When will republicans admit ACA is working well? Doing everything it said it would?

[Stephanie]

this is a success to Obots

8million people MOST of which us taxpayers are subsidizing.... out of 360 MILLION PEOPLE in the country

anyone want to guess we are subsidizing the op? so it's a raging frikken success for them eh?

loser

 

[Stephanie]

SNIP:
The Threat of Health Care Market Consolidation


By Reihan Salam

August 12, 2014 5:27 PM
Private insurers often play the role of villain in health policy debates. But private insurers are at the mercy of medical providers, particularly those with a great deal of market power. If I’m a private insurer, I have little choice but to play ball with the dominant hospital group or health system in a given region.

Because hospitals are obligated to provide care to those who can’t afford to pay for it, governments at all levels have acquiesced as hospitals have consolidated. The idea is that hospitals will use their pricing power for the greater good, to provide uncompensated care and to more broadly serve their communities by, for example, subsidizing the training of medical professionals.

It’s not at all clear, however, that this cross-subsidy strategy is the best way to make high-quality medical care more affordable and accessible. Innovative medical providers often find themselves stymied in their efforts to offer low-cost alternatives in regions dominated by politically powerful hospital groups. This in turn means that the cost of medical care, compensated or uncompensated, is higher than would be the case in a more competitive market.

In theory, the Affordable Care Act was designed to do away with the problem of uncompensated care by dramatically reducing the number of uninsured individuals. With the uncompensated care problem “solved,” there would presumably be less need for the public sector to stand idly by as hospitals consolidate to increase their pricing power.

As Chris Pope observes in a new report from the Heritage Foundation, however, the Affordable Care Act has if anything exacerbated the problem of monopoly pricing power in medical care. Yet the story of government’s role in driving provider concentration is not primarily about the Affordable Care Act. The bigger culprit is Medicare, the single-payer health system that represents just over a fifth of all health expenditures in the U.S.

Pope ends his report with a series of broad recommendations:

ALL of it here:
The Threat of Health Care Market Consolidation | National Review Online





SNIP:

 

[Stephanie]

SNIP:
A Prophetic Look at National Health Care

02-20-2012 | 13 Comments | Dale Ahlquist


G.K. Chesterton considered himself a member of the Liberal Party until 1912. As he would later say, he did not leave the Liberal Party. It left him. He believed in something called liberty, the idea that people should be able to make most decisions for themselves, especially the most basic and most important decisions, and not have such decisions made for them by anyone else, especially by the government. He believed, as a liberal, that the State’s role was to preserve liberty, not take it away.

What happened in 1912? The Liberal Party, which held power in Parliament, passed The Health Insurance Act. Every working man was required to have part of his wages withheld to pay for a national health insurance. The funding was to be further supplemented by a tax on every employer. Sound familiar?

Chesterton’s objections to the Insurance Act were threefold. First, it was anti-democratic in practice. The vast majority of the English population was against it. It was being passed against their will, but—so the argument went—for their own good. Second, it was anti-democratic in principle. It divided the populace into two permanent castes: those who labor, and those who pay for the labor. Chesterton called this what it is: slavery. Third, Chesterton saw the Act as paving the way to the State seizing more power, more influence, more interference in everyone’s daily lives. Sound familiar?

About a century later, here in America, we are looking at essentially the same thing that Chesterton was looking at. We watched as a National Health Care program was passed in utter defiance of public support, rammed through the legislative process by one party rather than by any sort of consensus. We have also watched the reinforcement of a system comprised of employers and employees, of wage-earners rather than independent, self-sufficient and truly “self-employed” citizens. And we have also watched the unimaginable growth of government as it has insinuated itself into every aspect of our lives.

One of Chesterton’s strongest objections to the Insurance Act was the increase in taxes to those who could scarcely afford to have any of their income taken from them, even if it was to be used for something specific like health care. The tax prevented a man from paying for other needs he had that might be just as important as medical care. He was being forced to pay for medical care that he might not need. What other things that he did not need would the State decide he must also pay for?

