN.

The only reason is that racist Republicans don't want black Southerners in Congress.

 

[Alicia J]

Dimtard old white racist being replaced by a black woman.

And this idiot is crying racism.

They don’t get any dumber than this one, folks.

You're an obvious racist. Which is why you lick Trump's balls every day.

 

[Alicia J]

Why? What does the color of skin have to do with it? If a district is 40% Asian, they are a minority and thus they are never represented?

Why break up Memphis into 3 or 4 separate districts, then? If race has nothing to do with it?

It's obvious racist members of the Trump Cuck Party want no black Southern members of Congress.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Race has everything to do with it. Otherwise, there would be no reason to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN.

Explain to me the logic of breaking up a district that includes all of Memphis. A large city that should have its own district. Just explain it.

It is a republican vs democrat issue...so why do you racists want to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN? Because you want to eliminate all southern black people from Congress, that's why.

You want a "legitimate" reason to be a racist. Like all MAGAs do. Unfortunately for you, there is no legitimate reason to be a racist and there never will be.

Race has everything to do with it. Otherwise, there would be no reason to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN.

Yes, race had everything to do with the unconstitutional creation of that district.

Explain to me the logic of breaking up a district that includes all of Memphis. A large city that should have its own district.

Or it could be broken up into 2 or 3 or more districts.

It is a republican vs democrat issue...so why do you racists want to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN?

Because the racist creation of that district was unconstitutional.

Because you want to eliminate all southern black people from Congress, that's why.

Because they want to eliminate all democrats from Congress, that's why.
Not because the white guy representing Memphis is black. Because he's white.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no reason to break up a House district that covers the entirety of the 2nd largest city in TN.

The only reason is that racist Republicans don't want black Southerners in Congress.

There were no black congressmen or congresswomen in Tennessee before the ruling.

 

[Alicia J]

There were no black congressmen or congresswomen in Tennessee before the ruling.

And there never will be now. That will be true of every racist Southern state.

**** the Confederacy.

 

[Alicia J]

Race has everything to do with it. Otherwise, there would be no reason to break up a district that covers the 2nd largest city in TN.

Yes, race had everything to do with the unconstitutional creation of that district.

What's unconstitutional about having a House district cover the 2nd largest city in a state? Nothing.

You're just a racist.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What's unconstitutional about having a House district cover the 2nd largest city in a state? Nothing.

You're just a racist.

What's unconstitutional about having a House district cover the 2nd largest city in a state?

Exactly. Having such a house district does not violate the constitution.
Drawing a house district based on race does violate the constitution.

You're just a racist.

You're just a moron.

 

[Alicia J]

What's unconstitutional about having a House district cover the 2nd largest city in a state?

Exactly. Having such a house district does not violate the constitution.
Drawing a house district based on race does violate the constitution.

It's based on a densely populated large city, as it should be. The new map proposed by the racist Trump Cuck Party does violate the Constitution.

 

[Care4all]

The Dems have been doing it for years, the GOP is just learning from them.

Yes, the democrats did do so in a big way from what I've read about it, decades ago before computers....and this was before the ability of data capabilities to pin point a voter down to the house and use algorithms and computers to calculate and then draw itself, a district meeting your goals, in a precise manner.

Yesteryear politicians used a 'best guess' method with manual information they had available which was often not detailed enough to make an assured district without some flaws.

Now, it's simply the politicians using a computer to guarantee themselves with perfection their own reelection of their seats, and a guarantee that their party will stay in power, without the first vote cast. It's not we the people being fairly represented imo.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It's based on a densely populated large city, as it should be. The new map proposed by the racist Trump Cuck Party does violate the Constitution.

Densely populated large cities don't need to be the entirety of a congressional district.

 

[Alicia J]

Densely populated large cities don't need to be the entirety of a congressional district.

Yet it is highly logical for a densely populated area to be a small congressional district.

Congressional districts don't need to be spread out from Memphis to 200 miles eastward across a straight, either. Which is even more laughable. Which is what the racists in the TN Trump Cuck Party have done.

You're a joke.

New racist TN Congressional map that spreads Memphis among 3 districts 200 miles eastward.--