Old Rocks
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Where is the climate emergency?
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You think "climate Change" is about a tornado that occurred in Kansas in 1920?Watts Up With That?
Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
April, 2021
Excerpt:
I listed some of the following in my previous post, and a commenter said they were important enough to deserve a post on their own … I agree.
Despite my asking over and over in a host of forums, to date nobody has been able to tell me just what this supposed “CLIMATE EMERGENCY!!” actually is and where I might find evidence that it exists. Here are some facts for the folks that think that the climate is a real danger to humanity.
Deaths from climate-related phenomena are at an all-time low. If you think deaths from climate-related catastrophes are an emergency, please point in the graph below to the start of the “emergency”.
LINK for a lot more charts
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I posted this very article in another forum two months ago to see that after 13 pages of replies not a single counterpoint answer comes against it by warmist/alarmists. Their replies are evasive goal post moving and totally laughable.
What is the meaning of "emergency"Still nothing you say this is climate emergency situation, are you drinking tonight?Silly thread.
Climate change can cost trillions and kill millions through starvation.
Look at how quickly the dry Sahara desert resulted from the swamps that were here before it only about 10,000 years ago.
And we are accelerating the process down to only a couple hundred years or so.
Sure there would still be places with a useful climate, but almost every one would have to move, and most animals would be unlikely to adapt.
Yet you post zero evidence to support your climate fearmongering, did you bother to read the article?
There is no need for me to prove anything, since we have all seen the increases in temperature, the missing glaciers, etc.
Remember that the Arctic Ocean was never navigable even in summer, until 2009.
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Until 2009, the Arctic pack ice prevented regular marine shipping throughout most of the year. Arctic sea ice decline has rendered the waterways more navigable for ice navigation.[6][7][8][9]
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Now the Northwest Passage is always open.
So you're saying that the overwhelming number of climatologists are corrupt. Of course your sources are not only honest but appealing to them is OK since they are not authorities on climate. Yeah, that sounds logical to me.Who cares. They are nothing more than pseudo scientists at this point. They rely on computer derived fiction to support their positions. They rely on falsified data to support their positions, which supports their "sustainable" companies that they all own, and who's government funding they rely on to keep themselves living high on the hog.Maybe, I don't know, but most climatologists would disagree with you.At a significantly lower rate than in the past. Hmmm, either the glaciers are running out of ice, or maybe....just maybe, the planet is starting to cool again. Hmm. There is actual real evidence to support that. Not computer derived fiction, but REAL evidence of cooling.Maybe, I don't know. What I do know is that it is still happening.I have been to Iceland and stood on a glacier that, 50 years before, was over a kilometer longer.What climate change have you yourself witnessed?I have grandchildren that will likely be alive 100 years from now
name one prediction that came true?
And 100 years ago it was 20 kilometers longer. The vast majority of glacial retreat happened over 100 years ago.
Once again, you parrot factoids that are meaningless. They ignore the historical record for a reason. To frighten the ignorant, and line their pockets with YOUR money.
Don't let them steal your money.
Appeals to authority are logic fails.
They are logic fails for a reason.
Critters adapt biologically or go extinct. Man adapts culturally or goes extinct. Native American hunter gatherers were biologically the same as Europeans but their level of technology was much lower. That meant the Europeans had a much higher population and were able to, essentially make the natives extinct.Critters go extinct all of the time. Adapt or die. You aren't trying to adapt at all. You are trying to stab a cloud.
Pretty hard to do. And in the end, what have you accomplished. Nothing. Nothing at all.
I want our level of technical know-how to match our challenges and that won't happen if we hide our heads in the sand.
The point isn't that the climate is constantly changing. The point is that there was a major shift in climate from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world and it resulted in a more drastic and more frequent temperature changes. AND that there is a reason that explains all of that. None of which are being discussed and all of which are relevant to discussions of CLIMATE and the silly claims that are being made.So our climate is constantly changing. Agreed. Much of the change is natural. Agreed. My point is that ANY change will bring suffering.How about there was a slope change in the temperature of the planet? Can you see that?
That it markedly got colder? Can you see that?
How about there was more erratic or frequent temperature swings? Can you see that?
How about the temperature swings were more severe? Can you see that?
The point isn't that the climate is constantly changing. The point is that there was a major shift in climate from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world and it resulted in a more drastic and more frequent temperature changes. AND that there is a reason that explains all of that. None of which are being discussed and all of which are relevant to discussions of CLIMATE and the silly claims that are being made.So our climate is constantly changing. Agreed. Much of the change is natural. Agreed. My point is that ANY change will bring suffering.How about there was a slope change in the temperature of the planet? Can you see that?
That it markedly got colder? Can you see that?
