This is ridiculous, Meriweather. I get the proof and you say I engaged in copy and paste. My PROOF was straight from the Catholic church and not from Atheist Weekly. You insisted that hell was just a separation from your god and that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was not a Catholic. Now, you come up with Gehenna as if I am some dope and didn't know it was a dump[ that was always on fire because of it being a dump.
This is the thing, Meriweather. You have met your match here, and you don't like it because you are used to running roughshod over those who haven't memorized the Bible and learned Hebrew like you have. This is what humans do to control others. They rely on authority figures, and in your case, YOU are the authority figure. You lambast and ridicule me as if I am just some uneducated peon who isn't as knowledgeable as you are like a master would do to a slave to keep him on the farm.
I don't CARE what the CHURCH claims is a mortal sin or not. Catholics don't know what is. I proved to you the existence of eternal torture and a real hell which you said didn't exist and I did it in style....with proof with a link from the source.
Now then, would you like the moral sins that get one into hell? Or would me doing that be met with "Oh, you don't know the correct translation from Hebrew." One of them is not believing your story. The other is adultery and still another is talking smack against the fictional bible God. YOUR church, Meriweather, was ingenious. They were the original cancel culture and so extreme, you would be killed for not agreeing with an authority figure like a priest, bishop, cardinal.
So you think we are in some kind of match. Interesting.
In regards I haven't the faintest idea where you think I am wrong. You do have the idea that God tortures people in hell, and I don't know how you come up with that. Gehenna fire was also used to describe what happens in the here and now when one is unforgiving towards other. No one is picturing their bodies burning in their city dump when they are holding a grudge against another. It's not an outward physical torturing, it's an eternal burning--one might say a soul-burning, internal burning--and it is a burning one brings upon themselves through their lack of forgiving.
Second, fire is used as a purifier--gold tested in fire. It is the impurities that are burned--and anyone who has had great difficulties ridding themselves of a bad habit knows this as well.
For a sin to be mortal (we learned this in second grade, before our first confession/communion) one must do it with full consent of the will and the knowledge and consent this will separate one from God. Perhaps, when the class was discussing their choices for Confirmation Saint someone spoke of St. Teresa of Avila, who was given a vision of hell, where she was shown the place
devils had prepared for her had she chosen a life of vice instead. She described the place devils wanted for her as dark, reptilian, and closed in.
Recall the verse where Jesus warned Peter that Satan had asked to sift all the Apostles like wheat. That is comparing wheat on the threshing floor, where it is tossed into the air so that the chaff drifts away and the wheat falls back to to the floor. A lot of chaff flew off Peter the eve of the crucifixion, but the good remained, and was rescued. Judas...a lot of chaff flew off him as well, but nothing remained to rescue.
If you want to believe God is lying in wait to toss you and others into hell and torture you and others forever--and that is the news you proclaim--you have failed to find God. More sorrowful is that this appears to be what you
want God to be like. Why?
And you want to picture me as someone who "lambasts, ridicules, sees you as an uneducated peon" when I don't see you that way at all. I see us as two people sharing and conversing about two different perspectives. Remember that saying that much of what we don't like about another is actually traits we don't like about ourselves? Perhaps what you are actually seeing is the mirror image of yourself lambasting, ridiculing and treating me as an uneducated peon?
If you do want to have a match with someone, I understand there is a place called the "Bull Ring". I don't go there and never will. I'm not here to fight--I'm here to simply exchange differing ideas and perspectives. Yours is quite interesting. I keep think there must be a particular, specific, personal event that gave you this perspective. I would be interested in that as well...what shaped this perspective, what convinced you that you do not want to know God.
