This may be problematic for Kash Patel

[Lesh]

Did biden break the law by taking them? Yes

You think top secret documents just "accidently" showed up at 2 or 3 different biden properties?

None of what he had, was he authorized to have.

And no, biden didn't comply willingly, if he had those boxes would have been returned 30 years prior.

It blew up under trump, and biden had an "oh shit " moment, and had his lawyers scour through thr boxes before letting the FBI come and get them.


You all expect us to believe these separate but related incidents are all just coincidence?

The law requires intent. Missing with Biden. All over the place with Tramp.

Not that it actually makes a difference to you. You’re just making excuses

 

[ThisIsMe]

It's called hypocrisy.



I'm not a lefty, I was a proud Republican for decades. Now I'm a GOP anti-Trumper.

There is a difference.

WW

It's not hypocrisy. If it were I'd say that pence didn't do anything wrong. I'm not saying that

Great, you can be an anti Trumper, but you appear to be pro democrat. It's one thing to hate trump, it's another to ignore and defend leftys who do the se things.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The law requires intent. Missing with Biden. All over the place with Tramp.

Not that it actually makes a difference to you. You’re just making excuses

Lol, for one, no, it doesn't require intent and 2, biden knew taking those documents and keeping them for 30 years was wrong.


YOU are the one making excuses. I'll tell you, if trump committed crimes, then go after him, you all are defending biden with everything you have.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The law requires intent. Missing with Biden. All over the place with Tramp.

Not that it actually makes a difference to you. You’re just making excuses

That's what they don't get about Pence, Biden, and Trump.

#1 The law required "willful" intent to take classified documents. Since Pence, Biden and Trumps materials were packed by others, the ability to directly prove willful intent is about non-existent. Which is Trump wasn't charged with taking the documents, same applies to Pence and Biden.

#2 Trump was charged with willful intent to not return national defense information (classified documents) to authorized Officers of the United States Government (including officers of the NARA, the FBI, and failing to comply with a Federal subpoena).

The refuse to recognize the difference.

WW

 

[marvin martian]

Prosecutors focus on Trump declassification claims in Kash Patel testimony: report​

Federal prosecutors questioned former Trump aide Kash Patel on Thursday about his previous claims that former President Trump had declassified documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago, The Washington Post reported.

Patel appeared for the second time in a month before a federal grand jury investigating Trump’s handling of classified documents after the Department of Justice agreed on Wednesday to grant him immunity for any information he provided.

The former Trump aide was also asked about how and why the former president took classified records with him to Mar-a-Lago, according to the Post.

Patel previously said in media interviews that he had witnessed Trump issue declassification orders near the end of his presidency, particularly on the FBI’s investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3719372-prosecutors-focus-on-trump-declassification-claims-in-kash-patel-testimony-report/

Patel’s grand jury appearance was his second in less than a month. At his first appearance in October, he asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation. Prosecutors argued he was not in legal jeopardy and therefore could not take the Fifth, but a federal judge disagreed with the government.
Prosecutors ultimately decided to grant Patel limited-use immunity, the people familiar with the matter said, meaning he could not be charged for a crime based on what he said in the grand jury, as long as he didn’t lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/03/kash-patel-grand-jury-trump/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert

The problem for Kash (beyond his taking the 5th to protect himself from self incrimination, not a good look for the head of the FBI) is Jack Smith's indictment of Dotard and his co-defendants state trump in fact did not declassify the docs he stole.

Paradoxically, if Kash was telling the truth..........which he isn't.........it would mean trump declassified highly sensitive docs so he could........what........show them off to guests at MAL? Nah, he'd never do that.

Former press secretary says Trump showed classified documents to people on Mar-a-Lago dining patio​

Former press secretary says Trump showed classified documents to people on Mar-a-Lago dining patio

Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Saturday that she saw former President Trump show classified documents to people at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida. “I watched him sho…

thehill.com

^^^This is another one that's going to age like milk.

 

[Lesh]

^^^This is another one that's going to age like milk.

Why?

 

[BackAgain]

Their judgment has already proven to be in error.

False. Your opinion is ignorant and it doesn’t qualify as factual.

 

[berg80]

FBI director nominee Kash Patel paid by Russian filmmaker close to Kremlin: Report​

President Donald Trump’s nominee to be FBI Director, Kash Patel, was paid $25,000 by a Russian filmmaker with connections to the Kremlin, The Washington Post reports.

Documents obtained by the paper reveal that Patel was paid by Global Tree Pictures, a film company owned by Igor Lopatonok, a Russian national who also holds U.S. citizenship.

Lopatanok has produced shows pushing U.S. “deep state” conspiracy theories and views skeptical of the West, which are also relentlessly promoted by the Kremlin, a financial disclosure form submitted by Patel as part of his confirmation process revealed.

