Where is this mountain of evidence for evolution?

[Steven_R]

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

 

[eots]

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

god

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

creation-god is one expressing itself in a multitude or infinite number of ways

 

[orogenicman]

Antibiotic resistance

so the short answer is never..the bacteria remains a bacteria

Brilliant. But irrelevant.

Hardly. Eots is right on the mark here but your pride simply refuses to admit the possibility that you are wrong.

On the mark? The principles of evolution have allowed us to not only discover the agents of disease, but have allowed us to discover antibiotics, and how the resistance to them works so we can develop better treatments. You don't have to believe it. You can just thank all those tireless lab workers who are trying to make your life better. So no he is not only not on the mark, he is flat out wrong.

That was not the work of ..The principles of evolution

Absolutely, it is. If you claim that it isn't, show us that you know what you are talking about. Demonstrate that your claim has scientific validity.

 

[orogenicman]

No, he is not wrong. And neither was Dr. Kent Hovind wrong which was proven when he defeated the evolution promoters at university after university. Perhaps that is why the Govt. trumped up charges against him and put him in prison for the past 99 months and counting - for depositing 9600 dollars into his own bank account. Utterly ridiculous. You people cannot debate the facts and win so you put those who present them best behind bars. What weakness!

Ken Hovind? Bhwhahahahahaha! You realize, of course, that he is serving a ten-year prison sentence after being convicted in federal court of 58 counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions. In a separate federal court case in early 2015, Hovind was found guilty of contempt of court. That you would even bring up his name in these discussions demonstrates how utterly corrupt and bankrupt your arguments are.

 

[Uncensored2008]

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

DNA is an assumption? Fossils you can put your hands on are "assumptions?" Observations of actual changes in in specimens is "assumption?"

Evolution is verified fact. There is no debate among rational people. Just like electricity, we know it well.

 

[eots]

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

god

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

creation-god is one expressing itself in a multitude or infinite number of ways

No, he is not wrong. And neither was Dr. Kent Hovind wrong which was proven when he defeated the evolution promoters at university after university. Perhaps that is why the Govt. trumped up charges against him and put him in prison for the past 99 months and counting - for depositing 9600 dollars into his own bank account. Utterly ridiculous. You people cannot debate the facts and win so you put those who present them best behind bars. What weakness!

Ken Hovind? Bhwhahahahahaha! You realize, of course, that he is serving a ten-year prison sentence after being convicted in federal court of 58 counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions. In a separate federal court case in early 2015, Hovind was found guilty of contempt of court. That you would even bring up his name in these discussions demonstrates how utterly corrupt and bankrupt your arguments are.

taxes are not relevant to what is presented in the video I have not doubt I could find a small army of evolutionist guilty of all sorts of terrible crimes far worse than tax crimes

 

[eots]

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

DNA is an assumption? Fossils you can put your hands on are "assumptions?" Observations of actual changes in in specimens is "assumption?"

Evolution is verified fact. There is no debate among rational people. Just like electricity, we know it well.

no..nothing like electricity

 

[S.J.]

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

But we have living fossils like you to point to.

Thanks for confirming what I said about the lack of substance in your argument.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

What I don't understand, is why some think evolution is an affront to faith. Just say that god used evolution to create everything - problem solved.

In the dark ages they burned people who harnessed electricity as witches - an unseen force had to be of the devil. Eventually, Christians accepted electricity. They can accept evolution too.

 

[S.J.]

WTF?

Atheists have NEVER used the argument "I dont understand it, so Gawd did it" ever. That is your argument, Mr. Wrong.

You're not too bright, are you? The "argument" he is referring to is that you assign that quote to Christians and Christians don't say that. That false accusation is your argument. Now do you understand?

I know you think that you understood what you thought I said, but I don't think you realize that what I said isn't what I meant.

What I meant was that atheists use that argument against Christians. In other words, they claim that Christians don't understand evolution, so God must have done it. Get it now?

No, Mr. Wrong. Atheists aren't saying that Christians don't understand evolution because there are plenty of Christians who do. They are saying that creationists and intelligent design supporters don't understand it or are willfully ignorant of it or willfully misrepresent it. What you people are insisting on, particularly intelligent design people, is that life is too complex to have come about randomly (randomness being a mislabel of what evolutions says) and must have had a designer. Creationists simply say god did it regardless (in 7 days of all crazy things), but intelligent design hides god behind some undefined "designer" because they believe that in doing so they can get it taught in our public schools. And sorry, but that is never going to happen. It is the god of the gaps argument.

