House Republican leaders ditch vote on ACA funding, all but ensuring premiums will rise

[Auld Phart]

Imagine that? A 6 second clip devoid of context might give you a misleading idea of what she meant.

Don't be a dupe.

The Context Behind Nancy Pelosi’s Famous ‘We Have to Pass the Bill’ Quote

On NBC News' Meet the Press Sunday morning, host David Gregory resurrected a favorite right-wing attack on the Affordable Care Act, asking House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to defend her 2010 comment that "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog...

www.mediaite.com

what content is missing, little girl?

have a more complete quote?

or are you going to go off on a tangent and whine about death panels some more?

 

[Marener]

what content is missing, little girl?

have a more complete quote?

or are you going to go off on a tangent and whine about death panels some more?

The full text of the speech is in the link I already provided you. Clearly you didn't read it.

Her whole point is that you dipshits don't read anything, and here you are proving her right.

 

[Auld Phart]

The full text of the speech is in the link I already provided you. Clearly you didn't read it.

Her whole point is that you dipshits don't read anything, and here you are proving her right.

I really don't have the time to read her 'fool' speech.

can you manage a synopsis, with quotes?

 

[Marener]

I really don't have the time to read her 'fool' speech.

can you manage a synopsis, with quotes?

“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention — it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation — innovation begins in the classroom — clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.

 

[Auld Phart]

“You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention — it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.

“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. Furthermore, we believe that health care reform, again I said at the beginning of my remarks, that we sent the three pillars that the President’s economic stabilization and job creation initiatives were education and innovation — innovation begins in the classroom — clean energy and climate, addressing the climate issues in an innovative way to keep us number one and competitive in the world with the new technology, and the third, first among equals I may say, is health care, health insurance reform. Health insurance reform is about jobs. This legislation alone will create 4 million jobs, about 400,000 jobs very soon.

thanks for backing up my link.

sounds like she hadn't read it either.

if she HAD, we wouldn't be in our current mess.

 

[Polishprince]

“It's official: House Speaker Mike Johnson says he won't call a vote to extend enhanced subsidies under the Affordable Care Act, effectively guaranteeing they will expire at the end of this month.

That means higher insurance premiums will go into effect for millions of Americans who get coverage through Obamacare next year.

The speaker made the announcement Tuesday after a closed-door Republican caucus meeting, saying that leadership failed to reach a deal with centrist members to bring up an ACA amendment on a health care bill set for a vote on Wednesday.”

House Republican leaders ditch vote on ACA funding, all but ensuring premiums will rise

Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said Republicans worked on the issue throughout the weekend but could not come to an agreement with a group of members who want the funds extended.

www.nbcnews.com

Death by Republican negligence.

This is about the right’s unwarranted opposition to the ACA.

This has to do with Republicans’ long ongoing efforts to destroy the ACA – unable to repeal the Act, Republicans seek to cripple the ACA by ending access to affordable healthcare.

The right’s meritless contempt for the ACA has nothing to do with its provisions and everything to do with the president who signed the Act into law.

The problem Jonesie, is that the ACA, Obamacare, makes all kinds of requirements on the coverage insurance companies must provide. If the insurance industry were allowed to offer plans with less coverage, the prices would decrease.

 

[Marener]

thanks for backing up my link.

sounds like she hadn't read it either.

if she HAD, we wouldn't be in our current mess.

She spent 20 minutes talking about what the bill is going to do.

Not that you know that because you're too lazy to read it.

She's talking about the "controversy" about the bill, and that once the bill is enacted that controversy will go away.

And it did. She was 100% right. There were no death panels in the bill.

 

[Greenbeard]

The problem Jonesie, is that the ACA, Obamacare, makes all kinds of requirements on the coverage insurance companies must provide. If the insurance industry were allowed to offer plans with less coverage, the prices would decrease.

People generally like the requirement that insurers can’t punish people for having pre-existing conditions.

If you mean benefit requirements, most of the 160+ million people in the U.S. with private employer-based coverage aren’t subject to benefit mandates and it turns out their plans are no cheaper.

 

[Auld Phart]

She spent 20 minutes talking about what the bill is going to do.

Not that you know that because you're too lazy to read it.

She's talking about the "controversy" about the bill, and that once the bill is enacted that controversy will go away.

And it did. She was 100% right. There were no death panels in the bill.

She's talking about the "controversy" about the bill, and that once the bill is enacted that controversy will go away.

seems it didn't go away.

And it did. She was 100% right. There were no death panels in the bill.

and ?

I don't remember, what position in the process of getting this bill pass did Palin have?

 

[Marener]

seems it didn't go away.

Considering we aren't talking about death panels, it sure did.

and ?

I don't remember, what position in the process of getting this bill pass did Palin have?

She was on TV swaying public opinion and causing the controversy that Pelosi was talking about.

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'

Of all the falsehoods and distortions in the political discourse this year, one stood out from the rest. "Death panels."

www.politifact.com

 

[Auld Phart]

Considering we aren't talking about death panels, it sure did.

She was on TV swaying public opinion and causing the controversy that Pelosi was talking about.