Chesterton pointed out that a compulsory Health Insurance Act was first passed in Germany. It followed another compulsory act that was also first passed in Germany: compulsory education. Chesterton was a vocal opponent of state-sponsored compulsory education, for the same reasons he was against a national health insurance. It was an attack on freedom. It gave the government too much power, and it took away a basic freedom from the citizen. The liberal argument was that the State was providing a valuable service. Chesterton’s counter-argument was that though the State was providing education, it was the State’s education. Though it was providing medicine, it was a forced medicine. With a compulsory insurance, he argued, people were being forced to pay to be protected against themselves. People are often willing to trade freedom for security. But the problem is that it is usually someone else trading our freedom for our security.

ALL of it here:
https://web.archive.org/web/2013081...2/a-prophetic-look-at-national-health-care-2/

 

[francoHFW]

We're ALREADY paying for the care for the poorer people, just in the stupidest, cruelest, most expensive way possible..
What does the GOP have against transparent, open competition? Single payer won't be happening in the foreseeable future,- that's just more fear mongering to go with all the rest of your bs propaganda.
This very capitalist system works great in the Netherlands and Switzerland, and will here too when the bought off, mindless GOP hangs up their idiocy. Next year, whether they like it or not.
This stupidity is only possible when the majority of the country is ignorant and doesn't understand the system yet...the GOP way...our media is a disgrace.

 

[Redfish]

Obamacare is working great for those getting it free. For everyone else it is a financial disaster.

 

[francoHFW]

And strangely that happens mainly in red states and areas...a LOT of people are satisfied- 74% of dupes the last I saw, and the competition has barely begun.

 

[francoHFW]

But keep your head buried in fear mongering bs...

 

[Stephanie]

Face it Franko, give your money back to Obama and the DNC because you haven't changed any minds with all the duped spew on here about his failure with his NAME on it, (which by the way he won LIE OF THE year over it) and which is quite appropriate. because everything he touched goes to crap

 

[Wildman]

Just curious?

billy ZERO, ZERO, ZERO, please tell us how well it is working for you ?

 

[Wildman]

But keep your head buried in fear mongering bs...

OOOOOOOH MY GAWD !!!!

he made a post without "HATER DUPES"

 

[francoHFW]

74% of hater dupes who got insurance under O-Care are satisfied, more Dems of course...Kentucky loves Obamacare as long as they don't know it's his. It's working, sorry about your luck.

It's no lie, he just didn't know how many liked crappy scam policies they were ignorant about...you'll figure it out in the end- you're welcome.

 

[Redfish]

But keep your head buried in fear mongering bs...

OOOOOOOH MY GAWD !!!!

he made a post without "HATER DUPES"

our resident libs cannot bring themselves to admit that ACA (passed by dems only in the most corrupt manner possible) is a fricken disaster that is helping no one and destroying the best medical system in the history of the world.

 

[Stephanie]

74% of hater dupes who got insurance under O-Care are satisfied, more Dems of course...Kentucky loves Obamacare as long as they don't know it's his. It's working, sorry about your luck.

It's no lie, he just didn't know how many liked crappy scam policies they were ignorant about...you'll figure it out in the end- you're welcome.

right, you pull those numbers out of your butt or off dailyKos?
how can you stand misleading people? it's disgusting and sick

 

[francoHFW]

