When was the last time you changed your mind about something politically important and admitted it?

[Failzero]

Poor MAGA gimp....he can't explain why he continues to support Trump after he tried to kill his own Vice President.

Wait wut ???

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Wait wut ???

Jan 6, gimp. Trump lies to you about the 2020 election and you still support him.

Because you are mentally ill.

 

[Failzero]

Jan 6, gimp. Trump lies to you about the 2020 election and you still support him.

Because you are mentally ill.

Your future ex Wife will call you that .

 

[initforme]

My mind tells me not to vote anymore since we have the candidates we do. Sad.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Your future ex Wife will call you that .

Except she won't.....because I'm not deranged enough to enthusiastically support a president who tries to steal an election and kill their own Vice President.

But you obviously are.

 

[Failzero]

My mind tells me not to vote anymore since we have the candidates we do. Sad.

If Obama could run again would you vote for him
???

 

[BrokeLoser]

You keep reaching for stereotypes. Purple hair, nose rings, tattoos, because it’s easier to fight cartoons than ideas. I’m not talking about aesthetics. I’m talking about the strength of your beliefs. You say they’re solid. You say they’re proven, but every time I ask you to examine them, not abandon them, examine them, you collapse into mockery and grievance.

That’s the tell.

You say the evidence is all around us, but what you really mean is you feel threatened by change and need to dress that fear up as moral clarity. You invoke tradition like it’s a shield from responsibility, as if the values handed down are always right simply because they were handed down, but you still haven’t answered the actual question.

If someone from your own tribe did something morally wrong, and the truth contradicted the script you’ve sworn to defend, would you want to know, or would you double down and call the truth ‘progressive nonsense’?

That’s what this is really about. It’s not about tattoos. It’s not about depression rates. It’s not even about policy. It’s about whether you’re strong enough to love truth more than your story. You think you’re defending America, but what you’re really defending is a version of yourself that’s too afraid to ask what else might be true.

You’re losing me as go deeper and deeper and become more prophetic.
Here’s what I know…people who fancy themselves as extremely nuanced uber intellectuals, critical thinkers, profound revolutionaries, philosophical geniuses ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS manufacture complexities…so much so that they render themselves rudderless with no real direction, commitment or convictions…They lose their ability to problem solve because they see every issue or problem as so complex that there can be no resolution.
Conservatives tend to be simple people, purple hairs will call them stupid for their simplicity…We teach our children to simplify everything, we believe they have to to be effective problem solvers, we teach them to not get stuck in confusing perpetual cycles…to hold their beliefs and convictions dear…to be disciplined and stay committed to said beliefs and convictions. You see this as ignorance, as close-mindedness as following a traditional status quo…That’s okay.
The self proclaimed ‘advanced’ people or purple hairs as I call them teach nothing but unconventional wisdom in their households..for that we end up with a faction of depressed, confused, fragile, introverts who don’t ever feel like they fit in and who are suicidal far too often.
By and large our children grow up to be conventional thinking God loving, law abiding, positive contributing heterosexuals and we’re pretty happy with that.
We believe our lying eyes…we see what happens when we deviate from ‘our way’ and tinker with or embrace things like diversity, tolerance and inclusion…We see what we’ve done to ourselves be being gracious and considerate….we want to reel it all back in. We want a do-over, we want to take a mulligan.

 

[initforme]

If Obama could run again would you vote for him
???

No. Im waiting for an average psycheck to paycheck person who works hard to barely scrape by to run for high office.

 

[Failzero]

No. Im waiting for an average psycheck to paycheck person who works hard to barely scrape by to run for high office.

Like Vance ?

 

[Anomalism]

OR, my side is the good guys and our opponents are evil. You act like that is not an option.



I dismiss them because they are based on the faulty assumption that I am an ignorant boob, barely aware of my own existance.



Sure. But what if most of what you see is fine?

That’s a fair question, but “fine” isn’t the same as true, or whole, or brave. Plenty of people look in the mirror and see “fine” because they’re only looking for confirmation, not clarity. The deeper question isn’t "what do you see that’s fine?" It’s what are you afraid to look at? What parts of your beliefs or identity are off-limits to scrutiny? We all have shadows we’ve convinced ourselves are just “corners of the room.” What if the part you refuse to question is the part that’s actually shaping the rest?

