When was the last time you changed your mind about something politically important and admitted it?

[SweetSue92]

That is a tough one for sure. But in my heart and mind, I think there are crimes so cruel, so horrendously vicious, so unconscionably brutal and horrible, that there needs to be consequences beyond life imprisonment. That is one in which I have changed my mind as I once opposed the death penalty.

Yes. For me in the most horrific situations, I'm not opposed. But I don't know if I trust the govt to always get it right, either. And putting someone to death who is not guilty is heinous. So, I'm still torn...

 

[Correll]

You say your stance hasn’t changed since the 90s, and maybe that’s the issue.

The world has changed. The data, the demographics, the challenges, and the root causes have changed., but your response hasn’t. That’s not consistency. That’s stagnation.

Not really. The basic issues of immigration, wages, trade, globalization, are all the same. The trends have just had longer to build up and increase their effects.

You brought up immigration. Fine, let’s talk about it. You say you’d be “fine if deportations were done without fuss” but the issue isn’t whether you’re personally rioting. It’s that you’ve become so used to seeing them as the threat that you’ve stopped asking deeper questions altogether. Questions like...

Why is immigration rising?

Who profits from keeping the system broken?

Who benefits when you're angry, distracted, and focused on the symptoms but not the causes?

I think about and discuss those questions all the time. Your assumptions are your assumptions. Perhaps you should check them.

You say your anger isn’t driving your behavior, but it’s in your tone. It’s in the framing. It’s in the fact that every example you reach for puts the blame somewhere else, and never turns the light back on you. You’re not interrogating. You’re reacting, and the real giveaway is that you say your views haven’t changed in over 30 years. Think about that.

I'm a working class guy. Major policy issues are not my fault, they are the fault of the assholes making the decisions.

No new questions? No new information? No growth? No shift in how you interpret events, or what deeper patterns you might have missed? If your beliefs haven’t evolved since the 90s, you’re not holding a position; you’re clinging to a fossil, and the longer you cling to it, the more any challenge will feel like a threat, not because it’s wrong, but because change feels like betrayal.

Nope. It is our society that has been stagnant and I have been frustrated with that, and I welcome the new and rapid changes that MAGA are bringing.

You say the left is threatening to tear the country apart. Maybe you’re right, but ask yourself what you would believe right now if you had been raised on the other side of the fence? Same values? Same outrage? Same timeless views?

I was raised on the other side. My parents were New Deal Democrats from the time of the Great Depression. I questioned their politics and views, and saw them as not being in touch with the changing reality.

If the answer is no, then maybe this isn’t about truth. Maybe it’s just about which team taught you how to see.

So, the answer is yes. So, it is about truth.

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump lied to you about the 2020 election.....and you still support him, anyway.

Because you are mentally ill.

I think we are right back to you being stupid.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

I know you feel that way....because you are mentally ill.

You morons didn’t even know the word insurrection existed until the Dems and their media told you .

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

I think we are right back to you being stupid.

No....we are right back to me pointing out how you are a mentally ill member of the MAGA cult.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

You morons didn’t even know the word insurrection existed until the Dems and their media told you .

It doesn't matter what you call it.

Trump lied to you about who won the 2020 election....and you still support him anyway.

Because you are mentally ill.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Think back.

Not just something minor or trendy. Something you genuinely believed until you didn’t.

If that hasn’t happened in a long time, maybe you’ve stopped thinking. Most people don’t grow. They just settle into a political costume and call it wisdom.

They pick a side, inherit the script, memorize the heroes, and build their identity around never questioning it again, but if your views never evolve, maybe your values aren’t values; they’re habits.

If you can’t remember the last time you were wrong, then you’re probably still wrong about something right now.

May of 2020.

I had already been drifting away for a few years, but the George Floyd riots in confluence with the lockdowns/riots caused me to leave the Democrats for good, and wholly embrace MAGA.

 

[BluesLegend]

No....we are right back to me pointing out how you are a mentally ill member of the MAGA cult.

So dumber than a post, got it.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

May of 2020.

I had already been drifting away for a few years, but the George Floyd riots in confluence with the lockdowns/riots caused me to leave the Democrats for good, and wholly embrace MAGA.

Someone as racist and delusional as you was never a Democrat.

Unless you're 80 years old and used to be a Dixiecrat.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

All talk. Festus votes dont match his fat mouth.//

Fetterman simply knows which way the wind is blowing.

A year from now PA will have more registered GOP voters than Dems, and by 2028 it will be solid red like Ohio.

And with it the Dems chances of winning are dashed.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

So dumber than a post, got it.

You can't explain why you continue to support Trump after he lied to you about the 2020 election and how he wanted to Mike Pence to die.

Because you are mentally ill.

 

[Failzero]

Trump lied to you about the 2020 election.....and you still support him, anyway.

Because you are mentally ill.