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

Actually, the first thing you zealots want is an opportunity to force your religious beliefs into the public schools. The entire false and contrived "teach the controversy" nonsense is being furthered by fundamentalist Christian creation ministries.

Sorry to disappoint you but human ancestry does derive from a version of the "apes" you describe although your understanding of our biological history is as ignorant and useless as the typical zealot.

You can't prove that ridiculous claim and you call me the zealot? And no, Christians don't want ANY religion taught in school, including the religion of evolution. You are NOT our children's parents.

 

[orogenicman]

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

god

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

creation-god is one expressing itself in a multitude or infinite number of ways

No, he is not wrong. And neither was Dr. Kent Hovind wrong which was proven when he defeated the evolution promoters at university after university. Perhaps that is why the Govt. trumped up charges against him and put him in prison for the past 99 months and counting - for depositing 9600 dollars into his own bank account. Utterly ridiculous. You people cannot debate the facts and win so you put those who present them best behind bars. What weakness!

Ken Hovind? Bhwhahahahahaha! You realize, of course, that he is serving a ten-year prison sentence after being convicted in federal court of 58 counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions. In a separate federal court case in early 2015, Hovind was found guilty of contempt of court. That you would even bring up his name in these discussions demonstrates how utterly corrupt and bankrupt your arguments are.

taxes are not relevant to what is presented in the video I have not doubt I could find a small army of evolutionist guilty of all sorts of terrible crimes far worse than tax crimes

His credibility as an honest human being IS relevant. Moreover:

Kent Hovind - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In 1971, he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois, and later received 4 degrees from unaccredited institutions.

Patriot University
From 1972 to 1974, Hovind attended the non-accredited Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education.[1] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind received a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the non-accredited Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[notes 1][7] Having a website called "Dr. Dino" has provoked some academics to look closely at how Hovind presents his education and credentials. Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of academic training makes it impossible to engage him on a professional level.[8]

Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, having unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme.[9][10] The school's current policies allow students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, and Doctor of Ministry degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $37 per credit.[11][12]

Karen Bartelt, an organic chemistry professor who debated Hovind,[8] stated that his doctoral dissertation is evidence of the poor requirements at Patriot and that Hovind lacks knowledge of basic science. She noted that Hovind's dissertation is incomplete,[notes 2] of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.[13]

In 2010, Patriot responded to Wikileaks' claim to have revealed Hovind's dissertation, writing that the Wikileaks file was not the "finished" product, but that they would not release the full dissertation,[14] which is unusual among academic institutions. As a general rule, doctoral dissertations are published by the associated university and made available to the public, so that other students conducting research may reference them.[13]

The man is a criminal and a fraud, and you apparently think he is some kind of creationist hero. So what does that say about you?

 

[Uncensored2008]

no..nothing like electricity

There was HUGE resistance to electricity - it was the power of the devil. The same attitude is present regarding evolution, and in time, it will be viewed as just as nutty.

Evolution is fact, there is no question, no doubt or debate. Some mechanisms are not fully understood, but evolution simply is.

 

[orogenicman]

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

But we have living fossils like you to point to.

Thanks for confirming what I said about the lack of substance in your argument.

Really, because I am published in the Journal of Invertebrate Paleontology, and have found many of those fossils you claim lack substance:

CRINOIDS FROM THE MULDRAUGH MEMBER OF THE BORDEN FORMATION IN NORTH-CENTRAL KENTUCKY ECHINODERMATA LOWER MISSISSIPPIAN

And your scientific training, expertize and experience is what, exactly?

 

[Hollie]

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

god

So you admit that there is no factual evidence. I accept your surrender.

By "no factual evidence," you mean "overwhelming and irrefutable evidence," then?

Evolution is a fact - there is no debate.

its all assumption..it could all be evidence of a common creator using the same source material

So God can't be bothered to come up with new ideas for each and every organism and instead just relies on variations on a theme? Is God just lazy, unimaginative, or what?

creation-god is one expressing itself in a multitude or infinite number of ways

"creation-god is one expressing itself in a multitude or infinite number of ways" ...because I say so.

There. Fixed that for you.

 

[orogenicman]

You're not too bright, are you? The "argument" he is referring to is that you assign that quote to Christians and Christians don't say that. That false accusation is your argument. Now do you understand?

I know you think that you understood what you thought I said, but I don't think you realize that what I said isn't what I meant.

What I meant was that atheists use that argument against Christians. In other words, they claim that Christians don't understand evolution, so God must have done it. Get it now?