This isn’t about being an “ignorant boob.” It’s about whether you’ve ever risked the kind of self-interrogation that leaves you different, even if just a little, on the other side. Most people don’t do that. They mistake consistency for integrity and call it strength, but real introspection? It leaves stretch marks.

 

[initforme]

Like Vance ?

Nope. Hed never get my vote.

 

[BrokeLoser]

No. Im waiting for an average psycheck to paycheck person who works hard to barely scrape by to run for high office.

I’m sure a janitor would do a bang-up job running America.

 

[initforme]

You’re losing me as go deeper and deeper and become more prophetic.
Here’s what I know…people who fancy themselves as extremely nuanced uber intellectuals, critical thinkers, profound revolutionaries, philosophical geniuses ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS manufacture complexities…so much so that they render themselves rudderless with no real direction, commitment or convictions…They lose their ability to problem solve because they see every issue or problem as so complex that there can be no resolution.
Conservatives tend to be simple people, purple hairs will call them stupid for their simplicity…We teach our children to simplify everything, we believe they have to to be effective problem solvers, we teach them to not get stuck in confusing perpetual cycles…to hold their beliefs and convictions dear…to be disciplined and stay committed to said beliefs and convictions. You see this as ignorance, as close-mindedness as following a traditional status quo…That’s okay.
The self proclaimed ‘advanced’ people or purple hairs as I call them teach nothing but unconventional wisdom in their households..for that we end up with a faction of depressed, confused, fragile, introverts who don’t ever feel like they fit in and who are suicidal far too often.
By and large our children grow up to be conventional thinking God loving, law abiding, positive contributing heterosexuals and we’re pretty happy with that.
We believe our lying eyes…we see what happens when we deviate from ‘our way’ and tinker with or embrace things like diversity, tolerance and inclusion…We see what we’ve done to ourselves be being gracious and considerate….we want to reel it all back in. We want a do-over, we want to take a mulligan.

I taught my kids to get financially very fit beforr getting married. NO BUILDING together from nothing thats stupidity. Between 3 full grown kids we have 1 grandchild. Thats a perfect scenario for the nation.

 

[Failzero]

I’m sure a janitor would do a bang-up job running America.

An Islamist Imam

 

[BrokeLoser]

I taught my kids to get financially very fit beforr getting married. NO BUILDING together from nothing thats stupidity. Between 3 full grown kids we have 1 grandchild. Thats a perfect scenario for the nation.

That sounds like population control to me.

 

[initforme]

I’m sure a janitor would do a bang-up job running America.

We font know if never given the chance.

 

[BrokeLoser]

That’s a fair question, but “fine” isn’t the same as true, or whole, or brave. Plenty of people look in the mirror and see “fine” because they’re only looking for confirmation, not clarity. The deeper question isn’t "what do you see that’s fine?" It’s what are you afraid to look at? What parts of your beliefs or identity are off-limits to scrutiny? We all have shadows we’ve convinced ourselves are just “corners of the room.” What if the part you refuse to question is the part that’s actually shaping the rest?

This isn’t about being an “ignorant boob.” It’s about whether you’ve ever risked the kind of self-interrogation that leaves you different, even if just a little, on the other side. Most people don’t do that. They mistake consistency for integrity and call it strength, but real introspection? It leaves stretch marks.

Maybe it’s time we cut to the chase and ask you….What issues and or policies should Conservatives compromise on today?

 

[Foxfyre]

Yes. For me in the most horrific situations, I'm not opposed. But I don't know if I trust the govt to always get it right, either. And putting someone to death who is not guilty is heinous. So, I'm still torn...

DNA technology has been a godsend to law enforcement as one layer of insurance that they do have the right person in custody. Other forensic skills learned in recent times has also helped immensely to prove the innocence of those who are arrested but are innocent.

And appeals that allow introduction of new and better evidence, long delays between sentencing and execution to give the defense a lot of time to look for other evidence, etc. all make it much less likely to execute innocent people these days.