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'

Of all the falsehoods and distortions in the political discourse this year, one stood out from the rest. "Death panels."

www.politifact.com

so, nothing to do with getting the bill passed.

thank you

 

[Godboy]

The one where a handful of vulnerable Republicans have been begging for a 1 or 2 year extension and the House Republican leadership won’t even bring a short-term extension for a vote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/16/us/politics/obamacare-subsidies-house.html

There’s nothing for the Dems to refuse, the GOP won’t consider an extension of any length.



I’m not the one claiming the enhanced subsidies led to higher rates. In real life, real marketplace premiums have been flat for years.

Its amusing to me that you expect the GOP to agree to democrats terms on funding the ACA, which we were dead set against from the start. We said it would jack up prices, democrats swore that it would lower prices. The prices ******* SKYROCKETED!!!!! Now you blame us if we dont pour billions into your failing program? YOUR party also voted for this deadline that is coming up, and now that its here you blame US?

Nah dude. This is ALL your party's fault. Have some integrity and just own up to this disaster.

 

[Marener]

so, nothing to do with getting the bill passed.

thank you

Approval for the ACA has gone up in the years after it’s been passed.

Know why?

Because people only found out what was in it after they passed it.

 

[Polishprince]

People generally like the requirement that insurers can’t punish people for having pre-existing conditions.

If you mean benefit requirements, most of the 160+ million people in the U.S. with private employer-based coverage aren’t subject to benefit mandates and it turns out their plans are no cheaper.

People generally don't like the idea that ACA approved plans have to cover sex change operations and abortions. I'm a 70 year old man, I'm not going to have my nads lopped off or have an abortion, so why should I pay for that coverage? Sound like pure profit for the insurance company , so they are FORCED by law to charge me for it.

 

[Marener]

Its amusing to me that you expect the GOP to agree to democrats terms on funding the ACA, which we were dead set against from the start. We said it would jack up prices, democrats swore that it would lower prices. The prices ******* SKYROCKETED!!!!! Now you blame us if we dont pour billions into your failing program? YOUR party voted for this deadline that is coming up, and now that its here you blame US?

Nah dude. This is ALL your party's fault. Have some integrity and just own up to this disaster.

Tell us how the ACA caused prices to skyrocket.

 

[Marener]

People generally don't like the idea that ACA approved plans have to cover sex change operations and abortions. I'm a 70 year old man, I'm not going to have my nads lopped off or have an abortion, so why should I pay for that coverage? Sound like pure profit for the insurance company , so they are FORCED by law to charge me for it.

Why are you on the ACA at 70?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Approval for the ACA has gone up in the years after it’s been passed.

Know why?

Because people only found out what was in it after they passed it.

No it hasn't. It's been steady since it's passing. Quit lying.

 

[Greenbeard]

People generally don't like the idea that ACA approved plans have to cover sex change operations and abortions. I'm a 70 year old man, I'm not going to have my nads lopped off or have an abortion, so why should I pay for that coverage? Sound like pure profit for the insurance company , so they are FORCED by law to charge me for it.

Why should a young person have to pay for literally any medical care you need?

 

[Marener]

No it hasn't. It's been steady since it's passing. Quit lying.

Can you back this up?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Tell us how the ACA caused prices to skyrocket.

New regulations and mandates. It mandated things like coverage of birthing care for men, which insurance companies then charge you for. They have to. When you MANDATE a company provide you something, you then are at the mercy of that company on price. Also forcing companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions.

Key factors and mechanisms include:

New Regulations and Mandates

• Essential Health Benefits (EHBs): The ACA required all plans to cover a comprehensive set of EHBs, such as prescription drugs, mental health services, and preventive care, which were not always included in pre-ACA plans. This broadened coverage increased costs.
• Actuarial Value (AV) Requirements: The law set minimum AVs for plans (Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum), meaning plans had to cover a certain percentage of healthcare costs. Many pre-ACA plans had lower AVs, so the new minimums forced plans to offer richer benefits, leading to higher premiums.
• Guaranteed Issue and Pre-existing Conditions: Insurers were prohibited from denying coverage or charging more based on a person's health status or pre-existing conditions. While expanding access, this meant healthier people had to pay higher premiums to subsidize the costs of sicker enrollees.

Changes to Risk Pooling and Demographics

• Age and Sex Rating Restrictions: The ACA limited how much insurers could vary premiums based on age (to a 3:1 ratio) and banned variations based on sex. This effectively shifted costs from older individuals to younger adults (whose premiums increased) and from women to men at certain ages.
• Adverse Selection: The new rules made insurance more attractive to individuals with significant healthcare needs and less attractive to healthy people, especially young adults, who faced higher premiums and relatively low tax penalties for not having coverage (before the penalty was effectively eliminated). This resulted in an older and less healthy risk pool, which further drove up average premiums for the individual market.
• Migration of High-Cost Enrollees: Older and sicker individuals previously covered by high-risk pools or employer-continuation coverage (COBRA) were able to shift into the subsidized individual market, adding more high-cost members to the general pool.

Taxes and Fees

• The ACA imposed several new taxes and fees on insurance companies and medical device manufacturers, which insurers often passed on to consumers in the form of higher premiums.