No, Mr. Wrong. Atheists aren't saying that Christians don't understand evolution because there are plenty of Christians who do. They are saying that creationists and intelligent design supporters don't understand it or are willfully ignorant of it or willfully misrepresent it. What you people are insisting on, particularly intelligent design people, is that life is too complex to have come about randomly (randomness being a mislabel of what evolutions says) and must have had a designer. Creationists simply say god did it regardless (in 7 days of all crazy things), but intelligent design hides god behind some undefined "designer" because they believe that in doing so they can get it taught in our public schools. And sorry, but that is never going to happen. It is the god of the gaps argument.

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

Actually, the first thing you zealots want is an opportunity to force your religious beliefs into the public schools. The entire false and contrived "teach the controversy" nonsense is being furthered by fundamentalist Christian creation ministries.

Sorry to disappoint you but human ancestry does derive from a version of the "apes" you describe although your understanding of our biological history is as ignorant and useless as the typical zealot.

You can't prove that ridiculous claim and you call me the zealot? And no, Christians don't want ANY religion taught in school, including the religion of evolution. You are NOT our children's parents.

Yes we can demonstrate the claim exactly through genetics, fossils, anatomy, morphology, physiology, and cladistics. And your claim that it isn't true is via what evidence, exactly? Please be specific.

 

[S.J.]

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

But we have living fossils like you to point to.

Thanks for confirming what I said about the lack of substance in your argument.

Really, because I am published in the Journal of Invertebrate Paleontology, and have found many of those fossils you claim lack substance:

CRINOIDS FROM THE MULDRAUGH MEMBER OF THE BORDEN FORMATION IN NORTH-CENTRAL KENTUCKY ECHINODERMATA LOWER MISSISSIPPIAN

And your scientific training, expertize and experience is what, exactly?

You've proven nothing.

 

[S.J.]

I know you think that you understood what you thought I said, but I don't think you realize that what I said isn't what I meant.

What I meant was that atheists use that argument against Christians. In other words, they claim that Christians don't understand evolution, so God must have done it. Get it now?

No, Mr. Wrong. Atheists aren't saying that Christians don't understand evolution because there are plenty of Christians who do. They are saying that creationists and intelligent design supporters don't understand it or are willfully ignorant of it or willfully misrepresent it. What you people are insisting on, particularly intelligent design people, is that life is too complex to have come about randomly (randomness being a mislabel of what evolutions says) and must have had a designer. Creationists simply say god did it regardless (in 7 days of all crazy things), but intelligent design hides god behind some undefined "designer" because they believe that in doing so they can get it taught in our public schools. And sorry, but that is never going to happen. It is the god of the gaps argument.

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

Actually, the first thing you zealots want is an opportunity to force your religious beliefs into the public schools. The entire false and contrived "teach the controversy" nonsense is being furthered by fundamentalist Christian creation ministries.

Sorry to disappoint you but human ancestry does derive from a version of the "apes" you describe although your understanding of our biological history is as ignorant and useless as the typical zealot.

You can't prove that ridiculous claim and you call me the zealot? And no, Christians don't want ANY religion taught in school, including the religion of evolution. You are NOT our children's parents.

Yes we can demonstrate the claim exactly through genetics, fossils, anatomy, morphology, physiology, and cladistics. And your claim that it isn't true is via what evidence, exactly? Please be specific.

I don't have to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right, and on that you fail miserably.

 

[Hollie]

You're not too bright, are you? The "argument" he is referring to is that you assign that quote to Christians and Christians don't say that. That false accusation is your argument. Now do you understand?

I know you think that you understood what you thought I said, but I don't think you realize that what I said isn't what I meant.

What I meant was that atheists use that argument against Christians. In other words, they claim that Christians don't understand evolution, so God must have done it. Get it now?

No, Mr. Wrong. Atheists aren't saying that Christians don't understand evolution because there are plenty of Christians who do. They are saying that creationists and intelligent design supporters don't understand it or are willfully ignorant of it or willfully misrepresent it. What you people are insisting on, particularly intelligent design people, is that life is too complex to have come about randomly (randomness being a mislabel of what evolutions says) and must have had a designer. Creationists simply say god did it regardless (in 7 days of all crazy things), but intelligent design hides god behind some undefined "designer" because they believe that in doing so they can get it taught in our public schools. And sorry, but that is never going to happen. It is the god of the gaps argument.

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

Actually, the first thing you zealots want is an opportunity to force your religious beliefs into the public schools. The entire false and contrived "teach the controversy" nonsense is being furthered by fundamentalist Christian creation ministries.

Sorry to disappoint you but human ancestry does derive from a version of the "apes" you describe although your understanding of our biological history is as ignorant and useless as the typical zealot.