Too bad you don't see any real news. Was on EVERY media BUT your Pub propaganda machine, hater dupe.Survey: Most Republicans Who Bought Obamacare ...
talkingpointsmemo.com/.../republicans-like-obama...
Talking Points Memo
Jul 10, 2014 - The survey found that 74 percent of Republicans said they were very or somewhat satisfied with their new coverage. Overall, 78 percent of ...
BOOM: Study Shows 74 Percent of Republicans Love Their ...
aattp.org/boom-study-shows-74-percent-of-republicans-love-their-obam...
Jul 10, 2014 - News of the latest survey about Obamacare confirms it. The Affordable ... 74 percent of Republicans and 82 percent of independents said that they were very or somewhat satisfied with their new insurance plan. It is also worth ...
74% Of Republicans Are Satisfied With Their Obamacare ...
BOR:...
Burnt Orange Report
Jul 12, 2014 - A recent survey found that 74% of Republicans are happy with the health coverage they're receiving through the Affordable Care Act.
74 percent of Republicans are happy with their new ...
theweek.com/.../speedreads-74-percent-of-republicans-are-hap...
The Week
by John Aziz - When asked what they think of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), colloquially known as ObamaCare, Republicans are scathing and united in their disapproval.
It turns out that Republicans love their Obamacare. Repeal ...
www.dailykos.com/.../-New-survey-shows-why-Republicans-a...
Daily Kos
by Joan McCarter - Jul 10, 2014 - Republicans, still flailing in their efforts to come up with their own ... said they were somewhat or very satisfied with their new health insurance.
Democratic Rep. Donna Edwards says '74% of Republicans ...
www.politifact.com/.../democratic-rep-donna-edwards-say...
PolitiFact.com
Jul 14, 2014 - "74 percent of Republicans support the Affordable Care Act." ... One of the questions was, "Overall, how satisfied are you with this new health ...
Republicans Love Obamacare! | Mother Jones
www.motherjones.com/kevin.../republicans-love-obamacar...
Mother Jones
by Kevin Drum - Jul 10, 2014 - That's a lot of Republicans who are satisfied with their Obamacare coverage. They might not realize it's Obamacare—perhaps they know it as ...
Study: Most Republicans happy with Obamacare | MSNBC
www.msnbc.com/.../study--most-republicans-happy-with-obamacare-30...
Jul 11, 2014 - A new study shows that 74% of Republicans who gained health insurance coverage through Obamacare are satisfied. So why are so many ...
Republicans Who Signed Up For Obamacare This Year Are ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../republicans-health-insu...
The Huffington Post
Jul 10, 2014 - A poll of Obamacare enrollees published Thursday by the Commonwealth Fund found that 74 percent of newly insured Republicans are happy ...
74 Percent of Newly Insured Republicans Like Their ... - Politix
politix.topix.com/.../12991-74-percent-of-newly-insured-republicans-lik...
Jul 10, 2014 - People enrolled in ObamaCare plans are pretty satisfied and that includes Republicans, according to a new poll by the Commonwealth Fund, ...

google 74% of GOP satisfied and get 10 pages of this...

 

[LeftofLeft]

Just curious?

.....when all of the 2014 and 2016 Democrats running for office embrace it and use it as their basis for re-election.

 

[Kosh]

When will republicans admit ACA is working well? Doing everything it said it would?

Well the far left shows that propaganda rules the day.

How can something being working well, if it is not fully implemented? Obviously it is a bad law otherwise Obama would not have postponed some the most damaging parts until after the 2014 elections.

 

[francoHFW]

When you call Dems commies or far left, you're an obvious brainwashed, ignorant hater dupe.

Dems will embrace it late. They're pussies- but by 2016 there won't be any risk. But better well meaning pussies than money grubbing, lying Pub a-holes, hater dupes.

 

[Politico]

Just curious?

.....when all of the 2014 and 2016 Democrats running for office embrace it and use it as their basis for re-election.

LOL why would they do that?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Dunno how well well is, my Mom mentioned how difficult it is now to get appointments. Joked with her, "Say you think you have ebola. That'll clear the waiting room."

 

[jon_berzerk]

When will republicans admit ACA is working well? Doing everything it said it would?

Well the far left shows that propaganda rules the day.

How can something being working well, if it is not fully implemented? Obviously it is a bad law otherwise Obama would not have postponed some the most damaging parts until after the 2014 elections.

well it is not working well