Liberalism ( Social Liberalism ) is after all a mental disorder …

 

[Hollie]

Around 90% of those taken in by ICE have NO CRIMINAL RECORD.

That means 90% of their resources are going after non-criminals, and only 10% towards getting the dangerous criminals off the street.

Are we safer deporting farm workers, or murderers and rapists?

Odd that leftists whine about the means and methods of deporting the criminal illegals they imported.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Liberalism ( Social Liberalism ) is after all a mental disorder …

Poor MAGA gimp....he can't explain why he continues to support Trump after he tried to kill his own Vice President.

 

[Anomalism]

You premised this lecture on a question that has been answered over and over throughout the thread…you simply don’t like the answers you’ve been given so you press on.
You’ve made your assertions crystal clear…You believe core Americans should always be bending and compromising with the more advanced thinking, new-era, ‘progressive’ minded intellectuals…The ones with neck tattoos, nose rings and purple hair…the ones who believe gender is chosen, the ones with all the lost and confused children committing suicide and living life on depression and anxiety meds. I say F that.
Since the emergence of these new-era ‘intellectuals’ this nation has fast slid down the shitter in many ways. We are not a better nation by any metric as a result of the ‘forward thinking’ blue hair people ideologies.
Those before us handed us down a tried and true, very proven instruction manual and the further we deviate from it the further we slide down the shitter. This isn’t an opinion, the evidence is all around us.
That said, I ask, why wouldn’t you want to keep our foundational beliefs, values and moral order intact? Why would you hope to encourage those who are committed to protecting and preserving those beliefs and values to abandon them?

You keep reaching for stereotypes. Purple hair, nose rings, tattoos, because it’s easier to fight cartoons than ideas. I’m not talking about aesthetics. I’m talking about the strength of your beliefs. You say they’re solid. You say they’re proven, but every time I ask you to examine them, not abandon them, examine them, you collapse into mockery and grievance.

That’s the tell.

You say the evidence is all around us, but what you really mean is you feel threatened by change and need to dress that fear up as moral clarity. You invoke tradition like it’s a shield from responsibility, as if the values handed down are always right simply because they were handed down, but you still haven’t answered the actual question.

If someone from your own tribe did something morally wrong, and the truth contradicted the script you’ve sworn to defend, would you want to know, or would you double down and call the truth ‘progressive nonsense’?

That’s what this is really about. It’s not about tattoos. It’s not about depression rates. It’s not even about policy. It’s about whether you’re strong enough to love truth more than your story. You think you’re defending America, but what you’re really defending is a version of yourself that’s too afraid to ask what else might be true.

 

[BluesLegend]

You can't explain why you continue to support Trump after he lied to you about the 2020 election and how he wanted to Mike Pence to die.

Because you are mentally ill.

Here's your posts... and

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Here's your posts... and

I just started ignoring his miserable trolling.

Waste of time.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Here's your posts... and

I'm pointing out the ugly truths about yourself and what you believe.

And how you are mentally ill.

 

[Anomalism]

You live your life as you will and we will live ours as we will. Nobody will ever remember anyone soon enough. This world is coming to an end. We can only hope the next one is better than this one.

I offered a confrontation with moral consequences. You replied with defeatism and apathy, trying to make my efforts feel futile by dousing it with nihilism.

You say no one will remember anyone, but that’s not humility. That’s despair masquerading as wisdom. You’re not warning me about the end. You’re retreating from responsibility. You witnessed harm, called it legacy, and now that legacy has hardened into fatalism. The fact that you believe the world is ending doesn’t absolve you from what you’ve built within it. If anything, it reveals why it’s ending.

The next world doesn’t appear by accident. It is shaped, by what we preserve, what we question, and what we refuse to erase. You say you live your way and I’ll live mine, but your way redrew a family tree to remove a human being for daring to differ. That isn’t just “your way.” That’s harm given ceremony. That’s generational pain hiding behind pride. If no one will remember us, then the only thing that ever mattered was how we treated each other, and you’ve shown exactly what you do when someone asks the wrong question.

Good luck!

 

[Correll]

You say you’re extremely introspective, and maybe you are, but here’s the test...

If your self-examination always leads you back to the conclusion that you're right, that your side is righteous, that your opponents are evil, and that your beliefs never need serious revision, then that’s not introspection. That’s ego maintenance dressed as honesty.

OR, my side is the good guys and our opponents are evil. You act like that is not an option.

True self-examination costs something. It destabilizes. It disrupts your certainty. It forces you to sit in discomfort without immediately converting it into blame. You say my conclusions are incorrect, but have you asked why I’m drawing them, or did you just instinctively dismiss them because they don't fit the narrative you’re loyal to?

I dismiss them because they are based on the faulty assumption that I am an ignorant boob, barely aware of my own existance.

Introspection isn’t just about looking at yourself. It’s about being willing to see something you don’t like, and changing because of it.

Sure. But what if most of what you see is fine?