How about there was more erratic or frequent temperature swings? Can you see that?
How about the temperature swings were more severe? Can you see that?
Government has a role to play since the free market is not good at investing in basic research. It was gov't funding that enabled a Covid vax to be developed so quickly.Good. Keep government out of it. Government hinders tech advances. Climatologists are clamoring for government control of everything.Critters adapt biologically or go extinct. Man adapts culturally or goes extinct. Native American hunter gatherers were biologically the same as Europeans but their level of technology was much lower. That meant the Europeans had a much higher population and were able to, essentially make the natives extinct.Critters go extinct all of the time. Adapt or die. You aren't trying to adapt at all. You are trying to stab a cloud.
Pretty hard to do. And in the end, what have you accomplished. Nothing. Nothing at all.
I want our level of technical know-how to match our challenges and that won't happen if we hide our heads in the sand.
"there is a reason that explains all"The point isn't that the climate is constantly changing. The point is that there was a major shift in climate from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world and it resulted in a more drastic and more frequent temperature changes. AND that there is a reason that explains all of that. None of which are being discussed and all of which are relevant to discussions of CLIMATE and the silly claims that are being made.So our climate is constantly changing. Agreed. Much of the change is natural. Agreed. My point is that ANY change will bring suffering.How about there was a slope change in the temperature of the planet? Can you see that?
That it markedly got colder? Can you see that?
How about there was more erratic or frequent temperature swings? Can you see that?
How about the temperature swings were more severe? Can you see that?
In the minds of people who have studied paleo-climates for decades."there is a reason that explains all"The point isn't that the climate is constantly changing. The point is that there was a major shift in climate from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world and it resulted in a more drastic and more frequent temperature changes. AND that there is a reason that explains all of that. None of which are being discussed and all of which are relevant to discussions of CLIMATE and the silly claims that are being made.So our climate is constantly changing. Agreed. Much of the change is natural. Agreed. My point is that ANY change will bring suffering.How about there was a slope change in the temperature of the planet? Can you see that?
That it markedly got colder? Can you see that?
How about there was more erratic or frequent temperature swings? Can you see that?
How about the temperature swings were more severe? Can you see that?
In your mind or in the minds of the people who have studied climate for decades?
Do you have any evidence to support your assertion that the free market is not good at investing in basic research? Because that seems like a really stupid assertion.Government has a role to play since the free market is not good at investing in basic research. It was gov't funding that enabled a Covid vax to be developed so quickly.Good. Keep government out of it. Government hinders tech advances. Climatologists are clamoring for government control of everything.Critters adapt biologically or go extinct. Man adapts culturally or goes extinct. Native American hunter gatherers were biologically the same as Europeans but their level of technology was much lower. That meant the Europeans had a much higher population and were able to, essentially make the natives extinct.Critters go extinct all of the time. Adapt or die. You aren't trying to adapt at all. You are trying to stab a cloud.
Pretty hard to do. And in the end, what have you accomplished. Nothing. Nothing at all.
I want our level of technical know-how to match our challenges and that won't happen if we hide our heads in the sand.
Names or links?In the minds of people who have studied paleo-climates for decades."there is a reason that explains all"The point isn't that the climate is constantly changing. The point is that there was a major shift in climate from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world and it resulted in a more drastic and more frequent temperature changes. AND that there is a reason that explains all of that. None of which are being discussed and all of which are relevant to discussions of CLIMATE and the silly claims that are being made.So our climate is constantly changing. Agreed. Much of the change is natural. Agreed. My point is that ANY change will bring suffering.How about there was a slope change in the temperature of the planet? Can you see that?
That it markedly got colder? Can you see that?
How about there was more erratic or frequent temperature swings? Can you see that?
How about the temperature swings were more severe? Can you see that?
In your mind or in the minds of the people who have studied climate for decades?
Names or links?In the minds of people who have studied paleo-climates for decades."there is a reason that explains all"The point isn't that the climate is constantly changing. The point is that there was a major shift in climate from a greenhouse world to an icehouse world and it resulted in a more drastic and more frequent temperature changes. AND that there is a reason that explains all of that. None of which are being discussed and all of which are relevant to discussions of CLIMATE and the silly claims that are being made.So our climate is constantly changing. Agreed. Much of the change is natural. Agreed. My point is that ANY change will bring suffering.How about there was a slope change in the temperature of the planet? Can you see that?
That it markedly got colder? Can you see that?
How about there was more erratic or frequent temperature swings? Can you see that?
How about the temperature swings were more severe? Can you see that?
In your mind or in the minds of the people who have studied climate for decades?