You can't prove that ridiculous claim and you call me the zealot? And no, Christians don't want ANY religion taught in school, including the religion of evolution. You are NOT our children's parents.

You're not too bright, are you? The "argument" he is referring to is that you assign that quote to Christians and Christians don't say that. That false accusation is your argument. Now do you understand?

I know you think that you understood what you thought I said, but I don't think you realize that what I said isn't what I meant.

What I meant was that atheists use that argument against Christians. In other words, they claim that Christians don't understand evolution, so God must have done it. Get it now?

No, Mr. Wrong. Atheists aren't saying that Christians don't understand evolution because there are plenty of Christians who do. They are saying that creationists and intelligent design supporters don't understand it or are willfully ignorant of it or willfully misrepresent it. What you people are insisting on, particularly intelligent design people, is that life is too complex to have come about randomly (randomness being a mislabel of what evolutions says) and must have had a designer. Creationists simply say god did it regardless (in 7 days of all crazy things), but intelligent design hides god behind some undefined "designer" because they believe that in doing so they can get it taught in our public schools. And sorry, but that is never going to happen. It is the god of the gaps argument.

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

Actually, the first thing you zealots want is an opportunity to force your religious beliefs into the public schools. The entire false and contrived "teach the controversy" nonsense is being furthered by fundamentalist Christian creation ministries.

Sorry to disappoint you but human ancestry does derive from a version of the "apes" you describe although your understanding of our biological history is as ignorant and useless as the typical zealot.

You can't prove that ridiculous claim and you call me the zealot? And no, Christians don't want ANY religion taught in school, including the religion of evolution. You are NOT our children's parents.

That simply isn't true. The industry of extremist Christians is defined by earlier attempts made by "creationists" to force Christian creationism into the schools. They made no effort to conceal the agenda of promoting Biblical literalism. Those efforts were originally titled as "Biblical Creationism" with great candor. Faced with the correct legal conclusions that it was merely religion, they retreated and renamed it "Scientific Creationism," making a half hearted attempt to edit out explicit Biblical references... but that fooled no one. When that met an equally unambiguous decision in the courts, the new version became "Intelligent Design Creationism." In the process, the Christian creationist movement has become progressively less candid, more angry, more extremist and frankly more pathetic.

 

[orogenicman]

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

But we have living fossils like you to point to.

Thanks for confirming what I said about the lack of substance in your argument.

Really, because I am published in the Journal of Invertebrate Paleontology, and have found many of those fossils you claim lack substance:

CRINOIDS FROM THE MULDRAUGH MEMBER OF THE BORDEN FORMATION IN NORTH-CENTRAL KENTUCKY ECHINODERMATA LOWER MISSISSIPPIAN

And your scientific training, expertize and experience is what, exactly?

You've proven nothing.

I've proven that you have no expertize whatsoever on the subject.

 

[Hollie]

No, Mr. Wrong. Atheists aren't saying that Christians don't understand evolution because there are plenty of Christians who do. They are saying that creationists and intelligent design supporters don't understand it or are willfully ignorant of it or willfully misrepresent it. What you people are insisting on, particularly intelligent design people, is that life is too complex to have come about randomly (randomness being a mislabel of what evolutions says) and must have had a designer. Creationists simply say god did it regardless (in 7 days of all crazy things), but intelligent design hides god behind some undefined "designer" because they believe that in doing so they can get it taught in our public schools. And sorry, but that is never going to happen. It is the god of the gaps argument.

Wrong, idiot. The last thing Christians want is for some fucking atheist liberal teaching our kids about God. Neither do we want you fucktards teaching our kids that our ancestors were apes. Comprende, asshole?

Actually, the first thing you zealots want is an opportunity to force your religious beliefs into the public schools. The entire false and contrived "teach the controversy" nonsense is being furthered by fundamentalist Christian creation ministries.

Sorry to disappoint you but human ancestry does derive from a version of the "apes" you describe although your understanding of our biological history is as ignorant and useless as the typical zealot.

You can't prove that ridiculous claim and you call me the zealot? And no, Christians don't want ANY religion taught in school, including the religion of evolution. You are NOT our children's parents.

Yes we can demonstrate the claim exactly through genetics, fossils, anatomy, morphology, physiology, and cladistics. And your claim that it isn't true is via what evidence, exactly? Please be specific.

I don't have to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right, and on that you fail miserably.

Your denial of the many sciences that contribute to the facts of evolution entitles you to wear the badge of religious extremist.

Revel in your ignorance. Your YEC'ist beliefs will get you a reduced rate for joining the Flat Earth Society.