Kash Patel paid by Russian filmmaker close to Kremlin: Report

Patel took part in a documentary portraying the FBI director nominee and other former Trump officials as victims of a conspiracy

www.the-independent.com

Pretty cut and dry, right? The FBI director nominee took money from a Russian propagandist to be in one of his productions. The one Patel was paid for was an anti-FBI propaganda film. Aside from all the other disqualifying things attributed to Kash can Repub senators look past this one too? We'll find out next week.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Prosecutors focus on Trump declassification claims in Kash Patel testimony: report​

Federal prosecutors questioned former Trump aide Kash Patel on Thursday about his previous claims that former President Trump had declassified documents recovered from Mar-a-Lago, The Washington Post reported.

Patel appeared for the second time in a month before a federal grand jury investigating Trump’s handling of classified documents after the Department of Justice agreed on Wednesday to grant him immunity for any information he provided.

The former Trump aide was also asked about how and why the former president took classified records with him to Mar-a-Lago, according to the Post.

Patel previously said in media interviews that he had witnessed Trump issue declassification orders near the end of his presidency, particularly on the FBI’s investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3719372-prosecutors-focus-on-trump-declassification-claims-in-kash-patel-testimony-report/

Patel’s grand jury appearance was his second in less than a month. At his first appearance in October, he asserted his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation. Prosecutors argued he was not in legal jeopardy and therefore could not take the Fifth, but a federal judge disagreed with the government.
Prosecutors ultimately decided to grant Patel limited-use immunity, the people familiar with the matter said, meaning he could not be charged for a crime based on what he said in the grand jury, as long as he didn’t lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/03/kash-patel-grand-jury-trump/?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wp_news_alert_revere&location=alert

The problem for Kash (beyond his taking the 5th to protect himself from self incrimination, not a good look for the head of the FBI) is Jack Smith's indictment of Dotard and his co-defendants state trump in fact did not declassify the docs he stole.

Paradoxically, if Kash was telling the truth..........which he isn't.........it would mean trump declassified highly sensitive docs so he could........what........show them off to guests at MAL? Nah, he'd never do that.

Former press secretary says Trump showed classified documents to people on Mar-a-Lago dining patio​

Former press secretary says Trump showed classified documents to people on Mar-a-Lago dining patio

Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said Saturday that she saw former President Trump show classified documents to people at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida. “I watched him sho…

thehill.com

/---/ democRATs are desperate to keep Patel out of the FBI.

 

[kyzr]

That's what they don't get about Pence, Biden, and Trump.
#1 The law required "willful" intent to take classified documents. Since Pence, Biden and Trumps materials were packed by others, the ability to directly prove willful intent is about non-existent. Which is Trump wasn't charged with taking the documents, same applies to Pence and Biden.

#2 Trump was charged with willful intent to not return national defense information (classified documents) to authorized Officers of the United States Government (including officers of the NARA, the FBI, and failing to comply with a Federal subpoena).

They refuse to recognize the difference. WW

1. AG Barr said that Trump has his tit in the wringer with the classified documents case. But that was before the immunity decision.

2. You may not have heard this one, but Trump is demanding his documents back.

 

[berg80]

/---/ democRATs are desperate to keep Patel out of the FBI.

Interesting reply. Does it mean you don't have a problem with the FBI director being paid to participate in anti-FBI Russian propaganda?

 

[berg80]

1. AG Barr said that Trump has his tit in the wringer with the classified documents case. But that was before the immunity decision.

2. You may not have heard this one, but Trump is demanding his documents back.

Not his documents. The government's documents. Although it appears trump thinks he is the government. He's not.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. AG Barr said that Trump has his tit in the wringer with the classified documents case. But that was before the immunity decision.

Trump was a private citizen when he committed Espionage. Presidential immunity didn't apply.

2. You may not have heard this one, but Trump is demanding his documents back.

Governemnt classified documents are not "his documents".

WW

 

[berg80]

Still waiting for a trumple to comment on Cash, sorry Kash, taking money from a Russian propagandist.

 

[justoffal]

So what's the problem?

There isn't any. But it's fun to pretend!

 

[kyzr]

Trump was a private citizen when he committed Espionage. Presidential immunity didn't apply.

Government classified documents are not "his documents". WW

Step-1 he declassifies his documents
Step-2 he fires the Presidential Archive folks and replaces them.
Step-3 he demands his documents back.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Step-1 he declassifies his documents
Step-2 he fires the Presidential Archive folks and replaces them.
Step-3 he demands his documents back.

Declassifying them now that he’s back in office doesn’t change them from being US government property.

Presidential Records by law are government property.

WW

 

[kyzr]

Declassifying them now that he’s back in office doesn’t change them from being US government property.

Presidential Records by law are government property. WW

OK, then they should give him copies. Who is going to tell him no?

 

[WorldWatcher]

OK, then they should give him copies. Who is going to tell him no?

I have no problem with him getting copies of Presidential Records.

All he has to do was turn over the originals to the National Archivist then get copies.

He can even request that the current President declassify classified documents. But then the decision is up to the current President, not the civilian former President.

WW

 

[Billiejeens]

Their judgment has already proven to be in error.

You mean spectacular.