Government has a role to play since the free market is not good at investing in basic research. It was gov't funding that enabled a Covid vax to be developed so quickly.Good. Keep government out of it. Government hinders tech advances. Climatologists are clamoring for government control of everything.Critters adapt biologically or go extinct. Man adapts culturally or goes extinct. Native American hunter gatherers were biologically the same as Europeans but their level of technology was much lower. That meant the Europeans had a much higher population and were able to, essentially make the natives extinct.Critters go extinct all of the time. Adapt or die. You aren't trying to adapt at all. You are trying to stab a cloud.
Pretty hard to do. And in the end, what have you accomplished. Nothing. Nothing at all.
I want our level of technical know-how to match our challenges and that won't happen if we hide our heads in the sand.
I have no idea what kind of solar system you have but I do know the price of photovoltaics have fallen because the Chinese government subsidized their development. China now controls the market.Government has a role to play since the free market is not good at investing in basic research. It was gov't funding that enabled a Covid vax to be developed so quickly.Good. Keep government out of it. Government hinders tech advances. Climatologists are clamoring for government control of everything.Critters adapt biologically or go extinct. Man adapts culturally or goes extinct. Native American hunter gatherers were biologically the same as Europeans but their level of technology was much lower. That meant the Europeans had a much higher population and were able to, essentially make the natives extinct.Critters go extinct all of the time. Adapt or die. You aren't trying to adapt at all. You are trying to stab a cloud.
Pretty hard to do. And in the end, what have you accomplished. Nothing. Nothing at all.
I want our level of technical know-how to match our challenges and that won't happen if we hide our heads in the sand.
The free market is GREAT at basic research. Solar energy is stalled tech wise, because government bails out and rewards failure.
My solar system, that I built over 30 years ago now, is operating at 9% efficiency. It operated at 18% when it was new.
Guess what efficiency rate you can get from a new system today.
About 15%. So.....Thirty years on, and no increase in basic efficiency. That sort of failure is rewarded by the government.
It isn't tolerated in private industry.
Always hasMaybe, I don't know. What I do know is that it is still happening.I have been to Iceland and stood on a glacier that, 50 years before, was over a kilometer longer.What climate change have you yourself witnessed?I have grandchildren that will likely be alive 100 years from now
name one prediction that came true?
And 100 years ago it was 20 kilometers longer. The vast majority of glacial retreat happened over 100 years ago.
Once again, you parrot factoids that are meaningless. They ignore the historical record for a reason. To frighten the ignorant, and line their pockets with YOUR money.
Don't let them steal your money.
AdmittedlySo you're saying that the overwhelming number of climatologists are corrupt. Of course your sources are not only honest but appealing to them is OK since they are not authorities on climate. Yeah, that sounds logical to me.Who cares. They are nothing more than pseudo scientists at this point. They rely on computer derived fiction to support their positions. They rely on falsified data to support their positions, which supports their "sustainable" companies that they all own, and who's government funding they rely on to keep themselves living high on the hog.Maybe, I don't know, but most climatologists would disagree with you.At a significantly lower rate than in the past. Hmmm, either the glaciers are running out of ice, or maybe....just maybe, the planet is starting to cool again. Hmm. There is actual real evidence to support that. Not computer derived fiction, but REAL evidence of cooling.Maybe, I don't know. What I do know is that it is still happening.I have been to Iceland and stood on a glacier that, 50 years before, was over a kilometer longer.What climate change have you yourself witnessed?I have grandchildren that will likely be alive 100 years from now
name one prediction that came true?
And 100 years ago it was 20 kilometers longer. The vast majority of glacial retreat happened over 100 years ago.
Once again, you parrot factoids that are meaningless. They ignore the historical record for a reason. To frighten the ignorant, and line their pockets with YOUR money.
Don't let them steal your money.
Appeals to authority are logic fails.
They are logic fails for a reason.
And there in lies your issue, because all of that technology exists today, you believe it automatically makes things worse! And yet you acknowledge you have no historical records to say such a thing.In 1920 the world had no weather satellites, and the ability to predict dangerous weather beyond a few hours didn't exist. Because that technology didn't exist neither did EMS and the people/systems to manage weather emergencies
And people have always suffered and died. Call me crazy, I guess I'm not OK with that.Always hasMaybe, I don't know. What I do know is that it is still happening.I have been to Iceland and stood on a glacier that, 50 years before, was over a kilometer longer.What climate change have you yourself witnessed?I have grandchildren that will likely be alive 100 years from now
name one prediction that came true?
And 100 years ago it was 20 kilometers longer. The vast majority of glacial retreat happened over 100 years ago.
Once again, you parrot factoids that are meaningless. They ignore the historical record for a reason. To frighten the ignorant, and line their pockets with YOUR money.
Don't let them steal your money.