But on the reality that it could happen, I do hear your concern.

Stephen King's horror drama, "The Green Mile" really illustrates the ethnical dilemma. The character Paul Edgecomb, a death row prison guard and a good guy, becomes aware beyond reasonable doubt that one of the prisoners is innocent of any crime. The prison guards on death row also carried out the executions. He expressed his own mental torment as being for the first time in fear of hellfire should he execute the gifted gentle giant he now knows is innocent.

The prisoner tries to help him by expressing that he really has his own mental demons because of things he knows and he wants to be put out of his misery.

I can't imagine how very horrible being in that situation would be for that prison guard.

 

[Anomalism]

You’re losing me as go deeper and deeper and become more prophetic.
Here’s what I know…people who fancy themselves as extremely nuanced uber intellectuals, critical thinkers, profound revolutionaries, philosophical geniuses ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS manufacture complexities…so much so that they render themselves rudderless with no real direction, commitment or convictions…They lose their ability to problem solve because they see every issue or problem as so complex that there can be no resolution.
Conservatives tend to be simple people, purple hairs will call them stupid for their simplicity…We teach our children to simplify everything, we believe they have to to be effective problem solvers, we teach them to not get stuck in confusing perpetual cycles…to hold their beliefs and convictions dear…to be disciplined and stay committed to said beliefs and convictions. You see this as ignorance, as close-mindedness as following a traditional status quo…That’s okay.
The self proclaimed ‘advanced’ people or purple hairs as I call them teach nothing but unconventional wisdom in their households..for that we end up with a faction of depressed, confused, fragile, introverts who don’t ever feel like they fit in and who are suicidal far too often.
By and large our children grow up to be conventional thinking God loving, law abiding, positive contributing heterosexuals and we’re pretty happy with that.
We believe our lying eyes…we see what happens when we deviate from ‘our way’ and tinker with or embrace things like diversity, tolerance and inclusion…We see what we’ve done to ourselves be being gracious and considerate….we want to reel it all back in. We want a do-over, we want to take a mulligan.

You're not describing wisdom. You're describing the comfort of certainty in a world you don't trust. You claim conservatives “simplify” to solve problems, but what you’re really describing is the refusal to think past the first explanation that feels safe. Complexity isn’t a flaw. It’s reality. The world is messy. People are different. History doesn’t hand us clean answers, and trying to reduce it all to a binary of “our way vs. the purple-haired chaos” isn’t clarity. It’s panic management.

You say I’m “becoming prophetic” as if that’s a flaw. Maybe that’s just your reaction when someone challenges your worldview with more depth than slogans can defend against. You mock people who “manufacture complexity” but no one is manufacturing anything. You just don't want to face how much of what you believe rests on assumptions you’ve never examined. You teach your kids to hold onto convictions without questioning them. That’s not strength. That’s pre-loading ideology before they even know how to ask why.

Then you give a list: God-loving, law-abiding, heterosexual. As if those are the only markers of a life well lived. You’re not describing a moral code. You’re describing a mold, and anyone who doesn’t fit into it becomes a threat, not because they’re dangerous, but because their existence bothers you, and here’s the real giveaway: you said “we want a do-over.” A mulligan. That’s not about protecting values. That’s about undoing visibility. Diversity, tolerance, inclusion, these didn’t break the country. They just revealed parts of it you never had to see before. Now you want to put the lid back on the box, not because truth failed, but because control slipped.

That’s not moral certainty. That’s nostalgic authoritarianism, so no, I don’t see your worldview as ignorance. I see it as fear with tradition for camouflage. You can raise your kids to believe the world is simple, but reality isn’t going to accommodate that illusion forever, and when it doesn’t, they won’t thank you for protecting them from truth. They’ll resent you for hiding it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Yes. For me in the most horrific situations, I'm not opposed. But I don't know if I trust the govt to always get it right, either. And putting someone to death who is not guilty is heinous. So, I'm still torn...

For me it’s simple.
No killer should get the death penalty if found guilty on circumstantial evidence
All killers should get the death penalty if convicted on direct evidence